edie3
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Post by edie3 on Apr 8, 2024 15:25:18 GMT
My nephew is such a shit to his parents (my sister) and to the rest of the family. I wanna ask him how long he thinks his parents will be around. He was raised better than this.
Vent over.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 8, 2024 15:28:50 GMT
I understand... Hard to sit back and watch.
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 8, 2024 15:29:04 GMT
Stay out of it. But I totally understand where you are coming from. It's hard to sit by and watch. But feel free to give him a peace of your mind if he ever attempts to do the same to you.
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Post by mom on Apr 8, 2024 15:44:22 GMT
My nephew is such a shit to his parents (my sister) and to the rest of the family. I wanna ask him how long he thinks his parents will be around. He was raised better than this. Vent over. If he’s an adult, I probably would tell him. A kid? I’d just bite my tongue.
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Post by ~summer~ on Apr 8, 2024 15:54:19 GMT
How old is he?
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Post by gar on Apr 8, 2024 15:56:44 GMT
Need to know how old he is And the kind of relationship you all have I guess.
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Post by edie3 on Apr 8, 2024 16:24:10 GMT
He is 34, and our families are very close. We get together for major and minor holidays, or just because. There are 5 cousins and they are all close too. Well, except for him. He has pushed our side of the family to the side. We draw names for Christmas and this year, he said he did not want to do that with our family. He thinks it is nothing but every one exchanging gift cards with one another, and he was not going to participate in this.
And when he got married he caused drama by deciding the rehearsal dinner would just be a close friends and family "intimate affair". Which meant my 2 sons were not invited. In a strange city. His mom and I both cried over his decision. In the end, my DH and I went, and my 2 DS did their own thing for dinner. Looking back, I regret going to the dinner. Should have stood my ground. And my sister should have made sure they were included.
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Post by gar on Apr 8, 2024 16:32:26 GMT
How could your sister have made sure your sons were included? I presume they're well into adulthood too? I get that it's hurtful and spoiling familial events etc but he is entitled to make different decisions surely. Is his wife in contact with any of you individually? Are the changes linked to her at all?
What is he doing that makes you say he's being a shit to his parents?
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Post by Lurkingpea on Apr 8, 2024 16:38:39 GMT
How could your sister have made sure your sons were included? I presume they're well into adulthood too? I get that it's hurtful and spoiling familial events etc but he is entitled to make different decisions surely. Is his wife in contact with any of you individually? Are the changes linked to her at all? What is he doing that makes you say he's being a shit to his parents? I don't get being so upset about rehearsal dinner to cry over it, but everyone is different. Rehearsal dinner is typically pretty small from what I understand. Usually those involved in the wedding. I bet most people at the wedding weren't invited and if they lived out of town they would be on their own in a strange city as well. Since the groom's parents pay for it, I assume that is why the op thinks her sister had a say. Curious as to what he is doing to parents as well. Was it just because he drew your family name at Christmas that he didn't participate or was it because it was always just gift cards. Either way, it is rude to decide you won't participate after the drawing. But I don't like secret Santa anyway and kids of agree secret Santa should be more specific then just a gift card unless it is very specific to the recipient.
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Post by busy on Apr 8, 2024 16:39:15 GMT
I’d stay out of it. You’re clearly angry and that’s not going to help anything.
Usually, people become estranged from their family for complicated reasons and it’s rarely 100% on them. Telling someone with an already strained family relationship that they’re wrong about everything isn’t going to heal anything.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 8, 2024 16:45:58 GMT
He is 34, and our families are very close. We get together for major and minor holidays, or just because. There are 5 cousins and they are all close too. Well, except for him. He has pushed our side of the family to the side. We draw names for Christmas and this year, he said he did not want to do that with our family. He thinks it is nothing but every one exchanging gift cards with one another, and he was not going to participate in this. And when he got married he caused drama by deciding the rehearsal dinner would just be a close friends and family "intimate affair". Which meant my 2 sons were not invited. In a strange city. His mom and I both cried over his decision. In the end, my DH and I went, and my 2 DS did their own thing for dinner. Looking back, I regret going to the dinner. Should have stood my ground. And my sister should have made sure they were included. Okay, this seems weird to me. Maybe since my family is very close and we just don't get upset about stuff like this. I would definitely just stay out of it. More I don't care about the details and going on with family planning the better it is. If one of my nieces/nephews got married, it's up to them how they want to do things. Then it is up to us how to figure it out. If invited, then figure out if we can participate or not. If we can't no big deal, if we can hip hip hooray. No one gets mad or upset. I am SOOOO glad my sister and I see eye to eye on this stuff. NO family drama at all. Ever.
