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Post by Night Owl on Mar 4, 2024 23:19:55 GMT
Thought this was an interesting video after CTMH closing and Pinkfresh pausing. I have been scrapbooking since the late 90's, at one time we had 6 scrapbook stores in our city, now they are all gone. Also none of my local friends/family are scrapbooking any more. We are doing our part promoting scrapbooking here. But I am trying to slow way down on my buying, I just can't store much more stuff. Of course I did panic buy page protectors from CTMH. I still get excited about new products and seeing people's layouts. But I sometimes think I have way too much money invested in the hobby to quit. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfW9X6FmX8
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Post by mom on Mar 4, 2024 23:32:47 GMT
I saw that video in another group I belong to. I don't know that I am giving up on SBing but I do think it's way harder to get excited about it now that so many actual SB kits are closing down. I don't want to do a travel notebook. I really don't want to do a planner either. But its slim pickings from 12x12 SB paper kits now.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 4, 2024 23:37:03 GMT
Thought this was an interesting video after CTMH closing and Pinkfresh pausing. I have been scrapbooking since the late 90's, at one time we had 6 scrapbook stores in our city, now they are all gone. Also none of my local friends/family are scrapbooking any more. We are doing our part promoting scrapbooking here. But I am trying to slow way down on my buying, I just can't store much more stuff. Of course I did panic buy page protectors from CTMH. I still get excited about new products and seeing people's layouts. But I sometimes think I have way too much money invested in the hobby to quit. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfW9X6FmX8I think these contributed to why the "golden age" is over. people will always scrapbook in one form or another but the heydey of brick and mortar stores everywhere and tons of different companies releasing tools, papers, and embellies are gone. people are maxed out on supplies and don't SB as much to chisel away at that stash. new releases aren't as exciting (to me) so i'm glad i stocked up on stuff when i did. i miss the golden days. attending CHA in large venues in Las Vegas was (for the lack of a better word) wonderous. it was a sea of companies and products. there was an excitement in the air for the new products coming out. companies were being born every day. it really was an exciting time to craft. now a lot of the great companies have gone under. i'm not in love with the releases that the existing companies have come out with so my wallet has been spared. i still craft but i'm shopping from my stash.
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 4, 2024 23:49:12 GMT
When we moved here in 2004 there were a few scrapbook stores, but since I didn't scrapbook consistently until 2008, I think I went into one of them once... I remember trying to push a stroller in the store, and hold my 8.5 by 11 scrapbook paper in the other hand.
By the time I got totally obsessed with the hobby, had a car I could drive to go shopping during the day when things were open, and a little money to spend, all the real-life stores were gone...
I have never had my own scrap room and that has definitely limited my ability to support the industry by myself...
The two people I know in real life who scrapbooked, have not done so since around 2011/2012.
People keep saying crafts go in cycles, so I'm waiting impatiently, for stores to start adding aisles again!
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Post by Night Owl on Mar 5, 2024 0:34:38 GMT
i miss the golden days. attending CHA in large venues in Las Vegas was (for the lack of a better word) wonderous. it was a sea of companies and products. YES CHA and also in the early 2000's we used to have a huge scrapbook convention downtown in my city every year. I used to read multiple scrapbook magazines. Also used to tape QVC when Lisa Bearnson was on, it was especially fun when she was on with David Venable (remember she slapped him?). My best friend, mom, and sister-in-law were scrapbookers then too so we would go to events at our local scrapbook store.
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Post by Shakti on Mar 5, 2024 1:15:08 GMT
I just watched the video. You know, we, here, now are part of the solution, right? We're virtual, but we're a strong community. We encourage and support one another.
I actually started stamping and cardmaking (or wanting to card make, at least) prior to when I made my foray into scrapbooking (which was, indeed, around 20 years ago). So I guess I've known that paper was my jam since before this so-called golden age and I'm sure it will continue as long as someone will sell me ink and card stock....
