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Post by crazy4scraps on May 3, 2024 14:16:03 GMT
My artistic kid has been in a design and model class all year and has REALLY taken an interest in embroidery digitizing. She’s been using a Melco multi needle embroidery machine at school with the Melco digitizing software which she basically taught herself to use, and has also been converting them into digitized designs that we can use on our smaller single needle machine at home (which DH recently upgraded for us to a Brother PE900). She loves it, but since she’s in her last year at that school she won’t have access to either of those things after this month and the high school she’s going to next year doesn’t have embroidery equipment in their maker space. 😢 Her teacher admittedly doesn’t know much about the machine itself or the software, just enough to get by. They also have a computerized cutter, 3D printer, laser cutter, sewing machine, etc. so there’s a lot of stuff her teacher has to know at least the basics on. I’ve been doing a little research and OMG all of that digitizing software is crazy expensive! Like $1000+ dollars expensive. I’d like to get her something she can use on her computer at home but having never done any digitizing myself I don’t even know what I’m looking at to compare. She wouldn’t need anything commercial level, but even the hobbyist level programs are several hundred bucks and I don’t know what they do or don’t do that she would want or need. Since many of the Peas are crafty and collectively usually know something about everything, I figured I would ask here first what might be good options to explore before going down the rabbit hole of talking to random people in quilt shops where embroidery machines are sold, etc. Anyone know anything about this stuff?
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Post by styxgirl on May 3, 2024 14:59:11 GMT
I do embroidery digitizing. I have a 15 needle machine and also a Brother 4500D single needle.
I use Wilcom Hatch, one of the $1,000+ brands. ;-)
Since you just upgraded your single needle to a new brother machine, if you bought it new, check with the store you bought it from. It may have a version of of PE design that comes with it.
I have heard lots of people mention Floriani and Embrilliance but I have never used them.
I chose Wilcom Hatch because it had the best training courses and support for the software. It is expensive, but they do have a monthly payment plan and a sale twice a year with a couple hundred dollars off.
If you have Facebook, there are several machine embroidery design groups that you could join in just search for previous posts of people asking for the best inexpensive software. Someone ask those questions often on those groups so there should be up-to-date information.
Also, many brands of the software offer a free 30 day trial. Some are full versions for the trial. Some are limited features. That may be a way for her to try some out to see which she likes the best.
It’s so cool that she wants to continue her design journey and being creative. Best wishes to you both!
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Post by samantha25 on May 3, 2024 15:03:24 GMT
What about the maker space at the library?
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 3, 2024 20:33:17 GMT
What about the maker space at the library? Our libraries have 3D printers and Cricut machines but no embroidery equipment. We have an embroidery machine she can use at home for premade designs, but what we’re lacking is the software to digitize which is what she is most interested in because she wants to digitize her own artwork. That’s where we run into a wall.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 3, 2024 21:01:22 GMT
styxgirl Thanks for responding, this is all really helpful. DH bought the new machine from Amazon so there’s no store to go back to. It does have a janky Brother iPad Artspira app that you can supposedly make designs on, but neither of us is very impressed with it. It has almost no features and you have to pay a monthly subscription to even do basic stuff. I’m not opposed to paying for something good, but that isn’t it and I don’t want to spend a bunch of money on something she won’t like. I do really like a lot of the features the new Brother machine has over my ancient Bernina Deco 650 which was seriously underutilized and now it’s basically obsolete. She said her school used to have Hatch on all of the makerspace lab computers but now they don’t, and just one computer in the lab has the Melco software on it which she seems to like. LOL, she’s kind of the teacher’s pet now since she dove in head first and taught herself how to use it. Since then she has helped a bunch of other kids in class with it too but none of them have really taken the time like she did to learn it as well as she has. I’ll have to look into some of the packages that offer a free trial, but it won’t make sense to do that until she’s done with school for the year and would have more free time to really dig in and mess around with it. Our other issue is that my HP computer is older than dirt, my 2019 MacBook Pro needs a $700 repair and her gaming laptop computer is basically out of memory. 🤦🏻♀️ I told her that if she gets really good at digitizing it could be a nice little side gig for her vs. getting a fast food or other part time job while she’s in school. I’ve been impressed with the quality of the patches and things she has brought home that she made at school from artwork she digitized herself, and the related files she saved for our machine have also sewn out nicely once I got the tension dialed in correctly, so 🤞 we can find something workable that won’t totally break the bank.
