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Post by katlady on Mar 29, 2024 17:56:28 GMT
Lot of threads about tipping lately. Let's just hash it all out here.
Are you in favor, do you thing we have gone overboard, do you tip for service or tip to supplement income, do you tip at all?
I consider myself a generous tipper. I tip for service. I don't tip to supplement income. In California, everyone is paid a minimum wage (or they should be getting minimum wage), so the concept that wait staff is paid $2/hour is foreign to me. I didn't even know that in some states the wait staff was paid such a low hourly wage and the tips were supposed to make up for that. So tipping has always been about the service to me. I do tip at restaurants, salons, hotels, luggage porters, valets, taxi/uber, etc. I don't tip at fast food. I think the tipping at fast food is out of hand. I did tip more generously during Covid times, and I feel like that is when all this excess tipping started to grow. I do notice that out here, lot of fast food place do not have tip jars, although there is a tip line when you use a credit card.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 29, 2024 18:08:03 GMT
I am a traditional tipper. I will tip for *good* service at places that have traditionally gotten tips.
I feel asking for tips is expanding rapidly to places people have never tipped before - fast food, stores, self service, concession stands.
I will tip at sit down restaurants. I will leave a good tip for good service. I will not feel bad about leaving a bad tip or no tip for less than good service.
I enjoy going to the same restaurants over and over where we get good service because the staff knows us and our preferences. We tip VERY well because we know it enhances our repeated experiences. I’m very big on going out to eat is an experience and I want things done a certain way (drinks not being empty, getting things at the right time, not having to ask for things repeatedly).
I will not tip at drive thrus, fast food, concession stands, counter service, or to go orders. If you have a drive thru, you are fast food and I’m not tipping (looking at you, Starbucks).
I tip for personal services like massages, pedicures, and hair cuts. The amount I tip again depends on how good the service is and if it’s someone I go back to over and over where a good tip will enhance future services.
I tip taxi drivers a dollar or two but don’t feel compelled to do 20% unless they helped me with luggage or something like that.
I don’t use food delivery services. I don’t tip hotel housekeeping.
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Post by mom on Mar 29, 2024 18:28:18 GMT
Yes I think tipping is becoming excessive.
I tip for: - great service at a sit down resteraunt - valet so my car is safe -services like massages, hair stylist, nails -housekeeps at a nice hotel that go above and beyond of just taking the trash out -bartenders who I order at a bar -taxis, Ubers, etc
Just this morning I went to get a car wash -- I am a monthly member and it's a drive through car wash, so no one actually touches my car. When you pull up to the drive through, you put you member number in and an electronic arm rises and you just drive through. Today, after I entered my member number, it asked if I would like to tip 15, 20, or 30%. WTF. Yes, there are workers in the booth thing, overlooking the members as they enter their member number. But they aren't doing anything to *help* me. So no. No tip for them and it irritates me so much that they have started asking.
I dont have a housekeeper for my home currently, but I do have weekly landscaping crews that come. I only tip them at Christmas.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 29, 2024 18:29:17 GMT
I tip for a haircut a flat $5.
I tip pizza delivery driver 20% because I don't have to go get my food.
I tip grocery store drop off driver 20% because again, I don't have to go get it. Came in handy when we all had Covid.
I always tip 20% of the bill at a restaurant, no matter how low key it is. They are bringing me my food. And clearing it up and getting me things, checking on me, etc.
I have never tipped house keeping. And now when dh goes on business trips, you have to request the service.
I have tipped valet a flat $5 at pick up only. And at the various hospitals, tipping isn't allowed and it is free due to disabled placard for kids.
I don't tip at any drive thru or when I pick up a to go order. Like really?! You are now being paid $20 an hour. That is $3 more an hour than starting for Para in my kids district. And they do a lot, especially in the SDC classes!!!
The US has a tipping culture problem.
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Post by gar on Mar 29, 2024 18:45:33 GMT
I’m thankful I live in the UK and don’t have to worry about it like you guys do!
