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Post by katlady on Apr 28, 2024 16:11:42 GMT
Our friends in the UK and Australia will know, but I just learned that there are special keys that allow handicapped people to access handicapped restrooms. We don’t have such a thing here in the US, that I know of. Some public restrooms may be locked or have a code, but you just ask the employee for the key/code. We don’t carry around our own key. I can’t imagine every place having to install these special locks on their handicapped restrooms/stalls.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 28, 2024 16:18:49 GMT
Shows the general attitude toward those who are elderly, disabled or different.
Think how many use a handicapped parking spot for 'just a few minutes'
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Post by katlady on Apr 28, 2024 16:28:45 GMT
Shows the general attitude toward those who are elderly, disabled or different. Think how many use a handicapped parking spot for 'just a few minutes' I guess I don’t quite understand your comment. Can you elaborate more? I am thinking of how if you forget your key, you either have to find someone to unlock the door or you have to find a regular restroom. In the article I read, the lady had to go upstairs and down a long hall because she forgot her key. And what if you are a foreign tourist with a handicap? You won’t be able to use the handicapped restroom.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 28, 2024 16:31:43 GMT
Shows the general attitude toward those who are elderly, disabled or different. Think how many use a handicapped parking spot for 'just a few minutes' I disagree, it’s exactly the opposite. In the US everyone can access restrooms for free almost everywhere. Not so in other countries. There are many reasons one might need a bigger stall in the bathroom and we shouldn’t put up barriers to accessing any bathrooms or any stalls.
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Post by scrapmaven on Apr 28, 2024 16:32:26 GMT
I've never seen a handicapped restroom w/locks or any sort of security. I will tell you that my experience is that when people see me on my scooter or using my walker they are very considerate and helpful. The walker makes handicapped restrooms necessary, because it's bulky.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 28, 2024 16:41:22 GMT
There are a lot of reasons people use that stall that don't have a permanent disability that are legitimate reasons. In addition, at events they are used as another stall to keep the line moving.
I won't say it hasn't happened, but in my experience, if someone with a real need is in line, they get that stall and people wait.
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Post by mich5481 on Apr 28, 2024 16:48:50 GMT
Shows the general attitude toward those who are elderly, disabled or different. Think how many use a handicapped parking spot for 'just a few minutes' I guess I don’t quite understand your comment. Can you elaborate more? I am thinking of how if you forget your key, you either have to find someone to unlock the door or you have to find a regular restroom. In the article I read, the lady had to go upstairs and down a long hall because she forgot her key. And what if you are a foreign tourist with a handicap? You won’t be able to use the handicapped restroom. Or what if you have a temporary need? For example, when I broke my back, the handle bars were extremely helpful, but once I healed, I don't really have a need for them. What about mothers who use them because the changing table is frequently in the handicapped stall? I can see a lot of negatives with these radar keys - how would they be issued? Would doctors be able to hand them out, or would people have to go to the DMV with a prescription (like people who need the handicapped parking placards do)? Who would pay for the costs of the required bureaucracy? Would cards expire after a certain length of time? Would they need to be updated as more stalls were added/changed? What happens if the technology in the readers and the cards no longer syncs? (This happened in Florida with electronic toll pass systems in the past) Is there a universal standard between different areas, or does each jurisdiction have their own system? (Again, back to Florida, they have their own system that did not communicate with EZ Pass state systems)
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Post by katybee on Apr 28, 2024 17:15:01 GMT
I do not have a problem using a handicapped stall. You’re typically in the bathroom for minutes. It’s completely different from taking a handicapped parking spot. If I go into a bathroom with two stalls, one accessible, one not….and the non-accessible stall is taken, I’m going to use the accessible one. Without a second thought. And I’m not alone…that seems to be the norm everywhere I’ve lived. It seems silly for a bathroom stall to sit empty while others are waiting.
Obviously, If it were clear someone needed it, I would step aside.
Am I just completely rude and clueless?
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Post by mich5481 on Apr 28, 2024 17:15:41 GMT
I do not have a problem using a handicapped stall. You’re typically in the bathroom for minutes. It’s completely different from taking a handicapped parking spot. If I go into a bathroom with two stalls, one accessible, one not….and the non-accessible stall is taken, I’m going to use the accessible one. Without a second thought. And I’m not alone…that seems to be the norm everywhere I’ve lived. It seems silly for a bathroom stall to sit empty while others are waiting. Obviously, If it were clear someone needed it, I would step aside. Am I just completely rude and clueless? Not in my book.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 28, 2024 17:25:51 GMT
Sorry, but the larger stall should not sit empty while people wait in line. If there is a disabled person in need of it, then they should be allowed to go ahead of others waiting in line.