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Post by nlwilkins on May 3, 2024 22:48:40 GMT
I used to teach in a local Bernina store - the store also sold other brands. Yes the software to make your own designs is pretty expensive. Plus there is also the machine to stitch the designs out. Both my Berninas (the 830, and the 630) could stitch out the embroidery designs, I just had to attach the embroidery unit (single needle). The bigger machine was sold eventually as it was too heavy for me to carry in for maintainance. There are a lot of free embroidery designs to be had online without having to create your own though.
It really takes a lot of work and stitching to make sure your designs are going to look good and have enough understitching and stitch out great on your machine. I have broke many a needle on poor designs that are so thick the needle can't get through because the digitizer did not bother to remove the extra overlaps. It looks so easy but there is a lot of hidden work and expertise that is needed to create good designs - not sayng your daughter can't do it, it is rewarding work. But start up expenses can really run high. One way she perhaps could get started is to look for a local sewing machine shop that she could work out of using their machines and let the local shop earn a commission on what is sold. It would be a way to advertise to the customers what is available and perhaps even sell a few machines for them.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 3, 2024 23:33:44 GMT
That sounds like a fun and interesting class! This thread reminds me of the time 20+ years ago that I spent $2500 on an embroidery sewing machine (and that was second hand!). The number of times I used that machine to do embroidery was exactly zero. The machine is now sitting in the shed, and on the rare occasion I need to sew something, I use my much cheaper machine. The point of mentioning that, is I bought my machine second hand for $2500, and new they were about $6000. It's worth checking out stores and online, to see if you can find any second hand equipment cheaper. Maybe some stores have a older test model that they are looking to replace.
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Post by samantha25 on May 3, 2024 23:46:29 GMT
Is there a way you could "rent" a copy of the software from the school or the college library or community library? or a monthly subscription?
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 4, 2024 2:20:59 GMT
nlwilkins We have two embroidery machines at home already, an old Bernina 650 Deco that I’ve had for 20 years and a brand new Brother PE900, that’s not the issue. I know all about downloading readymade designs and stitching them out. She has spent the whole school year basically monopolizing the one computer that has the digitizing software in her school’s makerspace lab classroom, learning how to use it and the commercial Melco machine. She has made quite a few digitized designs that she formatted for the Melco at school and the smaller ones that will fit our hoops she also converted into the PES format that our home machines use, and IMO they look nice stitched out. She has done a good job with it and would like to continue learning how to do it so she can digitize her own artwork (she is a self taught digital artist in her own right, and is also very good at that). We don’t have the software at home, and after this month she won’t have access to it at school either because she will be attending the high school next year which doesn’t have the software or the equipment. I’m afraid at 13 she’s a little too young to get a job at a sewing store. She’s more interested in learning to improve her digitizing so she can do the artistic stuff she wants to do. At this point it’s more of a hobby but if she gets really good at it I could see it being a nice little work from home part time job. Right now she has been doing avatar art commissions for other kids and getting paid with Robucks, so she’d really love something she could eventually do for real money, LOL.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 4, 2024 2:37:20 GMT
That sounds like a fun and interesting class! This thread reminds me of the time 20+ years ago that I spent $2500 on an embroidery sewing machine (and that was second hand!). The number of times I used that machine to do embroidery was exactly zero. The machine is now sitting in the shed, and on the rare occasion I need to sew something, I use my much cheaper machine. The point of mentioning that, is I bought my machine second hand for $2500, and new they were about $6000. It's worth checking out stores and online, to see if you can find any second hand equipment cheaper. Maybe some stores have an older test model that they are looking to replace. I know, right? I would have been in heaven in that class at her age! I know what you’re talking about spending a bunch of money on a machine you barely used. That was my Bernina Deco. My friend had one and I just had to have one too! It was about $600 new, IIRC, which was still a lot at that time. I did use it some to do work shirts for myself and some other things, but I definitely didn’t use it as much as I could have. A big problem with it was that the converter box I had to convert the designs and save them onto the card that machine needed to read them from became obsolete a number of years ago, so I was stuck with no way to write the designs to the card. Around Christmas, she expressed a desire to use the machine to do some stuff at home that she had digitized at school, so we found a used converter box on eBay, but we were really bumping up against the size issue because we couldn’t do anything bigger than 4”x4”. DH bought us the new machine that takes the bigger hoops about a month ago, so now we can do bigger projects. It’s really nice, has wireless capability so we can just send the designs (either commercial ones we buy or the ones she does herself at school) from the computer directly over wifi to the machine. I think it was about $1300 new, so still kind of expensive but nothing like what a commercial multi needle machine would cost. Those do run into the thousands of dollars even used. We need the software so she can digitize her own designs, and that’s expensive too which is why I was looking for some input as far as which ones might be worth looking at so I don’t get something that won’t do what she needs.