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Post by katlady on Mar 29, 2024 18:53:15 GMT
I’m thankful I live in the UK and don’t have to worry about it like you guys do! When I travel somewhere that tipping is not the norm, I feel funny not leaving a tip. But, I quickly get over it in a day or two. 😂
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 29, 2024 19:09:54 GMT
I live in California. I think tipping is stupid here, we don't have the type of employment environment that tipping culture evolved from. While I tip for all of the traditional, expected services I see tips creeping around places that they never used to be expected at and I don't feel bad about not handing them out at those places.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 29, 2024 19:18:43 GMT
Yes I think tips have become excessive. Yes I tip generously. I tip for things like: Room service housekeeping Sit down restaurants Valet Curbside baggage handlers at airport Tour guides that provide excellent commentary on tours Hair stylist Uber drivers Food/grocery delivery
Generally I do not tip for fast food. I say generally because I do tip at my local bagel place. They know me there, have my order ready to go. I tip $1. But I do not tip at other fast food places. And I don't like that alot of the fast food places are starting to add a tip line. It started with COVID and I definitely tipped during lockdown. But I will not tip fastfood now.
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 29, 2024 19:40:49 GMT
I tip at sit down restaurants (even though they make at least minimum wage in Washington which is $15/hr I don't need anyone spitting in my food), for haircuts, and hotels (not that it's expected, but it's a gross job.)
I don't tip at fast food restaurants, the bowling alley for the person handing me my shoes, or any sort of job where the person doesn't leave the counter to hand me something.
I don't use valets, have food delivered, or use taxis/Uber.
Yes, tipping is stupid.
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Post by sueg on Mar 29, 2024 19:42:18 GMT
I’m thankful I live in the UK and don’t have to worry about it like you guys do! Except substitute Germany for UK. I tip at sit down restaurants, but I don’t bother calculating a percentage - I round up by a euro or two. I don’t tip at my hair or nail salon and I give my cleaner a bit extra on the last cleaning day before Christmas. It is rare that I use a taxi or Uber, or get delivery of food, so I haven’t even thought of that. Taxi, I’d probably round up a bit, like I do with restaurants.
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Post by gar on Mar 29, 2024 19:45:07 GMT
I’m thankful I live in the UK and don’t have to worry about it like you guys do! Except substitute Germany for UK. I tip at sit down restaurants, but I don’t bother calculating a percentage - I round up by a euro or two. I don’t tip at my hair or nail salon and I give my cleaner a bit extra on the last cleaning day before Christmas. It is rare that I use a taxi or Uber, or get delivery of food, so I haven’t even thought of that. Taxi, I’d probably round up a bit, like I do with restaurants. I give my hairdresser £5 each time - I know she’ll make space for me if I need it anytime and if I go to the beauty salon I’ll give my therapist something too but the idea of having to tip every delivery driver and all the other things that get mentioned here seems crazy to me.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Mar 29, 2024 19:48:25 GMT
I tip where I am supposed to and I generally tip pretty well, but I would be more than happy for restaurants to raise prices by 18-20% along with removing the tip lines from the credit card slips, provided that amount would go to the staff..