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Post by kmage on Mar 5, 2024 2:56:16 GMT
I actually started stamping and cardmaking (or wanting to card make, at least) prior to when I made my foray into scrapbooking That is so interesting that you went from cardmaking to scrapbooking because it seems like so often it is the opposite. I do feel like cardmaking is somewhat replacing scrapbooking as the main paper crafting hobby. Pinkfresh isn't closing its card and stamp division...Cathy Zielske was interviewed this past December, and she does talk about the "decline of scrapbooking" and how she transitioned from scrapbooking to cardmaking. www.twincities.com/2023/12/17/cathy-zielske-card-maker-youtube/She apparently asked not to scrapbook in her new role, as she was (and I quote) "So tired of scrapbooking for magazines." I should be so lucky!
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Post by infochick on Mar 5, 2024 3:52:56 GMT
I watched this video this weekend...it is depressing. I am very lucky to have a LSS and a close friend who loves paper as much as I do. I am also happy that I was able to work at a store while scrapbooking was still very popular so I have a generous stash of supplies to pick from. I am very much in the group that she references who do it for the pure enjoyment and creativity of it. It's good for my mental health and stress levels to be able to play with paper. I really hope that breetheflea is right and it all cycles back
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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 5, 2024 3:54:41 GMT
I also went from card making to scrapping. I was into stamping and there were 4 stamp stores within a 20 minutes drive. Then scraping got bigger and the stamp stores were gone. In no time there were 6 LSSs within that same 20 minute drive so I switched.
I think the golden age of scrapping was over a while back. Creating Keepsakes was one of the most popular magazines. They put on those huge events with multiple classes. Their annual Hall of Fame contest was a big deal but then they allowed a couple of people to bend the rules and still win. Things just spiraled downward for them. Hall of Famegate was discussed on many forums and slowly people left scrapping. Stores closed, magazines went away, companies that made scrapping supplies went out of business. and forums shut down. All that was 15-17 years ago. But here we still are.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Mar 5, 2024 6:30:51 GMT
I just watched the video.
I have no idea who the lady in the video is. Personally, I think she has a very negative view of scrapbooking industry as a whole. *She* thinks too many people overbought products in years past. *She* thinks too many products are being made and too many collections are being released. *She* thinks if scrapbookers don't gather in person, the camaraderie is lost.
I love my scrapbook product stash. I don't think I have too much. I would be happy if more products were released and more collections were made. More different type of products in a collection, means there's will something to please everyone. We as peas are still going strong after 24? 25? years. There is camaraderie, support, advice, help, caring, compassion, epic pea dramas, etc...
Scrapbooking may not be as popular as it was years ago, but those of us in it for the long haul will always have the passion for it.
Personally, I am not a follower and not influenced by anyone. I watched the video...for me, it's in one ear-out the other. I'm not going to let one negative person and their beliefs....affect me or diminish my passion for scrapbooking, or stop me from purchasing new products (as long as my finances and budget allows for it).
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 5, 2024 10:51:31 GMT
I agree with some of what Gwen said. I think she lives in Australia, so I imagine her perspective is a little different. I think it’s different depending on where you live and also your individual situation and circumstances.
Yes, scrapbooking stores are fewer than the were during the height with Archivers, multiple stores in cities etc. However, most of those stores have been closed for more than 10 years. People have found other communities, either online or local groups or retreats. There are still a number of weekend crops in New England and I belong to 2 local groups that meet every month or every other month.
I do think there are fewer people getting started scrapbooking for a number of reasons, including fewer local stores. The switch to digital photography is also a big part of that. People are not coming home from trips with rolls of film. People are sharing pictures on social media, digital scrapbooking, making photo books or just keeping pictures on their phones.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 5, 2024 14:22:22 GMT
I was also a card maker before I was a scrapbooker. Now I rarely scrapbook and mostly make cards due to time constraints and just habits, I guess. I want to get back to scrapbooking more again. I did a photo book for our anniversary Disney trip, and it’s not nearly as satisfying to look at as a scrapbook version would be.
I have done a layout here and there, so I haven’t given up scrapbooking completely.
With everything that I have collected over the years, I can keep scrapbooking and card making indefinitely, even if I spend most of every day paper crafting, and even though I don’t live near any LSS. I don’t care if my layouts are trendy, or whether I am using the latest and greatest. All that matters is if I like my layout.
