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Post by woodysbetty on Mar 30, 2024 20:15:22 GMT
Wow ,it's been a long time since I was active. Mostly health issues have kept me doing more than lurk. Finally feeling well enough to get back out there, but one of things I need to do is replace my MAC. I really love my apple computer but I think they are getting crazy expensive and they need replacing about 5 years, so i am considering a switch back to a windows based computer. Has anyone done this, and do you have recommendations for which brand (Dell, HP, etc...). If you made the switch do you regret it, or if you didn't why not. This should make you chuckle but the first thing my DH said when I threw out switching was why, and what do the peas think...that cracked me up! TIA! Its good to be back! Just wanted to thanks everyone....going to stick with a MAC. Tha ks do much your help!
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Post by jediannie on Mar 30, 2024 20:23:13 GMT
I really love my apple computer but I think they are getting crazy expensive and they need replacing about 5 years As an IT professional, I disagree with this. Macs are very solid machines, we used them at my until they were no longer supported and hardly ever had issues with them. Are you having problems with your Mac? For reference, I finally upgraded my 2012 Macbook Pro last year (11 years strong) and the main reason I had to upgrade was because I couldn't upgrade the OS anymore. That all being said, I would still stick with a Mac because they are solid machines. You can get used Macs for significantly less if you don't want to buy the most recent release. ETA: they are very expensive, that is for sure!
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Post by Linda on Mar 30, 2024 20:29:03 GMT
no advise on the computer as the last time I used an Apple computer was 5th grade and that was a long long time ago (an Apple II if irc) but welcome back!
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Post by kitbop on Mar 30, 2024 20:40:35 GMT
Hi woodysbetty - welcome back, and hoping your health continues to improve! I'm someone who has only gone Apple once - it was a desktop model, and it did NOT live up to it's price tag for us because we only got 4 years out of it before it was too obsolete for what we wanted power/RAM wise and we always felt like we were arguing with it! That was 20 years ago, but since then we've had good luck with ASUS laptops. Our current laptop is 4 years old and still doing well for everything except the newest graphics intensive games. DS's ASUS is a gaming laptop, still doing well at 6 years old, but will likely need replacing in the next year for video card reasons. Because we like updated and high end performance in our laptops we'll probably stick with Windows-based machines since they are less expensive so we don't feel as bad about updating every 5 years. DH wants to get a desktop again next time. When I was researching a laptop for my Mom, the Lenovo brand (IBM) was still well regarded. We did buy ACER for the kids 2 years ago, and they've been surprisingly good thus far. They were a really good price at costco.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 30, 2024 20:50:43 GMT
I am all in on Mac products. I hate using my work computer that is a cheaper laptop. My last Mac lasted 11 years. This one is one year four. No issues whatsoever. No hacking. If I get a warning about a virus, I can just log out of Wifi and reboot and it is fine. Love the apple support as well.
I have a lot of craft stuff that is also on this Mac and it makes it pretty easy and fast to use.
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Post by jediannie on Mar 30, 2024 21:20:00 GMT
it was a desktop model, and it did NOT live up to it's price tag for us because we only got 4 years out of it before it was too obsolete for what we wanted power/RAM wise and we always felt like we were arguing with it! That was 20 years ago, What were you doing on the Mac? Video editing? Gaming? I'm trying to understand. 20 years ago those machines were pretty solid so I'm very confused what you were trying to do. If you were trying to make it into a server they are definitely not built for that.
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 30, 2024 23:33:30 GMT
I bought my first Mac product (MacBook Pro) in 2019, and I bought a new one* in 2023. I am not in love with Mac, and if I wasn't so tied into Apple products with my iPhone and Apple Watch, I would go back to a Windows based laptop. There are a lot of things that I prefer about Windows, and a few things I prefer about Mac. I have never had any issues with my work laptops, which have all been Windows based, and they are quite a bit cheaper.
*I had to replace my first MacBook because I dropped something on it and the screen was wrecked - not smashed, it just wouldn't work. I paid $800 to get it fixed, but it only lasted another year or two then died completely. Also, most of the letters on the keys had worn off after a couple of years. I expected better than that from a $2500 machine.
Now if you were to ask my aunty..... "Once you go Mac, you never go back!" She even bought the t-shirt with the quote haha! And she is a web designer, so she uses her iMac and MacBook every day.