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Post by River on Apr 8, 2024 16:47:12 GMT
I definitely need more specifics on what he's doing currently.
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Post by Gennifer on Apr 8, 2024 16:49:27 GMT
None of what you described sounds at all like an adult being a shit to his parents, sorry.
Definitely stay out of it.
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Post by dnkmmw on Apr 8, 2024 16:49:42 GMT
Curious as to what he is doing to parents as well. Was it just because he drew your family name at Christmas that he didn't participate or was it because it was always just gift cards. Either way, it is rude to decide you won't participate after the drawing. I took it as he participated in the past and, this year, he said he wouldn't be participating. If that's correct, I don't see that as rude. Why should he have to participate if he doesn't want to? If anything, I think it's rude to expect someone to exchange a gift, when they don't want to. So far, I haven't read anything that paints him as bad person.
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Post by edie3 on Apr 8, 2024 16:50:39 GMT
Oh, the list is very long of what he has done to his parents. I won't get into it here. And all the cousins were invited except my 2 sons. And he can live in his world, but don't be mean to your Mama. That's the hard part, seeing my sister hurting.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 8, 2024 17:12:48 GMT
Rehearsal dinners normally include the wedding party and out-of-town guests. They are entitled to make their own choices about whom to invite (along with whoever is actually footing the bill, if it isn’t them), but it is both rude and unkind to invite the other cousins and leave out your two sons.
I don’t see how skipping the gift exchange if they don’t enjoy it is terrible or anything, but it does hurt other family members’ feelings, and he should realize that and do it gently, not (again) rudely.
This sounds like the tip of the iceberg on family issues with this guy and maybe his wife, too. I would try to stay out of it, but I doubt things will improve any time soon.
Feel free to vent here all you like, though.
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Post by gar on Apr 8, 2024 17:17:40 GMT
It sounds very complicated and it's unlikely anything you say will actually make a difference as you're probably coming at the issues from different angles. It's tough, I get it, but it's probably best not to get involved in that way.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 8, 2024 17:24:59 GMT
Rehearsal dinners normally include the wedding party and out-of-town guests. They are entitled to make their own choices about whom to invite (along with whoever is actually footing the bill, if it isn’t them), but it is both rude and unkind to invite the other cousins and leave out your two sons.I don’t see how skipping the gift exchange if they don’t enjoy it is terrible or anything, but it does hurt other family members’ feelings, and he should realize that and do it gently, not (again) rudely. This sounds like the tip of the iceberg on family issues with this guy and maybe his wife, too. I would try to stay out of it, but I doubt things will improve any time soon. Feel free to vent here all you like, though. 100% this. We had a very small wedding but we did include several out of town family members to join us for the rehearsal dinner because it’s the polite thing to do.
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Post by lisae on Apr 8, 2024 17:32:05 GMT
He is 34, and our families are very close. We get together for major and minor holidays, or just because. There are 5 cousins and they are all close too. Well, except for him. He has pushed our side of the family to the side. We draw names for Christmas and this year, he said he did not want to do that with our family. He thinks it is nothing but every one exchanging gift cards with one another, and he was not going to participate in this. And when he got married he caused drama by deciding the rehearsal dinner would just be a close friends and family "intimate affair". Which meant my 2 sons were not invited. In a strange city. His mom and I both cried over his decision. In the end, my DH and I went, and my 2 DS did their own thing for dinner. Looking back, I regret going to the dinner. Should have stood my ground. And my sister should have made sure they were included. Honestly I see these things as his decision as an adult. While it may be traditional to include out of town guests at a rehearsal dinner, the bride and groom are entitled, I think, to limit the number of people assuming your sons were not in the wedding party. It sounds like you don't like how he treats you and your family. You can certainly disapprove but you can't force someone to be close to family if they aren't feeling it.