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Post by busy on Mar 29, 2024 20:06:57 GMT
Lot of threads about tipping lately. Let's just hash it all out here. Are you in favor, do you thing we have gone overboard, do you tip for service or tip to supplement income, do you tip at all? I consider myself a generous tipper. I tip for service. I don't tip to supplement income. In California, everyone is paid a minimum wage (or they should be getting minimum wage), so the concept that wait staff is paid $2/hour is foreign to me. I didn't even know that in some states the wait staff was paid such a low hourly wage and the tips were supposed to make up for that. So tipping has always been about the service to me. I do tip at restaurants, salons, hotels, luggage porters, valets, taxi/uber, etc. I don't tip at fast food. I think the tipping at fast food is out of hand. I did tip more generously during Covid times, and I feel like that is when all this excess tipping started to grow. I do notice that out here, lot of fast food place do not have tip jars, although there is a tip line when you use a credit card. I would prefer everyone get paid a living wage - which minimum wage is not - and dispense with tipping. But that’s not reality in the US and won’t be in the foreseeable future. My personal choice is to tip generously and widely. I tip pretty much anyone who’s providing me a service and at all food service establishments. What they are doing makes my life easier/better in some ways, so I tip. People in those jobs often get treated poorly and I’m happy to be able to show them a little appreciation to offset that a bit. The broader tipping is totally an individual choice and I completely understand why a lot of people don’t do it. What I don’t understand and frankly think is rude, is when people don’t tip in traditional tip situations because they’re “tired of tipping.” Sit down restaurants, hair salons - tipping is expected unless there is a service fiasco. If you can’t or won’t, don’t patronize businesses where tipping is the established norm.
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Post by Merge on Mar 29, 2024 20:16:03 GMT
Lot of threads about tipping lately. Let's just hash it all out here. Are you in favor, do you thing we have gone overboard, do you tip for service or tip to supplement income, do you tip at all? I consider myself a generous tipper. I tip for service. I don't tip to supplement income. In California, everyone is paid a minimum wage (or they should be getting minimum wage), so the concept that wait staff is paid $2/hour is foreign to me. I didn't even know that in some states the wait staff was paid such a low hourly wage and the tips were supposed to make up for that. So tipping has always been about the service to me. I do tip at restaurants, salons, hotels, luggage porters, valets, taxi/uber, etc. I don't tip at fast food. I think the tipping at fast food is out of hand. I did tip more generously during Covid times, and I feel like that is when all this excess tipping started to grow. I do notice that out here, lot of fast food place do not have tip jars, although there is a tip line when you use a credit card. I would prefer everyone get paid a living wage - which minimum wage is not - and dispense with tipping. But that’s not reality in the US and won’t be in the foreseeable future. My personal choice is to tip generously and widely. I tip pretty much anyone who’s providing me a service and at all food service establishments. What they are doing makes my life easier/better in some ways, so I tip. People in those jobs often get treated poorly and I’m happy to be able to show them a little appreciation to offset that a bit. The broader tipping is totally an individual choice and I completely understand why a lot of people don’t do it. What I don’t understand and frankly think is rude, is when people don’t tip in traditional tip situations because they’re “tired of tipping.” Sit down restaurants, hair salons - tipping is expected unless there is a service fiasco. If you can’t or won’t, don’t patronize businesses where tipping is the established norm. I agree with all of this.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 29, 2024 20:40:33 GMT
Tipping is getting stupid. It might backfire sooner or later and no one will get good tips because we are broke tipping every person out there.
- Sit down restaurants - depending on service. - Hairdresser - Pizza/food delivery - I don't normally use valets or uber/taxi but would tip - Curbside luggage at airport (skycaps)
Starbucks only if I am paying in cash and it is change back, I'll throw it in the bucket thing. Otherwise I usually pay with my app and no tip Places like Qdoba, Chipotle, Crumbl I feel like I shouldn't have to tip but I will leave a little bit.