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Post by mom on Mar 31, 2024 1:58:39 GMT
I will only use Mac, and I don't replace mine every 5 years. My laptop is 10 years old and my desktop iMac is new but only because I gave my older 6 year old iMac to my son for his house.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 31, 2024 2:22:00 GMT
I detest Apple products. Mainly because they can't be cross compatible and you have to use all their stuff. That can also limit you on programs you use.
I have a Lenovo from Costco and love it. It is about 5 or 6 years old and still running like new.
Even dh, whose district is 90% Apple products prefers Window's. And he worked with IT for his district.
A family member who also was in IT recommends Lenovo and Acer.
Dd has an Acer laptop and dang is it nice.
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Post by Embri on Mar 31, 2024 8:18:10 GMT
Now's a very good time to pick up a discounted M1 or M2 Mac with the M3's having recently come out. If you're not a power user there's no real difference between the M-chipsets other than a hefty price. All the desktop Macs I've had lasted for 8+ years. Generally a desktop Mac is going to be usable a lot longer than a desktop windows machine. Windows machines can be upgraded or rebuilt, and have more software options outside of the graphic design/art spheres. A Mac you pretty much have to buy specc'd out as you want from the get-go.
If you have an OS preference for one over the other, just go with that. The amount of time it takes to become proficient in a new workspace isn't worth the effort unless you need to dual-wield Mac/Win/Linux for compatibility reasons.
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 31, 2024 12:42:19 GMT
Welcome back!
I've had Windows computers since the mid-90s in my house, from when I was growing up until what I'm typing on now. This desktop has been going for about 6 years, but the amount of issues I've had with just basic things is ridiculous. (ie: USB ports just dying for no reason) I've long heard that MACs are longer lasting, and I hope to make the swap at some point. I know it'll be a pain, but hopefully it's my last swap ever.
My kids have an Acer cheapie laptop from when CV hit and it's had a few problems, but they only use it for getting to YouTube. I just bought DH an Asus laptop from Best Buy on sale so he could start playing WoW again and the damn thing blue screened and wouldn't restart after only 2 weeks. They just gave him a new one.
Technology (and other things) are just not made to last anymore, IMO.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 31, 2024 13:25:12 GMT
I really love my apple computer but I think they are getting crazy expensive and they need replacing about 5 years As an IT professional, I disagree with this. Macs are very solid machines, we used them at my until they were no longer supported and hardly ever had issues with them. Are you having problems with your Mac? For reference, I finally upgraded my 2012 Macbook Pro last year (11 years strong) and the main reason I had to upgrade was because I couldn't upgrade the OS anymore. That all being said, I would still stick with a Mac because they are solid machines. You can get used Macs for significantly less if you don't want to buy the most recent release. ETA: they are very expensive, that is for sure! My Mac is still going strong I ‘have’ to replace it because they will no longer update the software. ( which I think is ridiculous ) but it’s not like I haven’t gotten my moneys worth from it. It’s over 15 years old, but works fine until I want to bank online. While I agree apples can be rather expensive, I also can not complain about what I’ve gotten out of it for the money. My sons non Apple laptops last about 5 years at best, but they were very inexpensive. I’m sure there are non Apple products that last a long time but I suspect they are nearly as expensive.
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Post by babylou on Mar 31, 2024 14:31:02 GMT
In general terms, it doesn't matter if you get a Windows product, or an Apple product. What matters is the hardware inside. Get a computer with a medium/higher end processor, at least 16 GB of memory and a big enough hard drive to store whatever you may need to store. And, don't get a regular hard drive. An NvMe or SSd drive is way, way faster and will last a lot longer.
As for having to get new or update because the OS can't be updated or supported-that's what the manufacturers do. They don't want your products to last forever obviously. Otherwise, they will never make any money. It's blunt, but it's true.
After that, I would say that the computer choice should be based on what you like, what you prefer, what you need, and what you can afford. I can certainly go into more detail if anyone has any questions. Just didn't want to bore anyone with mundane stuff. LOL! Just FYI, my husband has been an IT professional for over 20 years and we have owned our own IT/Computer business for 14 years now.
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Post by CeeScraps on Mar 31, 2024 19:28:44 GMT
I'm on a 2017 MacBook Pro. I love how everything is integrated! I can few and work on my laptop files on my iPad. I can get to these files on my phone too.
