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Post by sideways on Apr 2, 2024 14:42:17 GMT
Seven aid workers killed. Movements were coordinated with IDF and they were traveling in vehicles marked with WCK logos in a deconflicted zone. How is this not a war crime? I’m sure I’ll just be called anti-Semitic for being horrified that atrocities continue and are now escalating to targeting aid workers who are feeding starving people. Save the “But Hamas…” excuses. wck.org/news/gaza-team-update |
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 2, 2024 14:49:43 GMT
I saw that last night on TT. It is beyond sick that IDF continues to target innocent lives. It is obvious that IDF is taking away any form of help for those who no longer have a home or their families.
I hope those in charge are punished.
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 2, 2024 14:50:36 GMT
These was a young girl being interviewed who lost her entire family. She kept saying how do I go on without my mom and dad. I am a child. I am a child.
Like gosh damn...
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Post by sideways on Apr 2, 2024 15:01:19 GMT
I’m sure there will be no charges. Netanyahu is saying this was a “tragic mistake” which is basically akin to saying “Oops!” I follow Palestinian journalists on IG. I saw video of the aid workers’ bodies before anything was announced officially. It all sickens me. Especially when I see what’s happening to kids. 😔 I still think about Hind Rajab. Another “Oops!” by IDF after a medical crew was cleared to rescue her. Actually, not even that. There was no response at all. How many more have we not heard of? www.npr.org/2024/02/12/1230987928/6-year-old-gaza-girl-was-found-dead-days-after-pleading-for-rescue-from-israeli-#:~:text=Close%20Navigation%20Menu-,6%2Dyear%2Dold%20Gaza%20girl%20was%20found%20dead%20days%20after,that%20tried%20to%20rescue%20her. |
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Post by gar on Apr 2, 2024 15:22:14 GMT
3 of the aid workers were British. My heart hurts for all of them.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 2, 2024 15:25:34 GMT
Seven aid workers killed. Movements were coordinated with IDF and they were traveling in vehicles marked with WCK logos in a deconflicted zone. How is this not a war crime? I’m sure I’ll just be called anti-Semitic for being horrified that atrocities continue and are now escalating to targeting aid workers who are feeding starving people. Save the “But Hamas…” excuses. wck.org/news/gaza-team-updateI will tell you as someone who is Jewish and has been upset about Netanyahu for years and is upset about Israel's actions in Gaza, I really don't appreciate the "I'll just be called anti-Semitic" nature of your post. Why are you taking this terrible thing and using it as an opportunity for you to feel like the victim here? |
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Post by sideways on Apr 2, 2024 15:36:39 GMT
Seven aid workers killed. Movements were coordinated with IDF and they were traveling in vehicles marked with WCK logos in a deconflicted zone. How is this not a war crime? I’m sure I’ll just be called anti-Semitic for being horrified that atrocities continue and are now escalating to targeting aid workers who are feeding starving people. Save the “But Hamas…” excuses. wck.org/news/gaza-team-updateI will tell you as someone who is Jewish and has been upset about Netanyahu for years and is upset about Israel's actions in Gaza, I really don't appreciate the "I'll just be called anti-Semitic" nature of your post. Why are you taking this terrible thing and using it as an opportunity for you to feel like the victim here? I’ve been called anti-Semitic more than once on this board for being appalled at what’s happening in Gaza and voicing it. No, I’m not feeling “like the victim”. 🙄 I was preempting the inevitable. |
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Post by hop2 on Apr 2, 2024 15:58:44 GMT
Seven aid workers killed. Movements were coordinated with IDF and they were traveling in vehicles marked with WCK logos in a deconflicted zone. How is this not a war crime? I’m sure I’ll just be called anti-Semitic for being horrified that atrocities continue and are now escalating to targeting aid workers who are feeding starving people. Save the “But Hamas…” excuses. wck.org/news/gaza-team-updateI will tell you as someone who is Jewish and has been upset about Netanyahu for years and is upset about Israel's actions in Gaza, I really don't appreciate the "I'll just be called anti-Semitic" nature of your post. Why are you taking this terrible thing and using it as an opportunity for you to feel like the victim here? Because many people have been called anti semitic for speaking out against the actions of Israel and the genocide of innocent people. Including one of my Jewish children. I’m sick of my kid not being able to speak their own mind without being attacked for being anti their own religion. So I’m sorry you’re offended but maybe start speaking out against people being called anti semitic for being anti atrocity. I have nothing else kind to say on the subject. |
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Post by Tearisci on Apr 2, 2024 16:02:16 GMT
Just tragic. The organization does so much good work and I'm just sickened.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 2, 2024 16:45:16 GMT