However, I am always sad to see scrapbook stores and businesses close. I notice that the upcoming conventions seem to have only a third to half as many booths as they used to, and that may be an overly generous estimate, but there will always be a some who scrapbook.
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Post by Embri on Mar 5, 2024 14:46:37 GMT
I just watched the video. I have no idea who the lady in the video is. Personally, I think she has a very negative view of scrapbooking industry as a whole. "The sky is falling!" videos get gobbled up by the algorithm. The timing with CtmH's closing news is not coincidental. I would bet money that every single eyeball that YT has pegged for papercrafts/scrapbooking interested is getting that video pushed, I know I have.
As for the age being over, I don't think physical memory keeping is ever going to fully disappear. But younger folks are far more likely to snap some pics with their phone than bother printing anything out to put in a paper album unless it's a major life milestone.
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Post by kmage on Mar 5, 2024 15:26:08 GMT
I just watched the video. You know, we, here, now are part of the solution, right? We're virtual, but we're a strong community. We encourage and support one another. I actually started stamping and cardmaking (or wanting to card make, at least) prior to when I made my foray into scrapbooking (which was, indeed, around 20 years ago). So I guess I've known that paper was my jam since before this so-called golden age and I'm sure it will continue as long as someone will sell me ink and card stock.... Yes!!! I totally agree! We are part of the solution. And SBC Fest this Friday and Saturday is part of the solution! I know it is a big advertising day for scrapbook.com but honestly, kudos to them for putting it on, getting presenters and working on creating that community. I'm excited!
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Post by hoopsfn on Mar 5, 2024 15:40:14 GMT
Thanks for posting this Night Owl. I watched most of it and it was pretty negative but had a lot of truth in it. We no longer have lss here in my area and I only have 1 friend who actually sb-s, but she has cut way back. I miss so much going to a lss and their crops. I appreciate having online stores and communities but there's just something about seeing products in real life. This forum is really the only online group that I participate in and I appreciate that it is open to all sorts of sb-ers with varying tastes and opinions. We are doing our small part to keep sb-ing going.
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Post by Linda on Mar 5, 2024 15:52:56 GMT
I think much of what she said is true but I think it was ALSO true 10 years ago and the diehard papercrafters are still around. Scrapbooking isn't the trendy craft of the day the way it was 20-25 years ago at its heyday but that doesn't mean it's dying completely - I think in one form or another, it'll stick around and there will be people interested in scrapping and materials available for it - perhaps not in the quantity and variety of the past.
Honestly I LOVE the online communities and the online aspect of cropping, taking classes, finding inspiration etc...I'm an introvert and even when there were two LSSs in my small town and another in the nearby city and I was able to go to crops in person, I never found my niche, my scrappy friends - it always felt like there were little groups of friends and then there was me...the odd one out with my 8.5x11 layouts and my simple, linear style. I've found my place here at Refupeas and at SG squad on FB and in the past at Lifetime Moments.
I know I'm probably part of the problem because I'm not and never have been a big shopper - my budget doesn't allow for it, my scrapbook style doesn't use a LOT of stuff per layout, and I'm not a trendy sort of person who wants/needs the newest and greatest. I use a lot of cardstock, I buy (or DH buys for me) a lot of older supplies people are destashing, I still have (and use) a Cricut Expression...but by the same token, that means I was okay when the LSSs shut down and I'll be okay if the scrapbook industry shrinks again - I have supplies, I can make my own embellishments, and cardstock isn't going anywhere, lol. I've done the scrappy math, lol - and I'm pretty sure that if I can continue to get photo squares and cardstock and trimmer blades...I can scrap for years.
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Post by caangel on Mar 5, 2024 15:57:11 GMT
The "golden age" was over a long time ago. Scrapbooking has been in a steady decline for a long time. IMO the biggest impact (even more than digital photos) was the rise of social media and the ability to easily share photos via social media.
There's no reason for people to print photos. And even if they wanted to it is not easy to figure out where and how.
With out printed photos paper scrapbooking is unnecessary.
The reason so many people were scrapping before is they had a backlog of printed photos and didn't know what to do with them. Or they wanted to do more than just slide them in a pocket album. I don't think we will get there again with the mass appeal. But I do think that scrapbooking will always be around in some form.