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Post by Embri on Mar 31, 2024 20:32:51 GMT
As for having to get new or update because the OS can't be updated or supported-that's what the manufacturers do. They don't want your products to last forever obviously. Otherwise, they will never make any money. It's blunt, but it's true. For the technically inclined, OpenCore is an option to run modern MacOS on legacy hardware. However if you're not comfortable with programming/computer science basics then it's not for you. For Macs that can no longer get security updates, it's best to silo them if you still need access to legacy software.
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Post by wordfish on Mar 31, 2024 20:33:40 GMT
I use Apple stuff in my personal life. I have an iMac, a MacBook Air, and an iPhone (and Apple watch). That makes it really easy to get stuff to transfer from one device to another. I have only had my iMac a little more than a year, but it's doing great so far. I spend most of my time on my MacBook Air. I think it's two years old. I'd love to get another 5 years out of it but we'll see. I'm very happy with my Apple stuff, but you're right--it's expensive.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 31, 2024 22:12:35 GMT
All my tech stuff is Apple. Always has Been. MacBook, iPad, iPhone, etc. Everything is integrated. I just prefer the OS and ease of use. At work I have a nice HP laptop and it’s not bad but it just isn’t a Mac.
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Post by CeeScraps on Apr 1, 2024 12:08:11 GMT
Wow ,it's been a long time since I was active. Mostly health issues have kept me doing more than lurk. Finally feeling well enough to get back out there, but one of things I need to do is replace my MAC. I really love my apple computer but I think they are getting crazy expensive and they need replacing about 5 years, so i am considering a switch back to a windows based computer. Has anyone done this, and do you have recommendations for which brand (Dell, HP, etc...). If you made the switch do you regret it, or if you didn't why not. This should make you chuckle but the first thing my DH said when I threw out switching was why, and what do the peas think...that cracked me up! TIA! Its good to be back! Just wanted to thanks everyone....going to stick with a MAC. Tha ks do much your help! Just a thought.......is there an Apple store close to you? If so make an appointment at the Genius Bar. Have them look at your computer. It's not right that you are having issues with a Mac that is only 5 years old. You could also call Apple to see what help they can give you over the phone. With your permission they can view your computer desktop. They can point to things and tell you what to do. They CANNOT do a thing on it. You have control. 800-275-2273
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Post by woodysbetty on Apr 1, 2024 13:00:00 GMT
That's a great idea...thanks for the number too!
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 1, 2024 22:17:54 GMT
We have always used Windows computers, but when DD went to college, they used Apple computers. She preferred them……at first. Eventually, she decided thwt she preferred Windows based computers. I have an iPad, which I love using for some things, but I overall, I prefer my Windows computer.
Fun fact: computers usually have to be replaced about every 5 years or so. They become obsolete, even if they still work fine. Technology advances so fast that most people will want to upgrade by that time, anyway.
I recommend that you get whatever computer and brand has the features you prefer.
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Post by katlady on Apr 4, 2024 15:21:22 GMT
I have a 2013 MacBook Pro that is still good. We replaced it last year because the OS can’t be upgraded anymore. But, the 2013 MacBook has become my craft room computer. I can still do everything I need to on it. An Apple computer should last more than 5 years. Apple, and Microsoft, will eventually stop supporting older operating systems. And in Apple’s case, they went to their newer M chips, so it makes financial sense that they eventually stop supporting the older Intel machines.
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Post by Basket1lady on Apr 4, 2024 22:33:59 GMT
My big Mac is from 2012 and still going strong. I did upgrade the RAM for $85 about 5 years ago and it solved a lot of the issues with it being slow. I can't run the Silhouette software and Photos at the same time without it being super slow, but I seldom need to do that. If I do, I'll just put the photo into a document and retrieve it that way.
If your device is only 5 years old, definitely call or bring it into an Apple store. That's why you pay the big bucks--you pay for the support up front. When you call, you can agree to them being able to see your screen, but they don't control it. They will show you where to click, but you do the actual mouse/keyboard moves. Same for in-store.
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Post by Shakti on Apr 4, 2024 23:05:50 GMT
That's not entirely fair. Backwards compatibility of new software/OS to older hardware/chipset is a difficult problem. At some point, you hamstring the new software if you want it work on the older hardware. Which doesn't make sense for anyone, really.
For as long as I can remember I have been Windows at work and Mac at home...is that some sort of technology mullet?!