Seven aid workers killed. Movements were coordinated with IDF and they were traveling in vehicles marked with WCK logos in a deconflicted zone. How is this not a war crime? I’m sure I’ll just be called anti-Semitic for being horrified that atrocities continue and are now escalating to targeting aid workers who are feeding starving people. Save the “But Hamas…” excuses. wck.org/news/gaza-team-updateI will tell you as someone who is Jewish and has been upset about Netanyahu for years and is upset about Israel's actions in Gaza, I really don't appreciate the "I'll just be called anti-Semitic" nature of your post. Why are you taking this terrible thing and using it as an opportunity for you to feel like the victim here? Because in every post here that criticizes Israel, a few peas DO call people anti-Semitic and are nasty. You seem to be the exception to that, and I appreciate it. I don't see her comment as making herself the victim, but more of an acceptance that despite the probably incoming name calling, she is still going to post about these atrocities. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 2, 2024 16:48:00 GMT
This isn't the first time that aid workers have been attacked and killed, and it is absolutely horrific what is happening in Gaza. Now WCK and other aid groups are halting their aid in Gaza, which just hurts more and more people. But that seems to be the goal. I wish there was more that we could do to stop this.
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Post by sideways on Apr 2, 2024 17:18:10 GMT
The more I’m learning about the attack, the more horrified and angry I get.
This was three attacks, on each visibly marked WCK car individually.
The first car was hit and the occupants that could ran to another car. Then that car was hit. Then the third.
If IDF really thought there was someone from Hamas was in one of the cars (their excuse for everything), then keep an eye on the fucking cars until they get to their destination and then apprehend that one fucking person.
How is this difficult for a country that is supposed to have a superior military and intelligence?
I’m seeing reports on IG along with satellite of the area of where the attacks happened and photos of the hit vehicles with WCK logos on the top of them. I’m too technologically challenged to post those links here. I encourage you (general) to do a search.
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Post by sideways on Apr 2, 2024 17:57:04 GMT
3 of the aid workers were British. My heart hurts for all of them. I didn’t want to “like” this comment, but didn’t want it to appear ignored either. I’ve been just horrified and sickened at what’s been happening there, but I feel like this attack just pushed me over the edge. I keep using those words, but I can’t find others that convey my feelings better. AID WORKERS who were there voluntarily to FEED STARVING PEOPLE were FUCKING TARGETED! What does it take to get this to stop? Killing children hasn’t been enough. Letting babies rot in NICUs hasn’t been enough. Taking out entire hospitals killing patients and personnel because “Hamas hides there” hasn’t been enough. Now the IDF is targeting AID WORKERS who cleared their movements with them. The October 7 attack was horrific. But Israel isn’t “defending themselves” anymore. Is it about settling the score? Evening things up? I’d say Israel has done that several times over by now. |
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Post by moodyblue on Apr 2, 2024 20:19:55 GMT
World Central Kitchen is probably the organization I respect most in the whole world. They do amazing work and in awful circumstances.
I am sickened and also very angry about this attack and the deaths of these aid workers. And for Netanyahu to say that these things happen in wars infuriates me. I think it’s pretty clear that he will justify any atrocity against anyone in Gaza at this point.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 2, 2024 21:38:19 GMT
These was a young girl being interviewed who lost her entire family. She kept saying how do I go on without my mom and dad. I am a child. I am a child. Like gosh damn... It is so sad. And there are so many of them. I can't even imagine how they are surviving now, let alone in the future. |
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Post by sideways on Apr 2, 2024 22:45:06 GMT
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Post by pepperwood on Apr 2, 2024 23:08:22 GMT
World Central Kitchen is probably the organization I respect most in the whole world. They do amazing work and in awful circumstances. I am sickened and also very angry about this attack and the deaths of these aid workers. And for Netanyahu to say that these things happen in wars infuriates me. I think it’s pretty clear that he will justify any atrocity against anyone in Gaza at this point. I am sickened about the loss of life and other casualties, especially the volunteers that put their lives on line. I admire the work that Chef Andreas and World Central Kitchen does around the world after tragedies. I have supported them financially in the past and just made another donation today in memory of the volunteers that lost their lives. I hope others will donate to them if they are able to do so. link |
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Post by Merge on Apr 2, 2024 23:36:42 GMT
I oppose the senseless slaughter of innocents no matter where they are. I don't know how we get to peace in the middle east, but this isn't it.