If I get bad service no tip, sorry. If it is beyond the server doing, I don't punish that person. I will leave extra with very good service. One year on Mother's Day, my kids took me out to Macaroni Grill. We had the BEST waiter I have ever had in my life. Including very upscale places. He was ON POINT. My kids paid for the meal and left a great tip and I paid him out of my pocket another $20. I think he almost had a 60% tip. I even did the mom thing and told the manager how good our service was.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 29, 2024 20:42:08 GMT
I am a traditional tipper. I will tip for *good* service at places that have traditionally gotten tips. I feel asking for tips is expanding rapidly to places people have never tipped before - fast food, stores, self service, concession stands. I will tip at sit down restaurants. I will leave a good tip for good service. I will not feel bad about leaving a bad tip or no tip for less than good service. I enjoy going to the same restaurants over and over where we get good service because the staff knows us and our preferences. We tip VERY well because we know it enhances our repeated experiences. I’m very big on going out to eat is an experience and I want things done a certain way (drinks not being empty, getting things at the right time, not having to ask for things repeatedly). I will not tip at drive thrus, fast food, concession stands, counter service, or to go orders. If you have a drive thru, you are fast food and I’m not tipping (looking at you, Starbucks). *and you panera!I tip for personal services like massages, pedicures, and hair cuts. The amount I tip again depends on how good the service is and if it’s someone I go back to over and over where a good tip will enhance future services. I tip taxi drivers a dollar or two but don’t feel compelled to do 20% unless they helped me with luggage or something like that. I don’t use food delivery services. I don’t tip hotel housekeeping. I didn't realize I was supposed to until the thread the other day. I thought it was part of the (which I think are already pricey) room rate.
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Post by katlady on Mar 29, 2024 20:48:35 GMT
If you have a drive thru, you are fast food and I’m not tipping (looking at you, Starbucks). *and you panera!I know Panera's operate differently all over the US, but pre-covid we did not tip at Panera. The Paneras in our area would bring your food to your table, and on the number placard they give you it said "No tipping please." They even took away the dishes and cleaned the tables afterward. It all changed after Covid. The closest one to me will sometimes bring the food to your table, or they call your number. They accept tips now too. I haven't been in awhile, but I heard they also make you use the kiosks if you use a credit card. Yup, Panera out here has changed, and it is not all good.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 29, 2024 20:59:34 GMT
The US has a tipping culture problem. THIS! I loathe tipping. It's the grift that just keeps on grifting.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 29, 2024 21:07:53 GMT
The only people I know who like tipping are people who enjoy the sense of control they feel with it. And I don’t know many of those people.
Social customs change over time and if a service becomes generally a tip service, that’s the way it goes. We should do a better job of ensuring that all workers can afford rent, food, and health care, but here we are instead.
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Post by lisae on Mar 29, 2024 21:13:46 GMT
I tip to supplement income. The thing that bugs me most about tipping is why some professions - hairstylists, estheticians, valets, maids - get a tip and others - home health care workers, nursing home staff, fast food workers - do not, despite being paid minimum wage and often having poor working conditions and lousy hours. Until just a few years ago, I only tipped for sit down service in a restaurant. I didn't even know there was such a thing as tipping a hairstylist until I was probably in my 30's. Around the same time I found out that if the stylist owns their salon and sets the prices, tipping is optional. For most of my life, my stylists were in that category. One of them was a customer of mine for many years (in a business where you typically don't tip) and she never tipped me either despite my often going to her home very early or on Saturday's to work around her work schedule. I never really expected a tip. I quoted a price for my products and services and she paid what was quoted. Why should getting my hair cut be any different?
During the pandemic, I changed hairstylists, now having a young woman who works for someone else (where they set the prices) but probably still has to buy her own health insurance. I eventually resumed getting massages and occasionally facials. With the rise in prices for everything, I was able to and felt it appropriate to tip for these services. In most cases, I think the people I am seeing are probably just earning a portion of what is paid to the business where they work and do not have benefits. If my tip can help them out, then I provide it.
I've never had a housekeeper but if I did, I would make it clear that they need to set the price they expect to receive just as I did when I was in business.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 29, 2024 21:25:25 GMT
I tip for jobs that do not earn minimum wage always. Even when service isn't perfect as long as I can tell someone is trying.
I tip for a personal service to my body.
I tip at Sonic when they have to bring it out to my vehicle.
I tip when someone drives me somewhere safely.
I tipped the veteran who drove us to our vehicle from the airport and grabbed my luggage and didn't want me to carry it down the stairs.
I tip when we go out of the US and a majority of the people working rely on tips.
I will tip for excursions where someone is clearly working hard to make me happy or comfortable. For me, on vacation, I do tip more than when I am at home doing my thing.
