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Post by lucyg on Apr 23, 2024 0:00:07 GMT
I am very sorry about the tragic loss of your daughter. Wish I had words to help take away your pain.
I lost my husband at age 40 to murder many years ago. We still visit him at our city cemetery from time to time. Last December we held a remembrance at his graveside with family and close friends to commemorate the 30th anniversary. (We’ve done the same thing at other major anniversaries.)
People walking around the cemetery and enjoying themselves isn’t something that would bother me as a general thing. But they should be cognizant of other people’s situations, and stay quiet and respectful when it’s apparent someone else is there to grieve.
Is it possible you can talk to whoever runs the cemetery (in our case, it’s the city) and ask them to maybe post a sign reminding visitors to show respect for mourners?
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 23, 2024 0:09:54 GMT
Your feelings are valid and you don't need to justify them. I'm so sorry about your daughter.
Where I live, many cemeteries are designed for people to walk through and use them. One in my town has a gazebo with a pond & swans and encourages people to take photos there for special occasions (i.e. prom, etc.) My husband and I like to walk at one in the city that has an app, a guided walking tour, picnic tables and even encourages people to walk through the mausoleum to look at the art collection. We always try to be sensitive when using these spaces but I recognize that when you are grieving, it is hard to see people around you living their lives as though nothing has changed.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Apr 23, 2024 0:48:57 GMT
Is the cemetery owned or controlled by a cemetery corporation, church, association, an organization? Is it private or public or owned by the city, county or township? This seems to be very stressful. You may want to contact the entity/owner that is responsible for the property. It is possible that they have laws/rules/regulations regarding fair usage of the cemetery for any other use beyond funerals. It is entirely possible that people are in fact trespassing on private property.
If there are some laws/rules /regulations being broken, bringing the cemetery owners attention to the matter may facilitate change. You and other family members that have loved ones in the cemetery could certainly petition to have the rules followed, including the posting of information/ trespassing signs.
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Post by cmpeter on Apr 23, 2024 0:56:42 GMT
I would not walk in a cemetery, I would be concerned that I would bother people who were there visiting a loved ones grave or having a ceremony.
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Post by pancakes on Apr 23, 2024 0:57:35 GMT
For me, it would depend on the cemetery. If the cemetery has a lot of historical figures buried there, architectural or historical significance, then it’s something I would expect. But if it’s just a normal cemetery, I personally wouldn’t spend any leisure time there.
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Post by mimima on Apr 23, 2024 2:42:55 GMT
I'm so sorry for your loss. May your daughter's Memory be Eternal.
I grew up walking around the town cemetery and don't see it as disrespectful. I do not currently walk in one,but would not hesitate to do so if there were one nearby.
However, I do think that I would be quiet if I passed a family gathered at a grave.
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Post by Zee on Apr 23, 2024 3:01:47 GMT
I would walk there, but I would also be cognizant and respectful of visitors paying respects. I love to explore cemeteries and it wouldn't bother me at all to have someone walking near my loved ones--think of them as visitors--but I myself would not walk directly past a ceremony or gathering unless I came upon it by accident. And in that case, I would quietly leave as unobtrusively as possible.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 23, 2024 3:07:19 GMT
Both of my parents are in a cemetery. I don't think it is disrespectful. If people are paying their respects, the walkers should be quieter as not to bother them. I am of the belief that the body is there, but the soul is not, I don't think people are disrespecting bodies by walking and talking.
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Post by miominmio on Apr 23, 2024 5:01:58 GMT
I am sorry for your loss❤️ I am Norwegian, and for obvious reasons (one of the countries in the world with least inhabitants per square km) most cemetaries here are small. When others on this thread talk about picnic etc, it is very, very alien to me. I have never seen anyone just walking through our local cemetary, so I would find it odd if someone was walking their dog, or walk around there chatting and laughing. I wouldn’t be hurt (my family has been buried at that cementary for centuries, and probably since christianity arrived, my mom, who died three years ago after a short and difficult illness, is buried there as well, and the pain is still as bad as it was the day she died) but I would definitely think they were …. odd. Or foreigners, as I realise social codes vary.
