Gem Girl
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Post by Gem Girl on May 5, 2024 20:18:31 GMT
dawnnikol I'm sorry you were subjected to that, too.
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Post by MichyM on May 5, 2024 21:00:02 GMT
I have been SA twice. I am very sorry to those who also have been SA, raped, or otherwise assaulted by a man. Or have someone close to them that has been.
I’ll take the bear.
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RosieKat
Drama Llama
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Jun 25, 2014 19:28:04 GMT
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Post by RosieKat on May 5, 2024 21:34:41 GMT
I'm way too much of a literalist to answer.
Well, how big an area are we talking about? How hungry is the bear? Is it a random man or one I know? For how long a period of time?
I'm no fun with the quizzes in Cosmo, either.
(And yes, I get the point of the discussion, and don't disagree. Just laughing at myself.)
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Gem Girl
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Post by Gem Girl on May 6, 2024 0:37:57 GMT
I'm saddened to hear how many in such a small sampling have dealt with SA. It makes my heart ache for each of you.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2024 1:27:21 GMT
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Post by Zee on May 6, 2024 4:07:47 GMT
Agreed ❤️❤️❤️ Though I can bet not a single one of us here hasn't experienced harassment at the very least. I'm still more scared of a bear but it appears I'm an outlier and, I do get it. I was thinking more along the lines of hiking and coming upon a fellow hiker, not just some random man lurking behind a tree. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt but I'm always wary. I'll still choose the man over the grizzly or polar bear; it's a draw on the black bear mama with cubs. I was walking alone in the woods last week on Jekyll Island and came upon a 5 foot gator just off the path. I was relieved to see a man after that and warned him. I also saw a couple and an older lady so it wasn't threatening to come upon a man alone. He was just exercising like I was.
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Post by Bridget in MD on May 6, 2024 11:45:40 GMT
I'm saddened to hear how many in such a small sampling have dealt with SA. It makes my heart ache for each of you. Oh my gosh, me too. I almost didn't post this because I knew it would bring up terrible memories/experiences, but it's just a fascinating discussion if you really think about it. I hope our peas know how strong and brave they are, and how much we support them here...
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Post by agengr2004 on May 6, 2024 13:03:22 GMT
The men that are all butt hurt and complaining about how stupid women are? They are taking this question way too literally. It isn't about the bear. It is about men not listening to women - case in point - they'd rather go on about how the bear would maul them, how the bear won't change their tires, and and and - and are not hearing that "people will believe I was attacked by a bear" "people won't ask what I was wearing when I was attacked" "the bear will only kill me" and all the things..... THIS!!!!!!! If you're weighing the differences between a man and a literal bear you've missed the point.
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Post by heckofagal on May 6, 2024 13:43:55 GMT
dillonmichaelwhite One of my favorite IG accounts, a lawyer I follow for his usually humorous takes on family and life, has made THREE videos on this issue, and they are so good they give me chills. As a SA and DV survivor, bear all the way. OMG...I love him but I know him as 'dadchats' on TikTok. The nut thins one had me confused for a minute though!
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Post by aprilfay21 on May 6, 2024 14:05:25 GMT
Bear, all day. I asked my husband (2 daughters) and my dad (3 daughters) and they both chose bear. My husband said at least the bear won't rape you first before/if he kills her, and my dad said the chances the bear would harm you are statistically minute, and the bear could be legally killed if something happened.
I read a statistic (I can't find it now) that said something like a handful of women have been killed by bears in the last few years, and less than 20 injured. Men's attacks on women in the same time period were like 22k or something.
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wellway
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Jun 25, 2014 20:50:09 GMT
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Post by wellway on May 6, 2024 14:39:57 GMT
And bears hibernate...months of peace and quiet.
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Post by aprilfay21 on May 6, 2024 14:43:45 GMT
Found the post I saw with the stats, but can't find the source for the stats. ***************** There is a question going around the internet, the original question is would you rather have your daughter in the woods with a random unknown man or a random bear. Its been morphed a bit now that its been shared to would you as a woman rather be in the woods with a random unknown man OR a bear.