I was running around getting Easter basket items today and there were several tip jars that I happily walked past and several credit card statements that asked if I wanted to tip. No to them. If you are working in an air-conditioned/heated building earning at least minimum wage and are just doing your job, then no, I usually do not tip.
I think tipping has gotten out of control, but I don't let it bother me. I just don't do it if I don't want to.
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Post by heckofagal on Mar 29, 2024 22:15:56 GMT
I think I am a pretty good tipper. When your kids have worked in the service industry you pay more attention to stuff like that. I didn't mind tipping for curbside during the pandemic because I wanted to support our local restaurants. I started to think it wasn't really necessary to tip for a pick up order after the pandemic, but my DD pointed out that normally a server is pulled to do pick ups all night and they make servers wages and rely on tips from pick up orders. But I recently placed a large PICK UP catering order for my father-in-law's celebration of life gathering and I was told there would be an 18% gratuity added. So I'm buying over $400 worth of food from you, that you don't have to serve, don't deliver, don't even provide the disposable chaffing dishes...and you're going to charge me another $75 for your service? That's not right. I agreed with the gratuity when we had my daughter's grad party in their party room and they set up the food for us, provided dishes to use and we had a server waiting on us all night, and we tipped her extra for her lovely service. Thanks for rewarding a returning customer like that!
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Post by westiemom on Mar 30, 2024 0:10:02 GMT
Please read to the end before you judge me.
I tip ONLY in sit down restaurants. I never tip for carry out. I do not tip housekeepers in hotels. I no longer tip for a drink in a bar. I do not think I have to tip to supplement someones income.
I was a Registered Nurse for 38 years and retired four years ago. I worked hard and paid all my own licensing and continuing education. I made well over the minimum wage but I did not get rich. My work was rewarding but I did some pretty "miserable" things and many of those things involved some very "personal" contact with people. I have been hit, kicked, spit on, vomited on, cussed at, physically hurt, and had virtually every body excrement on me. No one tips. Years ago, patients or their family would sometimes leave a box of Russell Stover candy or something similar but not often.
A year before I retired, one of my friends let it slip how much she made the night before as a bartender at a local function. She made more money in a five hour shift than I had made in my ten hour shift the day before. ALL her money was cash and she was proud that she claimed none of it for tax purposes. She also was getting a giant ACA subsidy because her income was "so low." This was the end of my tipping bartenders.
Two years ago, my hairdresser bought a condo in an area where I could not afford to look. I told her (while she was charging me $60 for a haircut that took no longer than 15 minutes) that I loved that area but it was a little higher priced than I could swing. She proudly told me that COVID literally doubled her tips and now she could afford a better place. I tipped that day but never did again. I recently found another hairdresser but I won't ever tip again.
I rarely go to a hotel but the last time I did there was no housekeeping service at all. We were told to call if we needed anything. After two nights, we were out of towels. I called and was told if I wanted towels I would need to come to the desk and get them. Somehow, they found my room overnight when we were checking out the next morning. An envelope was slipped under our door for our "service gratuity" I took the envelope with me and left nothing.
Tipping is completely out of control and I suspect more people than me are frustrated with this guilt tipping culture.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 30, 2024 0:21:12 GMT
And to answer another question in the OP -
I do not tip to supplement anyone’s income.
I only tip for service I get and my opinion of that service.
I do not care if someone “relies” on tips.
I do not care if someone got pulled from their section to pack my to go order.
I do not care who makes servers wages and who makes minimum wage, etc.
None of that is my business.
I never feel obligated to tip.
It doesn’t make me feel good to tip. It also doesn’t make me feel bad to not tip.