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Post by rainangel on Apr 23, 2024 5:57:30 GMT
We laid to rest my grandmother last year. As we were coming out of the very small church to carry her casket into the hearse, there were cruise tourists across the street taking pictures of us In the last few years our town has been a port for cruise ships, and this church is very small, very old, very pretty and very close to where the ships dock. That seemed disrespectful, but what could we do? This was a public street, so they were allowed to stop and watch I suppose. The taking pictures was unnecessary though... I walk in cemeteries regularly, but always by myself. It's not for exercise, and I don't chatter or go close to anyone who is visiting graves. Cemeteries are beautiful and peaceful places to me, and I enjoy walking through them. I am very sorry for the loss of your daughter. If people are walking past you chatting away while you are grieving, I would find that rude and disrespectful too. As a general rule, I think walking in cemeteries is ok. But like always, read the room!
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Post by sueg on Apr 23, 2024 6:36:42 GMT
I used to live near a large cemetery in Munich and regularly walked there. The first time I visited was just after we moved there, and I was intrigued by the statues I could see over the cemetery walls. It was just so beautiful and peaceful, as well as filled with history (oldest gravestone I saw as about 1850 - this was a more 'recent' cemetery, built when an earlier one reached capacity). There were large trees and winding paths and it was divided up into sections. It was large enough and had so many paths that it was easy to take a different route if I came across mourners or a funeral procession. No cars were allowed in except the cemetery ones, so it was a really safe place to walk as well. I also mainly walked alone, so I wasn't talking with anyone. The cemetery that this one replaced now has a playground and picnic area in one corner. I spent an afternoon there taking photos, as the old graves and the light coming through the trees were so beautiful. It is so old that I doubt many people come their to pay respects to family members. There are some graves of famous people, so people do come to see them. Where we now live, their is a forest cemetery about 20 minutes walk away. I wandered over there one day, just to visit and see what it was like. It too is so pretty, with trees and well maintained flower beds, but a bit far away for everyday walking.
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Post by cat2007 on Apr 23, 2024 12:21:44 GMT
When my husband had his thyroid removed, he wanted to get out and walk after his surgery so we went to a historic cemetery across the street from the hospital. It was Mount Hope in Rochester, NY and not only was it quiet, beautiful and historical, it gave him time to work through everything and contemplate what his next treatment steps would be. We also took a garbage bag with us and picked up trash.
It remains one of my favorite cemeteries to visit and I look at it this way: some of the people buried there haven't been visited in many years so it's kind of keeping their memories alive.
I am so sorry for your loss.
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Post by huskergal on Apr 23, 2024 13:21:27 GMT
If I walk in a cemetery, I walk quietly and respectfully. They are usually beautiful places and you do not have to compete with cars, etc.
I would be bothered if I were you as well.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 23, 2024 13:29:02 GMT
I actually think it is good for cemeteries to be integrated into the surrounding communities by having people walk through them. It is not asking too much, however, for people to have situational awareness and decency, and of course people should be respectful of others in the cemetery, particularly funerals and people there to mourn.
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Post by melanell on Apr 23, 2024 13:42:58 GMT
I do not walk at cemeteries simply to walk, but I do visit them very regularly both to care for family graves as well as for genealogical reasons. I, too, try to avoid going near anyone visiting their loved ones if I can help it, especially during the years when I had young children with me.
Along the lines of what Lucy said, some of the larger cemeteries in my area do have signs up with guidelines for visitors. They can walk, but not run or jog, and the signs do ask walkers to avoid areas where burials or ceremonies are taking place. The signs do also ask people to keep a respectful volume. Some do not allow animals as well.
One thing that I think can possibly be a positive about people using a cemetery space is that it might help to ensure that the space is always kept in good repair. I know of many cemeteries that are in poor condition because they changed hands or were abandoned. But I have also seen a community take interest in an abandoned cemetery & do a wonderful job in restoring it, with local companies coming in and donating time & equipment to take down trees, lift fallen stones, repair paths, etc. In doing so, more people now visit that cemetery again, even if they don't have loved ones there, but the more people who are invested in that space, the better chances it will continue to have community support to keep it well cared for going forward.
But none of that matters in terms of your feelings, and I am truly sorry that having people using the cemetery as a walking location makes things more difficult for you. And I am so very sorry for your loss. Hugs to you.