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Post by Zee on Apr 8, 2024 18:20:04 GMT
Since you don't want to share any details of why he's a shit other than a rehearsal dinner where you cried because your sons weren't invited, and a Christmas exchange of cards he didn't want to do, I'll just cut to "stay out of it".
Sounds like a bunch of unnecessary drama.
ETA and his rehearsal dinner is not YOUR ground to stand, nor your sister's. It's not your wedding.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 8, 2024 18:24:14 GMT
He is 34, and our families are very close. We get together for major and minor holidays, or just because. There are 5 cousins and they are all close too. Well, except for him. He has pushed our side of the family to the side. We draw names for Christmas and this year, he said he did not want to do that with our family. He thinks it is nothing but every one exchanging gift cards with one another, and he was not going to participate in this. And when he got married he caused drama by deciding the rehearsal dinner would just be a close friends and family "intimate affair". Which meant my 2 sons were not invited. In a strange city. His mom and I both cried over his decision. In the end, my DH and I went, and my 2 DS did their own thing for dinner. Looking back, I regret going to the dinner. Should have stood my ground. And my sister should have made sure they were included. I just can’t get with you on these two examples, sorry. Gift exchanges amongst adults are stupid and I would be happy if everyone opted out. All I can think is good for him for setting a boundary. Rehearsal dinners are for rehearsing. They’re for the people who have something to rehearse. I don’t understand being upset about who gets invited or doesn’t. I get that traditionally out of town guests were invited, but traditions evolve and I cannot fathom crying over it…who actually *wants* to go to one? If his mom was crying over who the couple getting married decided to invite to their event, I can’t blame him for erecting some harsh boundaries.
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Post by mom on Apr 8, 2024 22:26:49 GMT
He is 34, and our families are very close. We get together for major and minor holidays, or just because. There are 5 cousins and they are all close too. Well, except for him. He has pushed our side of the family to the side. We draw names for Christmas and this year, he said he did not want to do that with our family. He thinks it is nothing but every one exchanging gift cards with one another, and he was not going to participate in this. And when he got married he caused drama by deciding the rehearsal dinner would just be a close friends and family "intimate affair". Which meant my 2 sons were not invited. In a strange city. His mom and I both cried over his decision. In the end, my DH and I went, and my 2 DS did their own thing for dinner. Looking back, I regret going to the dinner. Should have stood my ground. And my sister should have made sure they were included. I just can’t get with you on these two examples, sorry. Gift exchanges amongst adults are stupid and I would be happy if everyone opted out. All I can think is good for him for setting a boundary. Rehearsal dinners are for rehearsing. They’re for the people who have something to rehearse. I don’t understand being upset about who gets invited or doesn’t. I get that traditionally out of town guests were invited, but traditions evolve and I cannot fathom crying over it…who actually *wants* to go to one? If his mom was crying over who the couple getting married decided to invite to their event, I can’t blame him for erecting some harsh boundaries. I agree. Everyone says set boundaries with your family, and also that the wedding couple gets to do what they want and not what’s expected…and then when they do. It seems weird to be upset about a gift exchange boundary and them doing what they wanted to for HIS wedding.
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 9, 2024 4:01:12 GMT
I don't even know what the point of a rehearsal dinner is, because they are not done here. Not for any wedding I've ever been to, anyway. It sounds like yet another unnecessary and costly imposition, but what do I know? 🤷♀️ So for that part of the issue, it's hard for me to get worked up over something that I think is pointless anyway.
Christmas gift exchange: On the face of it, that's also not a big deal. If someone doesn't want to be involved, and tells everyone up front, then who cares? It's a hell of a lot better than him getting a gift but not giving a gift to his "Secret Santa" recipient, as happened to my DSO twice!
We will have to take your word for it when you say he is "such a shit" to his parents. If it's more of the above, then I don't see it as worth getting into it with him. But if it genuinely was shit behaviour, then I don't think I could keep my mouth shut if I heard my nephew being an arsehole to my brother or SIL.