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Post by Basket1lady on May 4, 2024 7:00:36 GMT
Perhaps if she talks to her teacher, she could come in once or twice a month after school and use the equipment?
I did an independent study in HS when I was a yearbook editor. Perhaps she could work something like that into her schedule in the coming years?
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Post by mikklynn on May 4, 2024 14:25:16 GMT
I just have to add - that is all really impressive for a middle school student! I love how you and your DH are supporting her.
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Post by styxgirl on May 4, 2024 14:54:55 GMT
janky Brother iPad Artspira app The Artspira app is crap. LOL I saw the name and knew they were trying too hard to market a crappy product. my 2019 MacBook Pro needs a $700 repair If you get your laptop repaired, I wouldn't count on it as a computer to use for embroidery software. Most (maybe all?) are created for Windows. Some folks that have Macs run windows software like Parallels. But many report stability issues and program crashes. Another place to check would be if there is a college nearby to you. Some of them have maker-spaces that non-students can join for a monthly fee. Our state college has one and they have so much! Embroidery machines, wood shop, metal shop, 3D printers, CAD machines, Banner Printers. So much more. It's wild! She would love that!
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Post by styxgirl on May 4, 2024 15:01:46 GMT
the high school she’s going to next year doesn’t have embroidery equipment Question ... will you still live near her old school? If so ... Since she's used the software and is more familiar with it than the teacher, I wonder if she could volunteer to be a mentor to other kids coming in to the school in exchange for computer time to work on her creations? I know, not the same as having open access to the program when inspiration strikes at home ... but at least she could still do her thing! Edited to add: Ope! I just saw how busy her schedule will be! Darn it!
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 4, 2024 15:11:56 GMT
Perhaps if she talks to her teacher, she could come in once or twice a month after school and use the equipment? I did an independent study in HS when I was a yearbook editor. Perhaps she could work something like that into her schedule in the coming years? At spring conferences, I suggested maybe she could come in as a TA at some point and the teacher wasn’t opposed to that, but now we know that DD won’t have any wiggle room in her HS schedule for at least two years. 😩 The teacher said DD could come after school if there is a time when the teacher is there anyway (she is an advisor for at least one group), but we don’t know yet when DD’s after school groups are going to meet next year since it’s a totally different school with different extracurricular groups so it will be a wait and see kind of thing. Plus she is getting busier with independent music lessons and will have more AP classes next year so homework will eat up more of her after school hours.