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Post by bratkar on Apr 23, 2024 13:58:03 GMT
We have a very large cemetery, that is near a prestigious college and is a very historic cemetery. In the spring they have daffodil walks on what is called daffodil hill. I have seen weddings next to the beautiful lake in the chapel there. They have walking tours, talks, special events with music there in the summer. I always see college students running/ jogging. Everyone that lives near by walks their dogs there. It is over 285 acres, with memorials to past US presidents, and a lot of very prominent people from the area. Its one of my all time favorite places to walk. I find such peace there. Walking trails and walking sidewalks for me just has to much 'noise' to allow me to center myself on my walks, if that makes sense?
Everyone is very respectful of the area though....
(well except when PokemonGo first started raids.... that didnt end well and the gyms were all removed from the cemetery, which I completely understood and agreed with)
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Post by littlemama on Apr 23, 2024 14:42:11 GMT
I think people walk at cemeteries because they have less traffic than the roads and are usually peaceful and scenic. I dont have an issue with people walking in a cemetery as long as they are respectful. By respectful, I mean sticking to the roads and keeping conversation quiet when there are others in the area.
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Post by melanell on Apr 23, 2024 14:50:43 GMT
I think people walk at cemeteries because they have less traffic than the roads and are usually peaceful and scenic. Yes, I have heard people mention choosing them because they felt they were a safer place to walk---particularly in areas without parks or walking trails. Sometimes they mean safe as in safe from crime, but other times as you said, safe due to the lack of vehicular traffic.
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Post by gigito7 on Apr 23, 2024 15:36:48 GMT
My daughter is buried at Arlington in Sandy Springs, Ga. It is a gorgeous place and very quiet and serene despite being flanked by busy streets. I would walk there if I lived close. When we visit there, we are respectful of funerals and mourners especially if it is close to my daughter’s grave but we still visit her grave. I am so sorry for your loss, it’s awful to lose a loved one but losing a child is the absolute worst. Be easy with yourself.
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Post by katlady on Apr 23, 2024 16:02:58 GMT
I think people walk at cemeteries because they have less traffic than the roads and are usually peaceful and scenic. Yes, I have heard people mention choosing them because they felt they were a safer place to walk---particularly in areas without parks or walking trails. Sometimes they mean safe as in safe from crime, but other times as you said, safe due to the lack of vehicular traffic. Cemeteries are not totally safe. People have been robbed and cars broken into. People are distracted. Even walkers can be robbed if they are alone and not aware of their surroundings.
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 23, 2024 16:13:33 GMT
I am so sorry for the loss of your daughter.
Yes I would walk in a cemetery, I would be respectful of services and people visiting graves.
We often visit random cemeteries wherever we are. They are full of memories and history. Now with the amazing grave stones with the etched pictures they are also a beautiful place, although a place to be reverent. For example I automatically make sure the radio is off or down very very low when driving into one.
IMO, I feel that a cemetery is to memorialize people important to us, those that we loved and lost. I feel sad when you see overgrown cemeteries that obviously have no visitor at all. I would rather see cemeteries where people are. I think people should be respectful of others though.
There are families that get together at gravesites and celebrate their loved one, so sometimes they can be places of love and laughter. It is just important to recognize how to be respectful of everyone there visiting their loved ones.
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Post by grammadee on Apr 23, 2024 16:21:15 GMT
I don't go on walking routes except around the farm, and I don't do a regular walking lap routine. But if I did live in an urban area I would look for areas with trees and grass and what felt like fresh air, because I walk for my own peace, not to rev up my energy. So I might choose to walk the cemetery, especially if it gave me a connection to a loved one who rested there.
I am sorry these people seem insensitive. More likely they are oblivious to what is going on around them. People who are using the cemetery as part of their fitness routine should show respect for the gravesites and the mourners.
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Post by naby64 on Apr 23, 2024 16:41:45 GMT
First, I am very sorry for the loss of your daughter. I can't imagine the pain that you are in. Your feelings are your feelings and no one can take that away.
My thoughts on this are if we had a nice enough cemetery to walk through, I very well might walk through there. The oldest cemetery we have in our town has gorgeous areas, very green, older trees and statues and ornate tombstones. The reason I don't go there is that it is in a not so good part of town and the area is just paved for cars to drive through. I love seeing historic markers and such. I can also see, if I had a loved one, that walking nearby could make me feel closer to them. My dad is buried 3 hours away so I feel I miss out on "checking in".