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Post by Shakti on Mar 5, 2024 17:50:52 GMT
There are in fact younger people who take pictures on their phones and still do paper scrap booking. At least one. I know her. But I strongly suspect she's not really a complete unicorn
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Post by papersilly on Mar 5, 2024 18:07:32 GMT
i miss the golden days. attending CHA in large venues in Las Vegas was (for the lack of a better word) wonderous. it was a sea of companies and products. YES CHA and also in the early 2000's we used to have a huge scrapbook convention downtown in my city every year. I used to read multiple scrapbook magazines. Also used to tape QVC when Lisa Bearnson was on, it was especially fun when she was on with David Venable (remember she slapped him?). My best friend, mom, and sister-in-law were scrapbookers then too so we would go to events at our local scrapbook store. i remember attending large SB conventions at fairgrounds and convention centers. so many vendors with great stuff. now they are just way in the outskirts with far fewer vendors. i haven't been to one since it was at a large convention center. i was never into "celebs" so i couldn't tell one from another but i just enjoyed the wide availability of products. i do remember all the great magazines and loved all the inspiration they gave.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 5, 2024 18:11:01 GMT
The "golden age" was over a long time ago. Scrapbooking has been in a steady decline for a long time. IMO the biggest impact (even more than digital photos) was the rise of social media and the ability to easily share photos via social media. There's no reason for people to print photos. And even if they wanted to it is not easy to figure out where and how.
With out printed photos paper scrapbooking is unnecessary.
The reason so many people were scrapping before is they had a backlog of printed photos and didn't know what to do with them. Or they wanted to do more than just slide them in a pocket album. I don't think we will get there again with the mass appeal. But I do think that scrapbooking will always be around in some form. true true true! i haven't printed photos in over a decade if not decadeS. social media is the new scrapbooking without the massive financial outlay and need to store all that stuff.
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Post by Night Owl on Mar 5, 2024 18:40:24 GMT
Creating Keepsake Magazine's final issue was December 2013, I think that's when the scrapbook industry really started slowing down. Two Peas website closed in 2014.
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Post by judyc on Mar 5, 2024 19:44:48 GMT
I believe (as others have said) that the Golden Age of Scrapbooking was over long ago -- probably about the time that 2 Peas closed its virtual doors. But things seemed to have started downward with the housing market crash (2006) and the subsequent recession (2007-2009) -- stores closed, magazines ceased or cut way back on their issues, and people had less money for things like hobbies. But technology like digital photography and Facebook also contributed to its demise -- in my opinion (and others here have noted this as well).... as others have alluded to -- scrapbooking as a hobby became popular because people like me had boxes of disorganized photographs -- my own and my parents (do you remember that CM ad in Creating Keepsakes - the lady holding the big box of photos?) -- that I wanted to organize. We found scrapbooking and we loved it and we bought all the supplies, and yes, I'm good on supplies for the next 25 years as long as I can get adhesive and albums, but my preference would be to continue to see fresh and creative archival products on the market. I think the final missing piece in the decline of scrapbooking is just that our children and grandchildren are very technology oriented and not really into many of the hobbies that interest the Boomers. Plus, the 20 - 40 somethings may not be thinking through whether the future generations will be interested in those thousands of photos they have on their laptops, hard drives, Facebook, and cloud storage because they have shared them during their lifetime. So while I like my photos in a 12 x 12 paper album that can be viewed and passed on, they (younger generations) are already 'sharing' their photos and stories digitally in the present, not thinking about whether the photos should or will be seen by future generations.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 5, 2024 20:59:46 GMT
I agree with a lot of what she said and I think a lot of it is true and not necessarily "negative". I wouldn't say scrapbooking is "dying", I just think it's changing. Most people don't print pictures any longer, they are all digital. But how many people do you know that upload to Instagram and add a caption with a cute font or image or gif. To me that is scrapbooking but in a new form. I don't think it will ever get back to it's glory days of the early 2000's with 12x12 pages but it's not dead. I attended three or four CKU events and they was a blast. I met a couple of my best friends there. I was never much for in person crops because I HATED lugging all my stuff to crops but I really missed taking the creative classes. A couple years ago I found the virtual card making events and I cannot tell you how happy they make me. Attending classes from my craft room is pure joy. I still call myself a scrapbooker even though I haven't scrapbooked in probably 10 years. I moved to mainly cardmaking. I did/do both purely as a creative outlet. Being creative is such a stress reliever for me. I will fully admit I have enough craft supplies for everyone on this message board and I will never use all of it. But you know what, I had fun buying it, organizing it and using it. While the scrapbooking/card making side of 2peas isn't huge, I think there is a great community of crafty people here. We do our fair share of enabling and keeping the industry afloat!