Almost without fail posed this question the answer of the women/mothers have been a bear and it has men feeling some type of way that women almost universally trust a bear more then a strange man. But here are the top 10 reasons woman have given for choosing a bear over a man:
10) No one would question me about what I was wearing if the bear attacked me. 9) No one would accuse me of liking the bear attack 😎 A bears motives are easier to understand. 7) A bear won't accuse me of leading them on by being nice to them. 6) I would not be forced to carry the bears babies to term in 27 states. 5) The bear will either kill me or leave me alone there are not 400 other horrible ways a bear can hurt me. 4) Bears do not traffic women. 3) A bears friends won't come out to say how nice the bear is and how attacking me is ruining its life. 2) No one will question if the bear attack really happened. 1) The bear sees me as a human being.
But here are a few others that are sad but true:
If I survive the bear attack I will not have to see the bear at family reunions.
The bear did not pretend to be my friend for months before hand.
A bear would not film it and send it to his friends.
NOW lets talk. Soooo many males are mad about this. I have seen some comments replying to a woman choosing the bear that make my skin crawl. Most of them give off vibes that tell me they are literally part of sect of men that are the reason we chose the bear. When this question was posed, man or bear, to woman 9 out of every 10 chose the bear. 9 out of every 10. We cannot agree about hair color, makeup, or Taylor Swift but we almost entirely as a gender agree about this. In fact when asked 7 out of 10 did not even take time to think the answer was instantly bear.
We understand the bear may kill us. We understand there are fates worse then dying. A bear will simply kill us or ignore us.
Statistically women are safer with bears then men sorry not sorry. In the last 4 years 7 women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you wanna know the rape/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/raping women?
We are safer with the bear.
Sorry, not sorry.
- Credit to the respective author
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The Great Carpezio
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Jun 25, 2014 21:50:33 GMT
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 6, 2024 15:01:46 GMT
So, about ten to twelve years ago I was on vacation and went on a run---a path between two small lake towns in Central Minnesota. I actually know a person (who used to be on the old 2peas and some here on this board) who ran it before me and ran into a bear along the way.
So, I started out the run a little worried about running into a bear. In Minnesota, it is always possible, but less likely than other places unless up in northern Mn. I did see deer but no bear. There were a few people on the path running and biking, but not many (I think it was about a 4 mile run). Anyway, no bear, but there was a man. A man that came out of a wooded area on a little path...seemed out of nowhere. I think he came from a house/building, but I am not sure. I kept running (took out my earbuds) and he stood for a bit and then followed me----on roller blades. So, I am/was a super slow runner (like 13 minutes miles at that time), he did let me get ahead but he stayed behind me on ROLLER BLADES. It was so weird and made me so nervous. Finally, I saw some bikers up ahead and a little crossroads. I stopped and "tied my shoes and took a break" and made sure to say something friendly to the bikers as they went by. He HAD to go past me at that point---we were in the last mile or so where my DH was going to pick me up, and at that point, I did have cell service and gave him a loud "heads up" as this guy STILL was within earshot of me.
Anyway, everything was OK, but I hadn't forgotten about that time. I really was freaked out and even before this discussion came up the last couple of weeks, I think I would have chosen the bear.
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Post by birukitty on May 6, 2024 16:05:28 GMT
Yeah, I’m choosing the bear. No doubt about it.
I’m a DV survivor but it was 31 years ago. Still, it taught me a lot. It really opened my eyes about men, the violence they are capable of, and how some can be very manipulative and look completely innocent.
A bear is a bear. He/she will more than likely ignore you if you pose no threat. If a mother bear sees you as a threat to her cubs she will attack. If it’s a grizzly or polar bear (and let’s face it, polar bears only live in specific areas) these species are more aggressive, but I’d still rather take my chances with a bear vs a human man with a weapon.
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River
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Jun 26, 2014 15:26:04 GMT
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Post by River on May 6, 2024 16:46:19 GMT
DV with SA survivor. A bear won't be kind and gentle, it won't pretend to be the most loving and caring person, it won't lure you into a false sense of security. Just to then turn on you out of the blue and be the most viscous monster alive.
While I choose bear every single time, I do recognize that there are true loving and caring men out there.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 6, 2024 17:36:59 GMT
If I came across a bear when on a walk in the woods I would be terrified. If I came across a man in the woods I would not be worried unless he did something that seemed off. I don't live my life scared of men and thinking the worst about their actions and intentions simply because they are men.
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Post by Lexica on May 6, 2024 19:43:51 GMT
Bear, without a doubt. Most of the time, a bear won’t come after you if you stay out of its way and steer clear of any cubs. A man will hunt you down and hurt you for no reason at all.
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Post by Embri on May 6, 2024 21:16:18 GMT
That's the crux of the matter, isn't it?