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Post by worrywart on Apr 28, 2024 18:01:35 GMT
I would never park in a handicap place but I have and would have no problem using a handicapped stall if no one is waiting for it.
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Post by Zee on Apr 28, 2024 19:00:25 GMT
Shows the general attitude toward those who are elderly, disabled or different. Think how many use a handicapped parking spot for 'just a few minutes' I actually see people being very helpful to elderly or disabled folks, and people who use handicapped spots without a placard are generally looked down upon by most everyone. That doesn't mean there aren't people who take advantage, but I try not to judge because not all disabilities are immediately visible.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Apr 28, 2024 19:57:08 GMT
Seems to me adding a key is just creating another barrier for disabled people and is completely unnecessary.
I agree that if the big stall is open and no one who obviously needs it is waiting it is fair game. No one is spending much time in there so even if someone comes in while it is being used it shouldn't be a long wait.
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Post by Linda on Apr 28, 2024 20:31:35 GMT
I think (and UK peas correct me if I'm wrong) but we're not talking about a large accessible stall in a bank of toilets. We're talking about a separate accessible toilet accessed with a universal key (RADAR key). There would be men's toilets, women's toilets, and an accessible toilet (which the radar key opens). The accessible toilet has extra space for wheelchair users and caregiver if needed, bars, accessible handwashing/drying etc...it might include changing facilities for older children/adults as well. They are typically accessible 24/7 (which not all public toilets are). The key helps prevent vandalism and unhoused people from camping out in them
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Post by zippythebird on Apr 28, 2024 20:32:29 GMT
www.which.co.uk/reviews/mobility-equipment/article/what-is-a-radar-key-aP9U67T7CMX1here is a link explaining RADAR KEYS & the special toliets They give access to. Tht toliets are not just bigger stalls They are specilly equipped bathrooms with adult changing facilities & they are kept locked for a reason to prevent misuse and vandelisim . There are 1000's of unlocked disabled toliets which are pretty basic larger stalls for greater access because it is law to have them alongside regular stalls . These toliets that require a RADAR key are kitted out with expensive equipment for people with severe disabilities which would be rended useless if Vandelised which in turn would prevent people with disabilites to go outside . I Myself have a key due to a long term illness
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Post by katlady on Apr 28, 2024 20:53:09 GMT
Here in the US we often have “family restrooms”. They are large, made for people with handicaps or with children. It is not a stall, but a very big single toilet restroom. They have special grip bars, changing tables, etc. Is this like the restrooms that use radar keys? These are usually not locked. Anyone can access them.
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Post by Linda on Apr 28, 2024 21:36:19 GMT
Here in the US we often have “family restrooms”. They are large, made for people with handicaps or with children. It is not a stall, but a very big single toilet restroom. They have special grip bars, changing tables, etc. Is this like the restrooms that use radar keys? These are usually not locked. Anyone can access them. similar I think but the family restrooms lack some of the specialised equipment that you might find in the RADAR key equipped toilets - hoists and changing spots for older children/adults who need to be horizontal for toileting care for example Here's an example of a Changing Places accessible toilet - not all RADAR key toilets are like this but one like this gives people the opportunity to go out and about who wouldn't otherwise be able to. www.changing-places.org/
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Post by kamper on Apr 28, 2024 22:00:51 GMT
Here in the US we often have “family restrooms”. They are large, made for people with handicaps or with children. It is not a stall, but a very big single toilet restroom. They have special grip bars, changing tables, etc. Is this like the restrooms that use radar keys? These are usually not locked. Anyone can access them. Free public restrooms are not a thing in many countries outside the US.
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Post by gar on Apr 28, 2024 22:15:44 GMT
Here in the US we often have “family restrooms”. They are large, made for people with handicaps or with children. It is not a stall, but a very big single toilet restroom. They have special grip bars, changing tables, etc. Is this like the restrooms that use radar keys? These are usually not locked. Anyone can access them. Free public restrooms are not a thing in many countries outside the US. I’m curious where you might mean. They are ‘a thing’ in the uk and I’m trying to remember about other countries I’ve been to…I don’t recall having problems finding public loos.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 28, 2024 22:21:35 GMT
In the US handicapped restrooms use is not limited to wheelchair bound persons or even to permanently disabled persons. Unlike parking spots the restrooms, at least in most cases, do not have that kind of limitation. They are open to elderly or people with temporary injuries that might benefit from the assistance of the grab bars & the higher height of the toilet, no special pass required. No need to have them locked up.
