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Post by sweetshabbyroses on May 8, 2024 16:50:31 GMT
Does it work. "Right of first refusal" in a custody case sounds like a nightmare. Does anyone have it that arrangement? Does it work for you or is it a hassle?
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Post by littlemama on May 8, 2024 21:46:03 GMT
I've known people who have had it. It just means that if a parent needs someone to watch the child, the other parent should be asked first. If the other parent can't, they are free to find someone else.
Why do you think it would be a nightmare? Is it a contentious situation?
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Post by myshelly on May 8, 2024 21:51:32 GMT
In my experience it’s super common. It’s not codified in my state, but I would say most judges use it as their default setting.
I’m curious why you think it would be a nightmare?
In *most* coparenting situations it works well. I’m extremely contentious or cases where abuse is alleged or borderline, it can suck.
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Post by momx1 on May 9, 2024 4:32:13 GMT
My brother has it in his custody agreement. It’s worked very well for him due to his ex-wife’s work demands.
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Post by smartypants71 on May 9, 2024 12:13:06 GMT
This is based solely on my experience with my ex, but I think the situation could turn nightmarish if you have a vindictive, childish "co-parent" who agrees to watch the child but then bail last minute to mess up your plans.
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Post by littlemama on May 9, 2024 12:24:53 GMT
This is based solely on my experience with my ex, but I think the situation could turn nightmarish if you have a vindictive, childish "co-parent" who agrees to watch the child but then bail last minute to mess up your plans. I think Id always have someone else ready if that were the case. That is a fucking terrible thing to do to a child (bailing when they are supposed to watch them)
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Post by bethany102399 on May 9, 2024 13:50:15 GMT
I can see it working if both parents are capable of being adults and actually want to parent. I know people who fall into that category and make it work between them and the ex. I also know people who aren't and would in fact disrupt things just to be disruptive.
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Post by Prenticekid on May 9, 2024 14:45:33 GMT
Everyone is mentioning that it could be a nightmare, but that's in already nightmare situations. That's going to be with everything, right? In and of itself, it is simply a tool. My ex and I had it - we simply called each other first. We were very amicable though. My friend is in a situation where it works, but does add a layer. She and her ex use a co-parenting app because he goes on crazy binges, and talking, texting and emailing all went haywire because of him. He asks her at last minute and responds to her at the last minute - just to be difficult. So, she always has a back up plan. But other than the last minute thing, it works for them and she doesn't call it a nightmare. (I asked. LOL)
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 9, 2024 15:21:58 GMT
We had no such thing. We had every other weekend, every other holiday, two weeks in the summer etc. My ex would go YEARS without seeing my son.
Yet child support wasn't adjusted to address the fact that he didn't have the expected overnights. I could see where this could be used to modify child support if the number of overnights is considerably different than the standard expectation. I could also see a difficult parent not showing up (as mentioned above.) I could also see it as a way for kids to be kept from extended family, if the other parent is difficult.
It seems there is alot of positive, but I'm only seeing the negative because my ex was a nightmare.
I would have loved to have had yet another layer to show that he was absentee and useless as a father.
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Post by tracylynn on May 9, 2024 15:53:19 GMT
We had no such thing. We had every other weekend, every other holiday, two weeks in the summer etc. My ex would go YEARS without seeing my son. Yet child support wasn't adjusted to address the fact that he didn't have the expected overnights. I could see where this could be used to modify child support if the number of overnights is considerably different than the standard expectation. I could also see a difficult parent not showing up (as mentioned above.) I could also see it as a way for kids to be kept from extended family, if the other parent is difficult. It seems there is alot of positive, but I'm only seeing the negative because my ex was a nightmare. I would have loved to have had yet another layer to show that he was absentee and useless as a father. Just curious - I'm assuming you made your child/children available to him on his expected days. If so, and he chose not to pick them up, I wouldn't expect the child support to go down. What you outlined seems like pretty typical non-custodial parent custody. He still should pay child support to help offset expenses for that child. Is that not the case?
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Post by littlemama on May 9, 2024 18:11:47 GMT
We had no such thing. We had every other weekend, every other holiday, two weeks in the summer etc. My ex would go YEARS without seeing my son. Yet child support wasn't adjusted to address the fact that he didn't have the expected overnights. I could see where this could be used to modify child support if the number of overnights is considerably different than the standard expectation. I could also see a difficult parent not showing up (as mentioned above.) I could also see it as a way for kids to be kept from extended family, if the other parent is difficult. It seems there is alot of positive, but I'm only seeing the negative because my ex was a nightmare. I would have loved to have had yet another layer to show that he was absentee and useless as a father. Just curious - I'm assuming you made your child/children available to him on his expected days. If so, and he chose not to pick them up, I wouldn't expect the child support to go down. What you outlined seems like pretty typical non-custodial parent custody. He still should pay child support to help offset expenses for that child. Is that not the case? She should have gone to court with her calendar of overnights he actually took the children and asked for an adjustment in support. As for right of first refusal being used to adjust support, I would think the majority of those occasiins would be an evening or an afternoon, rather than overnights in general.
