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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 11, 2024 13:32:47 GMT
In the last few weeks I have seen several comments online saying that a candidate (usually referring to Biden) has to "earn my vote" and that he "needs to start listening" to people (usually in regards to Israel). The "earn my vote" comment comes across as if the person would not vote at all if they felt that the candidate didn't deserve their vote in their mind.
I tend to see voting as a right and responsibility. You choose the candidate that aligns best with your values and stances on various issues. Yes, candidates want people to vote for them. But I don't see voting as something that only benefits the candidate. I also (hopefully) benefits me.
How do the peas see this? Have you seen similar comments and what is your take on it? Is this a new way of thinking that young people have?
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Post by guzismom on Mar 11, 2024 13:38:38 GMT
Honestly, no.
I will vote for whatever Dem is on the ticket.
I used to pay closer attetion; but the Repubs have lost all credibility at this point, so no.
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 11, 2024 13:44:37 GMT
No. They "earn" my vote by being the Democrat who's running. That's my bar... Democrat. Period.
For local elections, like our county board where everyone is a Democrat, then yes they need to tell me why I should vote for them.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 11, 2024 13:46:03 GMT
Honestly, no. I will vote for whatever Dem is on the ticket. I used to pay closer attetion; but the Repubs have lost all credibility at this point, so no. This is where I am at as well. I used to consider candidates, regardless of political party. Not anymore. I will never vote Republican.
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 11, 2024 13:46:20 GMT
I used to pay a lot more attention, and would probably qualify as a swing voter. Not anymore.
My county is 50/50 red/blue which means half the people I know voted for Trump which is extremely depressing... It makes me not want to people. My state however is solidly blue.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 11, 2024 13:47:43 GMT
I choose the candidate who best matches my views AND is a person I would like to lead- intelligent, well-spoken, compassionate, not a fascist, etc.
I have occasionally voted republican in local elections when I know the Democrat to be dishonest or a douchewaffle, but I would be hard pressed to do that with the direction the republican party has elected to go in.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 11, 2024 13:49:17 GMT
Before the MAGA group, I voted based on who aligned more with my beliefs. All but once that was a Democrat.
For local offices, I still read up and vote based on who I think is best qualified.
For federal government positions, I vote D down the line.
If we had an actual capable republican party, I would see who was best qualified and vote accordingly.
It frustrates me that we could be ruled under MAGA because people are choosing note to vote for Biden due to what is going on in Gaza.
No president will 100% ever align with your beliefs. But for them to be okay with human rights here in the US at jeopardy because they don't like that Biden isn't standing up for Palestinians is irritating. Like stop hyper focusing on the it thing and look at the bigger picture.
I often wonder how mentally draining and tiring their lives are, always angry at something.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 11, 2024 13:51:15 GMT
My city got itself into a pickle with the vote D across the board.
The D, who is current city mayor, is anything but Democrat.
So it is still important to look at who is running and make sure the D your voting for isn't a middle of the road kind of D.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 11, 2024 13:51:26 GMT
I might have said that in years past when there were two fairly reasonable, fairly normal, fairly comparable candidates to choose from. But in the USA of today, nope, nope, nope. Only one of the two main players would fit the description of reasonable or normal no matter how many whataboutisms the other side continually tries to conjure up.
And I would think for young people in particular, they are the ones who IMO have the most to lose if they donāt vote at all or of they vote for republicans anywhere on the ticket up or down ballot. In states where womenās reproductive rights have been or are being rolled back, those results will affect young men too so that alone really isnāt just a womanās rights issue.
Iām so seriously hoping we see a HUGE BLUE TIDAL WAVE come November not only for my own DD but for all young people coming up. I hope people in general are coming to understand just what a grave disservice to the American people it was to allow Trump to stack the Supreme Court with the current crop of conservatives the way he was allowed to, and the negative impact that alone will have for literal decades to come.