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Post by Gigi42 on May 4, 2024 15:13:14 GMT
Hi
I just wanted to pop in and encourage you to look into the Embrilliance software. They have a wonderful website about their levels of embroidery software they offer. Also if you look up Lisa Shaw on YouTube she is their instructor and has lots of videos and classes. I like this software because it is different levels depending on what you want to do. It’s reasonably priced (under $1000) and frequent sales and discounts.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 4, 2024 15:30:55 GMT
I just have to add - that is all really impressive for a middle school student! I love how you and your DH are supporting her. I know I’m somewhat biased because I’m the mom, LOL, but she really is a very talented person all the way around. I’m artistic myself and went to art school. I look at her illustrations with a critical eye and I’m blown away by what she has taught herself to do. Her band teacher raves about how great she is there too (out of the 53 kids in her band class, he awarded her one of four scholarships to an elite music camp this summer). And then on top of all that she has pulled down straight A’s all throughout middle school, taking every AP class they have offered, and has done volunteer work to maintain her status in the junior honor society all three years. We’re so proud of all of her accomplishments and do whatever we can to help her build on them.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 4, 2024 15:34:52 GMT
janky Brother iPad Artspira app The Artspira app is crap. LOL I saw the name and knew they were trying too hard to market a crappy product. my 2019 MacBook Pro needs a $700 repair If you get your laptop repaired, I wouldn't count on it as a computer to use for embroidery software. Most (maybe all?) are created for Windows. Some folks that have Macs run windows software like Parallels. But many report stability issues and program crashes. Another place to check would be if there is a college nearby to you. Some of them have maker-spaces that non-students can join for a monthly fee. Our state college has one and they have so much! Embroidery machines, wood shop, metal shop, 3D printers, CAD machines, Banner Printers. So much more. It's wild! She would love that! That’s a good idea. I’ll have to check this out and see if that might be an option for her. She will end up doing some PSEO classes at the nearby community college anyway, probably in 10th grade because she’s so far ahead in her required HS classes already.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 4, 2024 15:47:13 GMT
the high school she’s going to next year doesn’t have embroidery equipment Question ... will you still live near her old school? If so ... Since she's used the software and is more familiar with it than the teacher, I wonder if she could volunteer to be a mentor to other kids coming in to the school in exchange for computer time to work on her creations? I know, not the same as having open access to the program when inspiration strikes at home ... but at least she could still do her thing! Edited to add: Ope! I just saw how busy her schedule will be! Darn it! Yes, and it’s just killing her that to get the foreign language requirement she might need for college out of the way her only other elective will be band (which is a non-negotiable for her, she loves it) for the next two years. 😞 She won’t be able to take the HS equivalent to her current makerspace class until she’s in 11th grade and that feels like a lifetime to her right now. I’m just glad I have so much of my own equipment in my studio that she can mess around with in her downtime on weekends and in the summer. (Computerized cutter/software, embroidery machine, heat press, sublimation printer, 3D printer, sewing machines. Plus she has her own iPad and Apple Pencil that she uses for her digital artwork that she paid for herself with money she earned mowing grass and shoveling snow.) We do live pretty close to her current school and I wouldn’t be opposed to getting her there after school if we can at all make it work next year. The middle school and high school are less than ten minutes apart by car.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 4, 2024 15:53:21 GMT
Hi I just wanted to pop in and encourage you to look into the Embrilliance software. They have a wonderful website about their levels of embroidery software they offer. Also if you look up Lisa Shaw on YouTube she is their instructor and has lots of videos and classes. I like this software because it is different levels depending on what you want to do. It’s reasonably priced (under $1000) and frequent sales and discounts. Thank you, that was one I’ve seen mentioned a lot so it’s good to hear an unbiased review for it. ❤️ I’ll have to have her really look at the specs for each level and see how it compares to what she’s using now. If they have a trial she can do, she can try it out once she is out of school and has more time. I’ll also check out the YouTube channel you suggested and have her take a look at that too.
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Post by Basket1lady on May 4, 2024 17:25:51 GMT
Question ... will you still live near her old school? If so ... Since she's used the software and is more familiar with it than the teacher, I wonder if she could volunteer to be a mentor to other kids coming in to the school in exchange for computer time to work on her creations? I know, not the same as having open access to the program when inspiration strikes at home ... but at least she could still do her thing! Edited to add: Ope! I just saw how busy her schedule will be! Darn it! Yes, and it’s just killing her that to get the foreign language requirement she might need for college out of the way her only other elective will be band (which is a non-negotiable for her, she loves it) for the next two years. 😞 She won’t be able to take the HS equivalent to her current makerspace class until she’s in 11th grade and that feels like a lifetime to her right now. I’m just glad I have so much of my own equipment in my studio that she can mess around with in her downtime on weekends and in the summer. (Computerized cutter/software, embroidery machine, heat press, sublimation printer, 3D printer, sewing machines. Plus she has her own iPad and Apple Pencil that she uses for her digital artwork that she paid for herself with money she earned mowing grass and shoveling snow.) We do live pretty close to her current school and I wouldn’t be opposed to getting her there after school if we can at all make it work next year. The middle school and high school are less than ten minutes apart by car. Can she earn HS credit for a college course? DD took her language classes at a community college over several summers and it freed up class space in her regular schedule.