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 30, 2024 0:36:41 GMT
Yes I think that tipping in the US is excessive and ridiculous. But.... not my circus, not my monkeys money. One thing I'm curious about..... How much are y'all paying for things like haircuts and massages? Because I pay $220 for my bi-monthly hair cut and colour, and a massage would cost around $80 for a one hour massage. That's way more than enough as far as I am concerned. It's a hell of a lot more than I am paid per hour! Maybe I'm only thinking about it in terms of supplementing their salary? So, if I think about tipping for good service, I guess my "tip" for good service is that they will get my repeat business. I have been going to the same hairdresser for close to 30 years. I have never once tipped her. In fact, there have been a couple of times that she has "tipped" me (in the form of a discount). Sometimes we may leave a small tip at a restaurant. Usually it's just a round up to the nearest $10. So if the meal comes to $124, we might round it up to $130. But that's the exception rather than the rule.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 30, 2024 0:43:38 GMT
Yes I think that tipping in the US is excessive and ridiculous. But.... not my circus, not my monkeys money. One thing I'm curious about..... How much are y'all paying for things like haircuts and massages? Because I pay $220 for my bi-monthly hair cut and colour, and a massage would cost around $80 for a one hour massage. That's way more than enough as far as I am concerned. It's a hell of a lot more than I am paid per hour! Maybe I'm only thinking about it in terms of supplementing their salary? So, if I think about tipping for good service, I guess my "tip" for good service is that they will get my repeat business. I have been going to the same hairdresser for close to 30 years. I have never once tipped her. In fact, there have been a couple of times that she has "tipped" me (in the form of a discount). Sometimes we may leave a small tip at a restaurant. Usually it's just a round up to the nearest $10. So if the meal comes to $124, we might round it up to $130. But that's the exception rather than the rule. I don’t think if you pay $220 for a haircut any stylist is making $220 from it. But I am also guessing that because you don’t have a tipping culture the price is set at what the salon/stylist expects you to pay. A funny (I guess) thing is that my mother is literally the worst tipper I have ever met and she was a hair stylist who said she really relied on the tips.
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 30, 2024 0:45:03 GMT
I don’t think if you pay $220 for a haircut any stylist is making $220 from it. Of course. I actually meant to put that disclaimer in my post. There are products and overheads for her to pay (she is the business owner). But still. Even if she's only getting half that, it's still a decent hourly rate. I have a friend whose hairdresser work from her own house, so her overheads are a lot less. My friend pays a bit less than I do, but it's still in the vicinity of $170.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 30, 2024 0:47:58 GMT
I don’t think if you pay $220 for a haircut any stylist is making $220 from it. But I am also guessing that because you don’t have a tipping culture the price is set at what the salon/stylist expects you to pay. Of course. I meant to put that disclaimer in my post. You’ve always seemed sensible so I imagined it was a misstatement, but I meet a lot of people who seem to think that the money they pay service providers somehow goes straight in their pockets.
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 30, 2024 0:54:05 GMT
Of course. I meant to put that disclaimer in my post. You’ve always seemed sensible so I imagined it was a misstatement, but I meet a lot of people who seem to think that the money they pay service providers somehow goes straight in their pockets. Oooops, I hit post too soon on my previous post! I have added the rest of what I wanted to say.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 30, 2024 1:15:57 GMT
We’re pretty traditional tippers.
- sit down restaurants, bartenders - high school or college kids working at places like the mom & pop ice cream place or the indy boba drink place my kid likes to go to - hair salon - tour guides when we’re on vacation - valet, hotel bellboy, housekeeping (if they do it, usually we put up the sign on the door though) - cruise room steward and wait staff team - taxi / Uber - dog groomer - DH has tipped the tree service people if they didn’t leave a huge mess after taking down a tree - trash guy, mail lady, UPS guy at Christmas Oh, and I do tip $5 in the community tip jar at the car wash because there is a team of kids who run around and towel dry the car by hand and they wash all the windows on the inside after it goes through the automatic wash.
We don’t have house cleaners, get manicures or massages, get grocery, Door Dash or other deliveries like that. We generally don’t tip for fast food or counter service other than previously noted. I too think it’s kind of out of control but there are still people here who make a pittance per hour in actual wages so until that’s changed we’ll tip those workers pretty generously.
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