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Post by zippythebird on Apr 28, 2024 22:25:30 GMT
The only public bathrooms that are not free seem to be in Aitports & major Train stations here in the UK . The main issue is public toilets get vandlelized alot Here in the UK ( it's a national past time for yobs ) & it gets to a point where local councils/ Authorities rather than spend money on repairs they just remine closed .
The public facilites in My seaside town are locked at night to stop the homeless using them to sleep in do drugs in & vandalise them etc .
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Post by lesley on Apr 29, 2024 0:19:05 GMT
My daughter has a radar key and finds it a godsend. As others have explained, it gives access to a room with specialist equipment/facilities, not just a bigger stall in a bank of toilets. And because Joe Public cannot access them, they tend to remain clean and well stocked.
And can I just say, I absolutely hate the words handicapped and also wheelchair-bound. 😬 My DD states her wheelchair does the opposite of bind her - it has re-opened the world to her, allowing her to move independently. I always say wheelchair user. 😊
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Post by theshyone on Apr 29, 2024 6:04:47 GMT
My daughter ordered the uk key before her trip, I’m curious myself as to how it works out for her. She did say paris was terrible for accessibility in restrooms.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Apr 29, 2024 9:39:22 GMT
Here in the US we often have “family restrooms”. They are large, made for people with handicaps or with children. It is not a stall, but a very big single toilet restroom. They have special grip bars, changing tables, etc. Is this like the restrooms that use radar keys? These are usually not locked. Anyone can access them. similar I think but the family restrooms lack some of the specialised equipment that you might find in the RADAR key equipped toilets - hoists and changing spots for older children/adults who need to be horizontal for toileting care for example Here's an example of a Changing Places accessible toilet - not all RADAR key toilets are like this but one like this gives people the opportunity to go out and about who wouldn't otherwise be able to. www.changing-places.org/Wow! That is amazing! I have never seen a facility like that in the U.S.
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Post by bessieb on Apr 29, 2024 11:34:05 GMT
In UK where I live it’s designed to give disabled people better access and prevent those who don’t need that access from abusing it- for example some of our local nature reserves have them on barriers across tracks stopping people driving cars/ motorcycles through the reserves, but disabled people with a radar key can unlock the barrier to drive closer to the hides etc.
They are a great tool for keeping disabled facilities free/clear for those that really need to use it.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Apr 29, 2024 11:57:18 GMT
My daughter has a radar key and finds it a godsend. As others have explained, it gives access to a room with specialist equipment/facilities, not just a bigger stall in a bank of toilets. And because Joe Public cannot access them, they tend to remain clean and well stocked. And can I just say, I absolutely hate the words handicapped and also wheelchair-bound. 😬 My DD states her wheelchair does the opposite of bind her - it has re-opened the world to her, allowing her to move independently. I always say wheelchair user. 😊 I agree about the language. I am surprised so many people are using handicapped in this thread. I thought that word had been retired. Like how we don't say "committed suicide" anymore. The proper term really is disabled as has been for quite some time.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Apr 29, 2024 11:58:52 GMT
Now that I understand what the radar key is used for and what it accesses I think it is wonderful and wish more places could and would create spaces like that.
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Post by mich5481 on Apr 29, 2024 12:09:45 GMT
I agree about the language. I am surprised so many people are using handicapped in this thread. I thought that word had been retired. Like how we don't say "committed suicide" anymore. The proper term really is disabled as has been for quite some time. Maybe I've been living under a rock, but what is the proper phrase for someone who kills themselves?
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Post by disneypal on Apr 29, 2024 12:22:40 GMT
I agree about the language. I am surprised so many people are using handicapped in this thread. I thought that word had been retired. Like how we don't say "committed suicide" anymore. The proper term really is disabled as has been for quite some time. Maybe I've been living under a rock, but what is the proper phrase for someone who kills themselves? Most now say “They died by suicide”
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Post by disneypal on Apr 29, 2024 12:27:27 GMT
My friend and I were just discussing US women’s public restrooms a couple of days ago. We said “why don’t they make ALL stalls accessible, not just one?” Also, we said, “why is the baby changing station almost always in the accessible stall?”. I know it’s because it’s bigger, but it ties up the stall for a person that might need it, but they have to wait because a baby is being changed in there.
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