I do think if people are walking in these areas they need to be cognizant and if there is a burial/families gathering to walk somewhere else. There should be posted signs to alert folks on this.
I wonder if these walkers might have someone buried there. This may be their way of getting fresh air, walking with a friend and being near their loved ones.
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Post by kate on Apr 23, 2024 19:14:15 GMT
I am so very sorry for your loss. We have some famous cemeteries with public activities, tours, etc. (DS's citywide band used to play a big Memorial Day concert at one of them), so I am accustomed to having them be public-use spaces. I don't think it's inherently disrespectful to exercise there. I do think it would be disrespectful to blast your workout playlist. But like always, read the room! This about sums it up for me.
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Post by *sprout* on Apr 23, 2024 19:24:34 GMT
Before my friend moved, she lived close to a large city cemetery. She and I used that one to train for a 5k. The perimeter was almost exactly 1 mile, with other roads in the middle, and there were enough hills that it was great for 2 beginners. We were always respectful of anyone paying their respects to loved ones, and we never ran while there was a service.
When my dd was learning to drive, we visited a few large cemeteries in the big city nearby. The combination of the slow speed, lack of traffic, and the ability to make different routes helped her feel comfortable behind the wheel. Again, we didn't drive by anyone visiting a gravesite and we didn't drive around if there was a service going on.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Apr 23, 2024 22:10:01 GMT
I dislike the concept of cemeteries personally but respect that others find them meaningful. I visit my grandparents’ graves in an old historic cemetery in Atlanta every so often. My parents were cremated and their ashes spread at sea. I also wish to be cremated and returned to nature.
I’m sorry for your grief and pain as a result of losing your daughter. I would respect your desire to visit undisturbed at her graveside.
We don’t have any cemeteries in our town that really lend themselves to recreational pursuits.
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Post by sueg on Apr 24, 2024 6:33:51 GMT
Cemeteries are not totally safe. People have been robbed and cars broken into. People are distracted. Even walkers can be robbed if they are alone and not aware of their surroundings. I think this very much depends on where you are. I always walked to the cemetery I wandered around, so no car to break into. No cars in the cemetery ground, so no safety issue with that either. There were very few people around at the time I walked (mid-morning) so it would have been fairly obvious if someone was following me. I also was only ever carrying keys and my phone on me, so not much to steal. I also am aware that I live in a VERY safe city - I walk home alone late at night without feeling in any danger of being mugged or assaulted. I realise this is not the case for many others.
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Post by katlady on Apr 24, 2024 6:43:12 GMT
Cemeteries are not totally safe. People have been robbed and cars broken into. People are distracted. Even walkers can be robbed if they are alone and not aware of their surroundings. I think this very much depends on where you are. I always walked to the cemetery I wandered around, so no car to break into. No cars in the cemetery ground, so no safety issue with that either. There were very few people around at the time I walked (mid-morning) so it would have been fairly obvious if someone was following me. I also was only ever carrying keys and my phone on me, so not much to steal. I also am aware that I live in a VERY safe city - I walk home alone late at night without feeling in any danger of being mugged or assaulted. I realise this is not the case for many others. Yes, truly depends on your area. Here is an article from just this year about robberies in Los Angeles. Forest Lawn is a huge cemetery. www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/increase-in-car-robberies-at-la-area-cemeteries/3323710/?amp=1There were also car break-ins at a National cemetery here in San Diego. When we were in New Orleans, we wanted to go see one of the old cemeteries in the city. We were told not to go alone, but go in a tour group.
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Post by 3boysnme on Apr 24, 2024 9:45:53 GMT
I've walked in a cemetery near my apartment a few times. It is a beautiful, serene place. It's how I found out a former vice president was laid to rest there. If I didn't go for a walk there, I would never have known that.
However, if there were people obviously there to honor their loved ones, or a burial ceremony, I would leave.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2024 18:14:42 GMT
I don't see anything wrong with walking in a cemetery. But don't play music, headphones only, don't talk loudly/laugh with a companion if there is a service going on or people visiting a site.
My husband walks daily and goes through the local cemetery. He's by himself and as far as I know he is quiet. However he does talk on his phone for work sometimes but I'll remind him to keep it down. I know if he saw a service going on he would not be loud, however I will warn him to be quiet if he sees someone at a site, possibly grieving.
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