ETA: I seriously wish I could plant a huge VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO sign in my front yard, but because we are self employed I can understand why DH wouldnāt want that.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 11, 2024 13:56:07 GMT
I'm just happy to have a candidate I can stomach. I feel like I hold my nose when I vote now more and more of the time.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 11, 2024 14:00:52 GMT
Before the MAGA group, I voted based on who aligned more with my beliefs. All but once that was a Democrat. For local offices, I still read up and vote based on who I think is best qualified. For federal government positions, I vote D down the line. If we had an actual capable republican party, I would see who was best qualified and vote accordingly. It frustrates me that we could be ruled under MAGA because people are choosing note to vote for Biden due to what is going on in Gaza. No president will 100% ever align with your beliefs. But for them to be okay with human rights here in the US at jeopardy because they don't like that Biden isn't standing up for Palestinians is irritating. Like stop hyper focusing on the it thing and look at the bigger picture. I often wonder how mentally draining and tiring their lives are, always angry at something. This is where I am as well. I donāt necessarily see choosing the person who aligns with my beliefs as then āearning my voteā. They are putting themselves out there and I choose who I think is best. Thatās not the vibe I get from the comments I see but maybe Iām misinterpreting that. As for people saying that āgenocide is a red lineā for why they wonāt vote for Bidenā¦I think it is really short sighted. It would make more sense if there was a chance Trump would handle this more to their liking but he wonāt. So who exactly is the choice to vote for Trump or a third party actually helping and hurting? Itās so frustrating and I do think there is a strong possibility of Trump winning because of that. Netanyahu is going to take the US down with him.
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Post by 3boysnme on Mar 11, 2024 14:08:04 GMT
Normally yes. They need to have solid ideas to help this country and it's citizens. This election though? Just don't be trump or his insane followers.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 11, 2024 14:11:50 GMT
No. They "earn" my vote by being the Democrat who's running. That's my bar... Democrat. Period. For local elections, like our county board where everyone is a Democrat, then yes they need to tell me why I should vote for them. I agree but my only caveat is if they were a life long republican, endorsed and supported the republican ways, then all of a sudden run as a democrat. My example would be Rick Caruso who ran for Mayor of Los Angeles last year. I truly believe he only ran to get into office to benefit his personal businesses which have to do with creating new commercial buildings. He thought he could switch to being a democrat and scoop up all the republican vote and siphon a lot of the democrat vote. I was surprised at the true blue democrats who supported him. In the end, it didn't work.
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 11, 2024 14:12:50 GMT
My city got itself into a pickle with the vote D across the board. The D, who is current city mayor, is anything but Democrat. So it is still important to look at who is running and make sure the D your voting for isn't a middle of the road kind of D. We once had a guy who was running for our county board as an Independent, in an effort to get on the all-Democratic board. He must have though we were all stupid, lol. Any quick investigation into his past showed his Republican side. He was not elected. -- Thankfully we haven't had any Democrats like what you got stuck with.
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Post by lisae on Mar 11, 2024 14:48:20 GMT
I am going to vote. It always comes down as a choice between two. Usually one is far more desirable or one so bad that the choice is easy. The last time I found the choice difficult was 2000. There were things I liked and disliked about both candidates. It was something one candidate did that I disliked in the debates that helped me make the decision.
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Post by Merge on Mar 11, 2024 15:08:41 GMT
My city got itself into a pickle with the vote D across the board. The D, who is current city mayor, is anything but Democrat. So it is still important to look at who is running and make sure the D your voting for isn't a middle of the road kind of D. Thatās why primaries are so important. Our new mayor - my previous state senator - is one of those not really a Democrat guys. Canāt remove him from the mayorās office now but hoping to replace him in the state senate with someone more progressive. Same with my state rep, who is a D who voted with Abott on some important anti-trans and book banning legislation. Weāre trying to primary her out as well. AND itās why I dislike our national primary system so much. Most of the country doesnāt really get to vote in a primary. Itās all decided for us by the time SC is over. On another note, we turned Harris county blue in 2018 with straight ticket Democratic voting. Several longtime R judges and down ballot folks lost their seats. So of course state republicans outlawed straight ticket voting. No matter - Harris County remains blue. Beto did that, if nothing else. Tl;dr - Democrats in contested primaries have to earn my votes. Otherwise, no. It will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a member of what used to be the Republican party and is now a Christo-fascist cult.
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Post by scrapngranny on Mar 11, 2024 16:29:50 GMT
A candidate I will vote will win or lose my vote. A candidate that has been convicted of raping a woman, lost my vote. How do wine tell out daughters this is okay?