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Post by caangel on May 4, 2024 18:23:38 GMT
Both of my hs kids are doing their language online via our local community college this summer too.
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Post by Amy on May 4, 2024 20:06:15 GMT
I would recommend Embrillance because it has many modules and you can just buy one or two until you have the full software. A bonus if you use Mac, that software is MAC-friendly!
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 5, 2024 3:11:48 GMT
Can she earn HS credit for a college course? DD took her language classes at a community college over several summers and it freed up class space in her regular schedule. Both of my hs kids are doing their language online via our local community college this summer too. That’s a good idea and something we’ll have to look at. She has already requested Spanish I for next year as one of her two electives and I don’t think she can change it at this point, but if she could do it the following summer instead of taking it during the school year it would open up more options for her. They did tell her that with such a heavy academic load (advanced math, English, science, history), Spanish would be a bit of a break since they said she won’t get any homework in that class. It sucks that there are so many things she wants to do and there is just no room in her schedule. As it is she probably is going to end up taking a semester of phy ed and health online just to get them done since they’re both required classes.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 5, 2024 3:13:13 GMT
I would recommend Embrillance because it has many modules and you can just buy one or two until you have the full software. A bonus if you use Mac, that software is MAC-friendly! I’m going to check that one out! Thanks for the recommendation.
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Post by caangel on May 5, 2024 4:51:45 GMT
Can she earn HS credit for a college course? DD took her language classes at a community college over several summers and it freed up class space in her regular schedule. Both of my hs kids are doing their language online via our local community college this summer too. That’s a good idea and something we’ll have to look at. She has already requested Spanish I for next year as one of her two electives and I don’t think she can change it at this point, but if she could do it the following summer instead of taking it during the school year it would open up more options for her. They did tell her that with such a heavy academic load (advanced math, English, science, history), Spanish would be a bit of a break since they said she won’t get any homework in that class. It sucks that there are so many things she wants to do and there is just no room in her schedule. As it is she probably is going to end up taking a semester of phy ed and health online just to get them done since they’re both required classes. Obviously every system works a little differently but for my kids 1 summer college language class equal 2yrs of HS language classes. My daughter is completing HS Spanish 1&2 this summer. My son is doing HS Spanish 3&4. Hopefully it is similar for your DD.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 5, 2024 16:41:16 GMT
That’s a good idea and something we’ll have to look at. She has already requested Spanish I for next year as one of her two electives and I don’t think she can change it at this point, but if she could do it the following summer instead of taking it during the school year it would open up more options for her. They did tell her that with such a heavy academic load (advanced math, English, science, history), Spanish would be a bit of a break since they said she won’t get any homework in that class. It sucks that there are so many things she wants to do and there is just no room in her schedule. As it is she probably is going to end up taking a semester of phy ed and health online just to get them done since they’re both required classes. Obviously every system works a little differently but for my kids 1 summer college language class equal 2yrs of HS language classes. My daughter is completing HS Spanish 1&2 this summer. My son is doing HS Spanish 3&4. Hopefully it is similar for your DD. That’s really good to know! I’ll have to check with her HS guidance counselor to see if that would be an option. She’s our only kid and this is our first rodeo with all this so we don’t know all the shortcuts yet.
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Post by mikewozowski on May 5, 2024 22:16:09 GMT
not what you asked, but you can get people on etsy to do digitizing for not too much money.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 5, 2024 22:32:51 GMT
not what you asked, but you can get people on etsy to do digitizing for not too much money. True. But she has been learning how to do it herself at school and would like to continue on that path to digitize her own artwork. She has done a really nice job on the projects she has done for class.
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on May 6, 2024 2:10:26 GMT
Wilcom Hatch is the one I would like to get some day. I did a lot of research and most of the mid price and cheaper ones are auto digitizing. Some day, I'd like to get Hatch. I use Sew Art, it isn't bad for a program under $100. It paid for itself very quickly. All the programs $500 and under seem to be auto digitizing but decided to hold out until then and get something that I could use for now. I did the free trial of Sew Art first and decided it would work for me for now.
Many of the programs have a free 30 trial for their digitizing programs. Some have some limitations, either won't let you save the program limit it somehow or you can't have but a few color stops, etc. I would for sure let her try out some of the free trials. That is a good skill to have, she could make some money digitizing designs.
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