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Post by pilcas on Apr 2, 2024 23:44:15 GMT
Seven aid workers killed. Movements were coordinated with IDF and they were traveling in vehicles marked with WCK logos in a deconflicted zone. How is this not a war crime? I’m sure I’ll just be called anti-Semitic for being horrified that atrocities continue and are now escalating to targeting aid workers who are feeding starving people. Save the “But Hamas…” excuses. wck.org/news/gaza-team-updateI will tell you as someone who is Jewish and has been upset about Netanyahu for years and is upset about Israel's actions in Gaza, I really don't appreciate the "I'll just be called anti-Semitic" nature of your post. Why are you taking this terrible thing and using it as an opportunity for you to feel like the victim here? Unfortunately, it has happened to me many times through out the years that if I say anything criticizing the State of Israel I have been called anti semitic. There are people out there who believe Israel can not do any wrong and will verbally attack you and insult you if you do not agree 100%. It really is a shame this happens. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 3, 2024 0:01:37 GMT
I continue to not understand why we are unable to have nuanced conversations around Israel and Palestine. So many things regarding Netanyahu and his cabinet, our legislative and treaty military obligations to Israel, what's happening in Gaza and to the Palestinian people, what will happen to Israel if we pull our support - all of these things can be true at the same time. Maybe it will take someone like Jose Andres to force the international community to finally effectively deal with this crisis.
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 3, 2024 0:19:13 GMT
World Central Kitchen is probably the organization I respect most in the whole world. They do amazing work and in awful circumstances. I am sickened and also very angry about this attack and the deaths of these aid workers. And for Netanyahu to say that these things happen in wars infuriates me. I think it’s pretty clear that he will justify any atrocity against anyone in Gaza at this point. I totally agree. This is so heartbreaking. World Central Kitchen has been a bright light in a dark world. Also in reference to comments previously made up thread, calling someone antisemitic because they disagree with what Netanyahu is doing really cheapens the word. You can hate what a government is doing and not hate the people of that country. Sincerely, someone who hates everything that Trump represents but still loved this country while he was president. Let's reserve that word for the people who really are antisemitic. And please call them out for their hate! |
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Post by sideways on Apr 3, 2024 0:23:45 GMT
I oppose the senseless slaughter of innocents no matter where they are. I don't know how we get to peace in the middle east, but this isn't it. Agreed. What I’m worried about is that some of these people who do manage to live through this horrific situation and come out the other side with all the trauma of what they have endured will be prime candidates for radicalization in a few short years. And then it all cycles all over again. Also, Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the Palestinian people so all of what Israel is doing to them is never going to get Hamas to release the hostages. (That’s for those who are reading for this thread and thinking to yourselves “But if Hamas releases the hostages…”) If what’s happening to innocent people at the IDF’s hands hasn’t persuaded Hamas to release the hostages, then they’ll never be persuaded. They. Do. Not. Care. Thank you, pepperwood, for the link. I’ve donated to WCK before and will again. I hope others do the same. |
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Post by sideways on Apr 3, 2024 1:05:15 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 3, 2024 1:19:02 GMT
I oppose the senseless slaughter of innocents no matter where they are. I don't know how we get to peace in the middle east, but this isn't it. Agreed. What I’m worried about is that some of these people who do manage to live through this horrific situation and come out the other side with all the trauma of what they have endured will be prime candidates for radicalization in a few short years. And then it all cycles all over again. Also, Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the Palestinian people so all of what Israel is doing to them is never going to get Hamas to release the hostages. (That’s for those who are reading for this thread and thinking to yourselves “But if Hamas releases the hostages…”) If what’s happening to innocent people at the IDF’s hands hasn’t persuaded Hamas to release the hostages, then they’ll never be persuaded. They. Do. Not. Care. Thank you, pepperwood, for the link. I’ve donated to WCK before and will again. I hope others do the same. If there was a handbook for how to radicalize a group of people, I imagine that Israel