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Post by babylou on Apr 4, 2024 23:50:09 GMT
That's not entirely fair. Backwards compatibility of new software/OS to older hardware/chipset is a difficult problem. At some point, you hamstring the new software if you want it work on the older hardware. Which doesn't make sense for anyone, really. For as long as I can remember I have been Windows at work and Mac at home...is that some sort of technology mullet?! They don't want it to work with the older hardware. That's the point I was making really. They want customers to have to update to new OS, new hardware, new systems. They want products to become obsolete so that people have to continue buying more. These large corporations don't care about the end user. They see their profit margins. We have a lot of customers with machining businesses. Their equipment is so old, the software will only work on Windows XP or maybe Windows 7. New software is often $10,000 - $30,000! And the new machines are over $100,000! Small businesses can't afford that! They can't afford to update and buy new just because the software companies don't want to support old versions. It's a crappy spot for these businesses to be in.
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Post by babylou on Apr 4, 2024 23:58:03 GMT
Fun fact: computers usually have to be replaced about every 5 years or so. They become obsolete, even if they still work fine. Technology advances so fast that most people will want to upgrade by that time, anyway. I'm not trying to argue with you but this is no way a "fact". If you're buying or building a quality piece of equipment, it should easily last over 5 years and probably closer to 10. We have customers still using computers we built for them in 2010 or 2011 and they run great! It's all a matter of quality and of course, maintenance and taking care of your stuff. The only time I would agree that a computer may not last over 5 years is a laptop just because of wear and tear and exposure. But, even laptops can last longer than that if you take care of them. I agree that technology changes and upgrades, and some people may want, or need, to upgrade in order to stay up to date. But, for the average, everyday user, I don't feel like that really relates.
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Post by jediannie on Apr 5, 2024 0:23:05 GMT
Fun fact: computers usually have to be replaced about every 5 years or so. They become obsolete, even if they still work fine. Technology advances so fast that most people will want to upgrade by that time, anyway. I'm not trying to argue with you but this is no way a "fact". If you're buying or building a quality piece of equipment, it should easily last over 5 years and probably closer to 10. We have customers still using computers we built for them in 2010 or 2011 and they run great! It's all a matter of quality and of course, maintenance and taking care of your stuff. The only time I would agree that a computer may not last over 5 years is a laptop just because of wear and tear and exposure. But, even laptops can last longer than that if you take care of them. I agree that technology changes and upgrades, and some people may want, or need, to upgrade in order to stay up to date. But, for the average, everyday user, I don't feel like that really relates. Totally agree.
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Post by Shakti on Apr 5, 2024 13:01:45 GMT
When Apple stops "supporting" an OS version, the biggest deal is that you stop getting security updates. For my MacBook, which has the family finances Quicken on it, this is a big deal and we do upgrade as soon as that happens. For a computer used for crafty things, email, photo editing and storage, kids' homework/schoolwork, etc, it's no big deal and has plenty of useful life after that point.
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Post by Embri on Apr 6, 2024 10:12:04 GMT
We have a lot of customers with machining businesses. Their equipment is so old, the software will only work on Windows XP or maybe Windows 7. New software is often $10,000 - $30,000! And the new machines are over $100,000! Small businesses can't afford that! They can't afford to update and buy new just because the software companies don't want to support old versions. It's a crappy spot for these businesses to be in. This is the exact scenario where you silo the heck out of the system and never connect it again. Siloing means no electronic I/O - no wifi, no bluetooth, no usbs, no internet period. Think of it like digital quarantine. Keeps critical systems protected from anything but hardware failure if done correctly. Many industries and professionals that rely on silo'd setups will often have reserve vintage machines or parts waiting in the wings so they can hotswap and keep going. Music industry is another big one that is often running 10+ year old setups.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 6, 2024 13:48:24 GMT
My computer experience has been with windows and MS office since 1994. It's what I have used in every job I've had. In 2016 DH bought me a MacBook Pro to replace my HP laptop. It's still going strong. I think DH is a little disappointed that it's still going strong and he doesn't get to upgrade me. 😂
But! I still struggle with the Mac OS. I find windows more intuitive because it's the way I learned to use computers. I actually have MS Office for Mac loaded because pages and sheets suck. When it comes time to replace, I will stick with Mac because I like that all my tech connects seamlessly. But I will always use MS office for word processing and spreadsheets and suffer through my confusion when figuring out the OS.
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