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Post by Kerri W on Apr 9, 2024 9:48:24 GMT
Rehearsal dinners normally include the wedding party and out-of-town guests. They are entitled to make their own choices about whom to invite (along with whoever is actually footing the bill, if it isn’t them), but it is both rude and unkind to invite the other cousins and leave out your two sons.I don’t see how skipping the gift exchange if they don’t enjoy it is terrible or anything, but it does hurt other family members’ feelings, and he should realize that and do it gently, not (again) rudely. This sounds like the tip of the iceberg on family issues with this guy and maybe his wife, too. I would try to stay out of it, but I doubt things will improve any time soon. Feel free to vent here all you like, though. 100% this. We had a very small wedding but we did include several out of town family members to join us for the rehearsal dinner because it’s the polite thing to do. Hopefully not sidetracking this thread, but the idea of ‘because it’s the polite thing to do’ really bothers me. I think it’s a regional/cultural/maybe socioeconomic idea to invite ALL the out of town guests to the rehearsal. In my world it is common to have only the wedding party participants and their immediate family at the rehearsal dinner. This caused a huge issue with my MIL who only wanted to invite out of town guests from her side to our rehearsal when I wanted to keep it small with only wedding party and their families/spouses. It’s ok to not invite the entire world. Period. I’ve also traveled for several weddings and never been invited to a single rehearsal dinner. INCLUDING those hosted by said MIL (eye roll). It sounds to me like the nephew is trying to set some boundaries. With lack of additional information, I say good for any person who attempts to set boundaries in their lives.
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Post by Embri on Apr 9, 2024 10:22:01 GMT
Opting out ahead of time is the responsible, adult choice when it comes to any activity one does not wish to participate in. There can be a lot of complicated feelings around gifts, especially when family is involved. Exchanges can feel hollow and meaningless when generic gifts are offered, or worse, gifts based on some past interest that is no longer held. e.x. Child professes a love of sharks, gets shark themed things from then on, even though they completely lost interest over a decade ago. Regardless, this smacks of missing missing reasons. Staying out of it is the right call. www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html
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Post by mikklynn on Apr 9, 2024 11:45:26 GMT
Definitely stay out of it. You can be a listener for your sister. Nothing you say to someone like this will help.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 9, 2024 11:47:44 GMT
Neither of those things is anything to cry over or to get angry about, soooo stay out of it.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 9, 2024 13:07:39 GMT
I don't think the reasons you gave (or those types of reasons) are enough to confront your nephew with general involvement.
--The gift card thing is just a preference/boundary. He absolutely has the right to that choice. --The rehearsal dinner is more concerning, but there are so many variables I don't know. If EVERY other cousin was invited and those cousins also didn't have a role in the wedding other than being an "out of town guest" then I would be annoyed, and I would probably ask why (or have DSs ask why). If the families are "close" then I am thinking there is an issue between your nephew and his cousins?
Either way, I think you have the right to be a bit miffed about the wedding, but being annoyed with him isn't enough to upend your already tense relationship. --coming from a person who has experienced this in a roundabout way and now have a strained relationship with MIL and SIL (it came from their end and DH has mended some with MIL but it is still tense and has little to do with his sister.) We get along with everyone else in the family, but MIL and SIL burnt some bridges with their "perceived" slights. Bottom line: MIL "thought" she was doing the right thing, but she really didn't understand the bigger picture and thought she had more sway with her opinions over her 50-plus-year-old sons than she did.
I am 95% sure your nephew would not appreciate your advice.
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Post by edie3 on Apr 9, 2024 13:35:17 GMT
The Christmas gift exchange was not just exchanging gift cards, it was exchanging presents, my nephew said it was just people exchanging gift cards. All the cousins were invited but my 2 kids.
Like someone said earlier, all I can and will do is be there for my sister. She deserves better, and I hate to see her hurting because of his treatment of her.
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Post by dnkmmw on Apr 9, 2024 14:25:37 GMT
The Christmas gift exchange was not just exchanging gift cards, it was exchanging presents, my nephew said it was just people exchanging gift cards. Why does it matter what's exchanged? Your nephew doesn't want to participate. As an adult, he should be allowed to make that choice. Being upset with someone for not participating in a gift exchange is really petty. As for your sons not being invited to the rehearsal, I might wager a guess that your nephew doesn't feel very close to your family. You say that there are many examples of his terrible behavior. If that's the case, I'm guessing your nephew has a pretty good idea how you feel about him.
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