is doing all of those things now. 100% of people in Gaza are going to have significant trauma for years and generations to come. People say, "Well, the Palestinians support Hamas." What is their alternative? What has Israel done to help them? Has anything been done to try to help them to see that things could be different? Right now they are just trying to survive. Parents are contemplating throwing their kids into the sea so they don't have to starve to death. They are boiling leaves, eating animal feed, and risking their lives to collect succulents that grow close to the border checkpoint because that is all they have to eat. All while Israel blocks aid from going in. It is disgusting to see a report where on one side of the border mothers are holding their kids as they die of starvation and then on the other side mothers are laughing and playing with their babies while they block the aid from going in, denying that there is even a humitarian crisis in the first place, then saying if there is, Israeli babies are more important than Palestinian babies. It's all so sickening and disheartening. |
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 3, 2024 2:06:29 GMT
I will tell you as someone who is Jewish and has been upset about Netanyahu for years and is upset about Israel's actions in Gaza, I really don't appreciate the "I'll just be called anti-Semitic" nature of your post. Why are you taking this terrible thing and using it as an opportunity for you to feel like the victim here? Unfortunately, it has happened to me many times through out the years that if I say anything criticizing the State of Israel I have been called anti semitic. There are people out there who believe Israel can not do any wrong and will verbally attack you and insult you if you do not agree 100%. It really is a shame this happens. Not singling you out, at all — I think my frustration is that there absolutely is plenty of real antisemitism going on right now including in the discourse around Gaza (my husband who is also Jewish and shares my views has gotten death threats, eg) and people say a lot of really antisemitic things, sometimes not realizing that what they are saying is antisemitic (although lord, sometimes absolutely realizing it). I need sometimes to say, hey, that thing you just said was antisemitic, and when someone comes out of the gate with “I’m going to be called antisemitic” it really hits my ear like a person who says “I’m going to be called racist.” Does that make sense? Anyhow, Israel’s reaction to the Hamas attack has been in my view misguided from the beginning and had just gotten worse. I do remember, many years ago, when Rabin was assassinated, crying in my inlaws’ front yard, because I knew it meant we were likely to be here one day. My heart is broken and I just don’t know the way back from here. |
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Post by mikklynn on Apr 3, 2024 13:37:40 GMT
World Central Kitchen is probably the organization I respect most in the whole world. They do amazing work and in awful circumstances. I am sickened and also very angry about this attack and the deaths of these aid workers. And for Netanyahu to say that these things happen in wars infuriates me. I think it’s pretty clear that he will justify any atrocity against anyone in Gaza at this point. I am sickened about the loss of life and other casualties, especially the volunteers that put their lives on line. I admire the work that Chef Andreas and World Central Kitchen does around the world after tragedies. I have supported them financially in the past and just made another donation today in memory of the volunteers that lost their lives. I hope others will donate to them if they are able to do so. linkI was planning to donate today, so thank you for the link making it so easy. |
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Post by naby64 on Apr 3, 2024 13:56:35 GMT
Thank you for the link pepperwood. I just sent a donation. |
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Post by dewryce on Apr 3, 2024 18:43:33 GMT
Unfortunately, it has happened to me many times through out the years that if I say anything criticizing the State of Israel I have been called anti semitic. There are people out there who believe Israel can not do any wrong and will verbally attack you and insult you if you do not agree 100%. It really is a shame this happens. Not singling you out, at all — I think my frustration is that there absolutely is plenty of real antisemitism going on right now including in the discourse around Gaza (my husband who is also Jewish and shares my views has gotten death threats, eg) and people say a lot of really antisemitic things, sometimes not realizing that what they are saying is antisemitic (although lord, sometimes absolutely realizing it). I need sometimes to say, hey, that thing you just said was antisemitic, and when someone comes out of the gate with “I’m going to be called antisemitic” it really hits my ear like a person who says “I’m going to be called racist.” Does that make sense?Anyhow, Israel’s