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 5, 2024 21:03:50 GMT
I'm another who believed that the golden age was over at least 10-12 years ago. So many stores, sites, and crops available.
I wasn't a fan of most of the papers of CTMH or Pinkfresh, but I can sympathize with everyone who loved them. There are a lot of people on YouTube who made their money off of making videos using their product, so I can see why they are especially upset. It probably feels like their business is closing and they are all reacting.
I still have one LSS and a second hand store and would be very sad to see either of them go. Buying online isn't nearly as fun and I can see why people lessened their spending online. I went to a big box bookstore last week and they had hundreds of different magazines on display and not a single one on paper crafting. There was one about crafting spaces, but that was it.
I have an almost 30 year old kid, and he just puts his photos on a large tv screen to display. He loves his pictures, but just views them differently.
ETA: We are finally getting back a Scrapbook Expo in Denver after 3-4 years of it disappearing.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 6, 2024 18:59:48 GMT
I think it was over a long time ago. I'd like to see it to continue, but I guess I'm lazy. I don't have any desire to promote.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Mar 6, 2024 19:52:30 GMT
I think with any craft there will be ebbs and flows...scrapbooking included.
I think you could say the same for crochet/knitting...seemingly more popular now than it was 10 years ago. Also cross stitching/embroidery, I feel like this was very popular in the 90's and now again embroidery is showing up everywhere my DD age 20 is all about embroidery.
I don't think scrapbooking is going anywhere. I think it will evolve, there is more mixed media in scrapbooking for sure it seems. Junk journaling and calendar (Stop the Blur series) are becoming more popular.
Also wanted to add that although there are a lot less brick and mortar stores I think online stores are still pretty prevalent and in general for anything there is just less need to have a brick and mortar store.
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Post by infochick on Mar 6, 2024 21:09:41 GMT
I think I felt pretty demoralized until the end of the video when she talked about people who scrapbook because they love it and they enjoy the creative process. I definitely fit into this category and when I think about the hobby through this lens, it gives me hope that there will be new people who find the hobby even in this age of social media. Sometimes it's just fun to play with my photos, paper, scissors and glue! For me it doesn't need to be about anything more than that.
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Post by Ryann on Mar 7, 2024 16:43:33 GMT
I also think it was over a long time ago (10+ years) and wish I hadn't given in to the clickbait.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 7, 2024 18:07:15 GMT
I think scrapbookers are more into the craft portion than the memory keeping portion. Otherwise we would just put photos in an album or create a photo book online and call it good. Nobody needs patterned paper and die cuts to look at photos.
I have done some version of paper crafting since I was a kid. I've always attempted to keep a diary and have never been successful. What have I been successful at? Project life. It's my diary in pictures. It has been a successful combination of my love of paper and my desire to document the minutiae of my life.
I'm also a card maker. It has nothing to do with my desire to keep in contact with friends and family. That's just the happy outcome of my love of paper, scissors, and glue.
If all scrapbooking companies disappeared tomorrow, I would still be able to create. I'm a crafty person, I don't NEED specifically sb marketed supplies to sb or make cards. Before sb stores were office supply stores.
True story: my one and only attempt shop lifting (age 8) was in an office supply store. Of course I was caught, was marched up to the counter to apologize and return the items. Office supply stores are my Mecca.
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Post by Night Owl on Mar 7, 2024 20:41:49 GMT
I also think it was over a long time ago (10+ years) and wish I hadn't given in to the clickbait. I don't agree with everything in the video and she is a bit over the top, but I do like discussing scrapbooking and it's been slow here.
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