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Post by peano on Mar 11, 2024 17:33:51 GMT
Not in the 2024 presidential election.
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Post by kmcginn on Mar 11, 2024 18:03:20 GMT
This is me too. I never voted strictly party - either one - but looked at what the candidate stands for. But the Republicans have lost their minds, so now I'll vote D all the way. At least in federal elections. For state and local I still vote person not party.
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Post by purplebee on Mar 11, 2024 19:49:43 GMT
Like many on this thread, I used to consider all candidates, and would vote for the one that I felt would do the best job in the position they were running for regardless of party. Now? Nope. Solid D up and down the ballot.
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Post by ntsf on Mar 11, 2024 20:39:51 GMT
the only ones I really study now is the local city/county races.. school board, state propositions, local propositions, supervisor, and so on.
I don't think I have ever voted for a republican
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 11, 2024 20:47:19 GMT
dishonest or a douchewaffle That last word cracks me up. It frustrates me that we could be ruled under MAGA because people are choosing note to vote for Biden due to what is going on in Gaza. Me, too. Biden has no control over the leader of another country, so it's unfair to punish him for that guy's actions.
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Post by smasonnc on Mar 11, 2024 22:56:46 GMT
Not anymore. As a woman, voting Republican is no longer an option.
It's been a long time since any candidate attempted to earn my vote. They just want to tell us all what's the matter with their opponents. That's why we get the nut jobs we're getting. What normal person would subject themselves and their families to that?
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Post by shescrafty on Mar 11, 2024 22:58:51 GMT
Honestly, no. I will vote for whatever Dem is on the ticket. I used to pay closer attetion; but the Repubs have lost all credibility at this point, so no. This is šÆ % me. I trust absolutely zero republicans since I saw how they caved under Trump. The few that dared to stand up to him were so outnumbered that they were powerless.
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Post by Merge on Mar 11, 2024 23:12:22 GMT
In case anyone was thinking the GOP was still salvageable:
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Post by edie3 on Mar 11, 2024 23:54:32 GMT
As a woman, voting Republican is no longer an option. I really want to ask women I know who are voting Republican, why? What part of being a rapist is okay with you? Among his other "issues".
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Post by dewryce on Mar 12, 2024 0:10:59 GMT
These days, with what the entire GOP has done or allowed to happen under their watch, if they have a āDā they get my vote. And in the circumstances I see/hear comments like that itās almost always someone who would likely vote GOP anyway, but are embarrassed because they know what all they would be supporting if they did so now and how that reflects on them.
I used to not vote if I didnāt have time to research each of the candidates because I felt that responsibility very strongly and that I hadnāt earned the right to vote, didnāt deserve to vote if I hadnāt done my duty. So sometimes I would only vote for the main positions and sometimes not at all.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 12, 2024 0:23:47 GMT
Not any more. I have voted for Republicans in the past, but I canāt imagine doing that again in the foreseeable future.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 12, 2024 0:25:57 GMT
I used to pay a lot more attention, and would probably qualify as a swing voter. Not anymore. My county is 50/50 red/blue which means half the people I know voted for Trump which is extremely depressing... It makes me not want to people. My state however is solidly blue. Mine is 84% red, down a whopping two percent from 2016. So, only 2% of my county saw what Trump did and what the GOP allowed/enabled to happen and thought āthat's not okay with me.ā Iām with you, it makes me not want to people.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 12, 2024 0:28:53 GMT
I saw someone make an analogy I found helpful as a very left person who generally has realistic options that are more centrist in federal elections and for many statewide offices. Think of candidates as subway lines. You want to go to a particular location. You can choose candidate A, which gets you to a point seven blocks from your location. Or you can choose candidate B, who drops you two miles away. You're walking in both cases, but how far you have to walk is meaningful.
I don't think of national and statewide candidates as having to earn my vote. They are balancing a lot. I do think local candidates should be doing more direct, personal constituent service, and, eg, I voted against an incumbent in an election last cycle because I'd been in touch with them about an issue that was important to me and I was unimpressed with both the substance and tone of how they handled it, but I did vote for a challenger with similar stated politics.
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