The bear is a bear. It never pretends to be anything other than a bear. You will never mistake it for a potential friend, partner, spouse, or family member. It's 100% obvious that it's a large, powerful animal with the potential to hurt you. Bonus, bears generally just want to be left alone.
Women have to exist in spaces where our primary predator can be virtually invisible and cannot be avoided.
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Post by lesserknownpea on May 7, 2024 10:27:43 GMT
wow Even knowing what I know, and having experienced what I’ve experienced, seeing those three words together was a gut punch. Because they’re true, and that’s so wrong.
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Post by littlemama on May 7, 2024 12:55:02 GMT
If I came across a bear when on a walk in the woods I would be terrified. If I came across a man in the woods I would not be worried unless he did something that seemed off. I don't live my life scared of men and thinking the worst about their actions and intentions simply because they are men. While I dont discount your feelings because they are yours and you are entitled to them, I highly recommend you find the TikTok that Dadchats made on this subject.
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casii
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Post by casii on May 7, 2024 15:51:02 GMT
I'm an avid trail runner and hiker. I've seen bears on my trips to the woods, last fall especially. While it gets my heart rate up, I'd take yelling at a bear 100% of the time over the times I've been totally creeped out by men. I never run or hike alone while my spouse thinks nothing of it. Even with another friend, we've been skeeved out by men who stay just behind us. We've had one guy step onto the trail as we rounded the corner and he backed off when he realized we weren't solo.
Bear, bear, bear. Every time.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 7, 2024 16:44:47 GMT
wow Even knowing what I know, and having experienced what I’ve experienced, seeing those three words together was a gut punch. Because they’re true, and that’s so wrong. As I have said years ago, you are one of the strongest woman I know!!
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Post by Bridget in MD on May 7, 2024 17:33:06 GMT
If I came across a bear when on a walk in the woods I would be terrified. If I came across a man in the woods I would not be worried unless he did something that seemed off. I don't live my life scared of men and thinking the worst about their actions and intentions simply because they are men. While I dont discount your feelings because they are yours and you are entitled to them, I highly recommend you find the TikTok that Dadchats made on this subject. the 2nd TT link I posted in my OP is DadChats! https://www.tiktok.com/@dadchats/video/7365147542880881962
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on May 7, 2024 18:20:17 GMT
Bears don't catcall, try to convince you that they're a "nice guy," mansplain, insist that your lady-brain is too undeveloped to understand what they're saying, get you drunk in order to assault you, r*pe you and say you deserved it, tell all their friends that you are a wh*re whether you sleep with them or not, gaslight you into believing their lies, cheat on you, post a naked photo of you on the Internet, stalk you at work or home, or abandon you when you're seriously injured or ill.
Ask me how many of those things a man has done to me.
Bears don't have reputations to protect, egos to stroke, or infinite second chances. Bears don't tell me that I can't do what I want with my own body. Bears don't participate in stripping me and my children of our basic human rights. Bears don't own multiple assault weapons and shoot up schools, concerts, malls, grocery stores, playgrounds, and work places.
Bears aren't why I get my keys out of my purse before I leave the store. Bears aren't why I don't go to the gym at night. Bears aren't why I insisted that my now-husband and I met in a public place in a city different from mine on our first date and aren't why my friends insisted that I give them the address as well as send them multiple texts that I was okay after we met.
Always, always, always the bear.
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Post by hop2 on May 7, 2024 19:05:15 GMT
I'm saddened to hear how many in such a small sampling have dealt with SA. It makes my heart ache for each of you. I am saddened by this whole trend. For multiple reasons. First, that statistically bears are safer than random men. That a significant portion if men just don’t get it. That to explain it to men we have to sink to ‘at least the bear won’t rape me before it kills me’ While I wholly understand this point and yes it’s part of the reason many of us don’t want to choose random men over bears. But, when some people say it, it just gives the vibe of the women who were raped have lost value or respect in some way and I hate that. I’m tired of the patriarchal value system that devalues a woman who has been assaulted. Like if I had a young daughter I would not be using that phrase to discuss this topic because it can have double meanings and I feel it can feed into the devaluing of a sexual assault victim in the patriarchal society we have. It really didn’t occur to me until I saw one man say it about his girlfriend as if to prove he ‘got it’ about the bear but he was so smug and it just came across as she’s better off dead than defiled. That video gave me nausea, I venture that that guy does not actually ‘get it’. Honestly, the bear is just more predictable dudes. This whole topic and the various responses has just made me so sad.
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