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Post by craftymom101 on May 9, 2024 18:43:16 GMT
Here is my experience with the "right of first refusal" clause in my divorce documents:
The original language stated that if either parent was going to need childcare longer than 4 hours, the other parents was to be contacted first and has the "right to first refusal" to either take the kids or not. During negotiations, my ex-husband amended the line to 6 hours, and stated "except for childcare coverage during working hours". I accepted those changes.
I am glad the 6 hours minimum was changed. 4 hours is not a lot of time and having to chat with my ex-husband every time I wanted to go out for 3-4 hours would have been a pain.
HOWEVER, I 100% regret the line about childcare during working hours. I was a substitute teacher for 4.5 years and for the first two years, I had the kids during the summer. During my ex's weeks, he would drop them off and pick them up from me. I think he gave me an extra $100 for the summer to have them. That covered almost nothing extra, but my kids weren't in daycare.
Before summer #3, I asked for a little more money (I was a substitute teacher making $8.25/hour and not working during the summer = no income) and he refused, preferring to pay hundreds of dollars per week per child for them to go to daycare or summer camp rather than give me slightly more money to have them. I was devastated and my kids hated going to daycare/summer camp when they could have been at my house and having fun at the community pool or with their friends. Due to the language in the divorce document, there was nothing I could do about it. Even now, it's very upsetting that I missed out on time with my kids because he would rather pay more money for strangers to watch our kids than contribute a small amount to me to do fun things with our kids during the summer. I think I asked for $300 for the summer vs. $100 total. It was a small amount, but he wouldn't budge.
If summers off aren't an issue, then you might have different outcomes for what "right of first refusal" looks like. I wanted to share my experience.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 9, 2024 20:33:46 GMT
We had no such thing. We had every other weekend, every other holiday, two weeks in the summer etc. My ex would go YEARS without seeing my son. Yet child support wasn't adjusted to address the fact that he didn't have the expected overnights. I could see where this could be used to modify child support if the number of overnights is considerably different than the standard expectation. I could also see a difficult parent not showing up (as mentioned above.) I could also see it as a way for kids to be kept from extended family, if the other parent is difficult. It seems there is alot of positive, but I'm only seeing the negative because my ex was a nightmare. I would have loved to have had yet another layer to show that he was absentee and useless as a father. Just curious - I'm assuming you made your child/children available to him on his expected days. If so, and he chose not to pick them up, I wouldn't expect the child support to go down. What you outlined seems like pretty typical non-custodial parent custody. He still should pay child support to help offset expenses for that child. Is that not the case? It was very much the default custody arrangement, at least in 2007 in North Carolina. The interesting part was I also had his two kids from his previous marriage during their winter spring, and summer breaks from college, and of course there was no financial compensation for that. I just loved them and wanted to spend time with them. To further clarify, my unique situation, my ex was active duty when we divorced. He left the state. When we separated, he left the state. I sold our house, and then moved an hour away, same state and bought another house. I didn’t benefit financially from the sale of our house. Anyway, he still had over 10 years of our son being a minor. He saw him four times. Two of which he came to our county, because he wanted to visit his friends that were still local to me. It came to our house, and played in the backyard for about an hour. I was in that lovely situation where I made too much money to qualify for any legal help. But to take him back to court for child support modification, I would’ve had to file in his state. I would’ve had to have traveled there, Taken time off of work, paid for accommodation. I just didn’t really have that, So even as an E7, EA, and E9 in the army, he was paying $300 a month child support.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 9, 2024 20:41:33 GMT
Just curious - I'm assuming you made your child/children available to him on his expected days. If so, and he chose not to pick them up, I wouldn't expect the child support to go down. What you outlined seems like pretty typical non-custodial parent custody. He still should pay child support to help offset expenses for that child. Is that not the case? She should have gone to court with her calendar of overnights he actually took the children and asked for an adjustment in support. As for right of first refusal being used to adjust support, I would think the majority of those occasiins would be an evening or an afternoon, rather than overnights in general. Yes, I made my son available all four times that his father was able to make time for him in 10 years. It sounds all well and good that I should have taken him back to court. The reality was that we lived in two different states, three times zones apart. To take him back to court I had to take him back in his state. I received $300 a month child support. My money was going to mortgage, transportation, childcare food, utilities, taxes, sports, and generally taking damn good care of my kid. I didn’t have money to throw at the state to modify. A trip from the East Coast to the West Coast for it just to get continued in court. I had a front seat to all the games that he could play when he played them with his ex-wife. And chose not to go through that. And just be a salty bitch. If I had made slightly less money, of course the state would’ve taken care of all of that. But unfortunately, when you make just a little bit more than just enough, you get no help with anything. He was stationed overseas for a year in a cool place. He told my daughter her freshman year of college that for winter break he would fly her over and she could spend winter break there. 6 1/2 hours before her flight, he told her that her flight was canceled. He never provided her any information regarding her ticket. She just took him at his word. And of course, it seems all tickets to that location must’ve been canceled, and no opportunity to rebook. Of course. So the dorms were closing in two days for winter break, and he left her with absolutely nowhere to be. I bought her a plane ticket and she came to stay with me for winter break. That’s how his kids, my previous step kids, began spending all of their breaks with me because he is and was unreliable. He liked to use the army for an excuse all the time. And he is a narcissistic liar. That’s OK, his kids know who he is.
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