reaction to the Hamas attack has been in my view misguided from the beginning and had just gotten worse. I do remember, many years ago, when Rabin was assassinated, crying in my inlaws’ front yard, because I knew it meant we were likely to be here one day. My heart is broken and I just don’t know the way back from here. Yes. To me it can come across as going on the offensive to try and preemptively stop that from happening, using it like a shield. And so often, when someone says that, what they are saying is antisemitic or racist. I’m not suggesting at all it doesn’t happen, but I think for a topic as sensitive as this there is a better way to say that you understand that your views may appear antisemitic to some, that is not at all your intention. That you support the Jewish people but don’t support the actions of their government right now. Eta: The OP, to me, came across as hostile. I think in part because it said “I’m sure I will be called antisemitic” because (obviously not antisemitic views). That minimizes that there are so many antisemitic views being expressed. |
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Post by sideways on Apr 3, 2024 19:44:14 GMT
Not singling you out, at all — I think my frustration is that there absolutely is plenty of real antisemitism going on right now including in the discourse around Gaza (my husband who is also Jewish and shares my views has gotten death threats, eg) and people say a lot of really antisemitic things, sometimes not realizing that what they are saying is antisemitic (although lord, sometimes absolutely realizing it). I need sometimes to say, hey, that thing you just said was antisemitic, and when someone comes out of the gate with “I’m going to be called antisemitic” it really hits my ear like a person who says “I’m going to be called racist.” Does that make sense?Anyhow, Israel’s reaction to the Hamas attack has been in my view misguided from the beginning and had just gotten worse. I do remember, many years ago, when Rabin was assassinated, crying in my inlaws’ front yard, because I knew it meant we were likely to be here one day. My heart is broken and I just don’t know the way back from here. Yes. To me it can come across as going on the offensive to try and preemptively stop that from happening, using it like a shield. And so often, when someone says that, what they are saying is antisemitic or racist. I’m not suggesting at all it doesn’t happen, but I think for a topic as sensitive as this there is a better way to say that you understand that your views may appear antisemitic to some, that is not at all your intention. That you support the Jewish people but don’t support the actions of their government right now. Eta: The OP, to me, came across as hostile. I think in part because it said “I’m sure I will be called antisemitic” because (obviously not antisemitic views). That minimizes that there are so many antisemitic views being expressed. As I’ve said, I’ve been called anti-Semitic here more than once for expressing outrage over what ISRAEL is doing to innocent people. Go back through my posting history and tell me exactly which of my posts express specific hatred of Jewish people. I challenge anyone to do so. So many people are now equating any criticism of what Israel/IDF/Netanyahu are doing with anti-Semitism. One can’t be horrified at aid workers being killed, babies and children being killed, innocent people being killed at their hands without without being accused of it. No, me preempting the fact that I’m going to be called anti-Semitic doesn’t minimize actual anti-Semitic views. It’s the other way around. Calling people anti-Semitic who are not minimizes when it actually happens. Kind of like how RWNJs like to throw around the “pedo” and “groomer” accusations against anyone who identifies as Democrat/liberal/progressive. Yes, I’ve been called those too. (Not here. Yet.) It’s an attempt to shut down any valid conversation and criticism. I don’t hold Jewish people responsible for what’s happening in Gaza and any threats or attacks on them are disgusting. It’s odd how when I’ve expressed that horror and disgust at attacks on Jewish people, I’m been thanked, my posts have been “liked” and reshared.(Not here but on personal social media) But when I express the same feelings about attacks on Palestinian people, I’m called anti-Semitic. I vacillate between being throughly sick of it and just not giving a fuck anymore. I guess today I’m more on the sick of it side. As I’ve said before, I’m pro-humanity, anti-killing of innocent people. That was true for the Oct. 7 attacks, that’s true for what’s happening in Gaza, that’s true of anywhere crimes against humanity are taking place. The major difference between what’s happening in Gaza, what happened on Oct. 7, and what’s happening in other places is that the US is funding what’s happening in Gaza, and that really pisses me off. Nobody can deny that Israel isn’t just targeting Hamas anymore. I don’t know why that’s so hard to understand. |
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