RosieKat
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Post by RosieKat on May 11, 2024 12:43:04 GMT
I've had this dilemma myself. I have concluded that it brings joy to some people who I dearly love when I participate, and that the God that I believe in will understand that. I always pray something along the lines of "You know my heart and that I intend no disrespect or heresy, so please accept the good in why I did this. Thank you for x, y, and z. Amen." (This is something that doesn't come up on a regular basis or anything; if it did, I'm not sure how I would deal.) I like that! I don't feel guilty over taking communion, it's just that in the Catholic faith you are required to be a member in good standing to receive communion. I think that is BS. I loved my old church where the pastor invited everyone to Christ's table. I believe all are welcome. Yes, I am a raised Catholic as well, and still see a lot of good in it and a lot of good people. But there is just so much needing to be fixed that I can no longer say that the Church represents me - once the CCB condemned the suicide hotline creation since there were specific resources provided for trans and other LGBTIAQ people, I decided conclusively that man's rules were no longer representing God's will. I haven't thrown the baby out with the bathwater, but no longer consider myself Catholic, either.
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Post by hop2 on May 11, 2024 13:07:30 GMT
I just don’t talk about it.
If someone is really pushy my answer is that “my path with god is a personal journey” and I leave it at that.
I do not feel the need to explain it but I understand that might not be the same for everyone.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 11, 2024 13:36:11 GMT
ETA: I am curious about evangelicals and discussions about religion; are they very persistent about discussing it? I know some religious people, but they are not pushy about discussing their faith I don't know if persistent is the right word. But it's their way, or nothing at all. There is no other belief. No other religions. I know a lot have said it's personal, and I don't need to talk about it, but it's my dh, my family, so even though it's my personal belief system, it's still something sort of expected to be talked about as a family. That's part of being a family, right?
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wellway
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Post by wellway on May 11, 2024 15:30:51 GMT
ETA: I am curious about evangelicals and discussions about religion; are they very persistent about discussing it? I know some religious people, but they are not pushy about discussing their faith I don't know if persistent is the right word. But it's their way, or nothing at all. There is no other belief. No other religions. I know a lot have said it's personal, and I don't need to talk about it, but it's my dh, my family, so even though it's my personal belief system, it's still something sort of expected to be talked about as a family. That's part of being a family, right? Depends on how many people you are allowing into your definition of family, I guess. First option From what you have posted, now and previously, you are an exception in your family and friend group. I won't give them anymore ammunition if they can't respect your decisions. Second option Continue conversations if discussions are respectful and out of genuine curiosity. By opening up, you may be paving the way for others who are questioning their beliefs but don't have your courage. And I do believe it takes courage to go against the flow especially in parts of the US where religion is overarching. But, remember, you don't owe anyone an explanation that they deem acceptable. Your journey, your choice, your peace.
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Post by refugeepea on May 11, 2024 17:53:05 GMT
I wish I lived in a secular country. A-fucking men
I just got back from a vacation. A REAL vacation. Something I haven't done in many many years because camping doesn't count. Anyway, we went with two couples. One appears to be faithful Mormons to the older relatives. While their own children and other tolerant family members know their real feelings. The other couple? I have no idea. Definitely not active in any religion is all I know.
The husband of the "faithful" couple asked we don't post any photos of them from our trip. Why? because we drank ALCOHOL and his cute, hilarious wife wore immodest clothing. They just do NOT want to deal with questions. Stupid damn questions that is no one else's business. The hypocricy in that family is truly astounding. Her "faithful" annoying AF brother gambles on a regular basis.
I told my husband not to tag me in Facebook photos and I only let him post one with me. At this point, I'm sure my family wouldn't be shocked. I just truly don't care for everyone to know what I do. It took a LOT of work for this to finally happen. I don't want to have to justify my actions for drinking alcohol and tea. Oh the horror.
Oh, and I finally tried an Amaretto Sour! It did weird things to my tongue. I'm also convinced the drinks were REALLY watered down. For someone who rarely drinks, I could handle the fruity ones all day long.
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artbabe
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Post by artbabe on May 11, 2024 18:23:28 GMT
I don't talk about it, much. I grew up United Methodist, going to church, Bible school, Sunday school, etc. When it came time to be confirmed, I just wasn't feeling it. Fortunately, my parents didn't push it. My mom mostly went to church for the social life and sense of community, and my dad was definitely atheist (I didn't know it at the time) but went because mom wanted him to. He was even on the church budget committee, which I think is weird now.
The older I get the more atheist I get, if that is possible. Mom died and my sister and Dad are both atheists, too, so there really isn't anything to discuss. If someone asks I usually just say that I'm not Christian, and let them believe what they want to believe. My last name sounds Jewish, so most people don't ask for any other details.
I am grateful for my Bible education, though. I've had several people want to talk to me about Christianity and they are flabbergasted that I know the Bible so well, and still don't believe. Knowing Christianity is very useful from an educational and cultural standpoint, because the US is still so Christian and there as so many references to it.
It doesn't do any good to explain my position on religion. It is the same as trying to convince a Trumper to change to my views. It just isn't going to happen. Better to avoid the whole thing.
It suddenly occurred to me when I was a teen that people actually believed all of those stories and rules, and that god existed. All this time I thought everyone was like me, just going through the motions. I still find it hard to understand that people believe all that stuff.
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Post by Merge on May 11, 2024 19:54:20 GMT
I am grateful for my Bible education, though. I've had several people want to talk to me about Christianity and they are flabbergasted that I know the Bible so well, and still don't believe. Knowing Christianity is very useful from an educational and cultural standpoint, because the US is still so Christian and there as so many references to it. Absolutely agree. Something non-Catholics often don't realize about the church is that it has a prescribed lectionary of readings for each Sunday. Over the course of a three- or four-year cycle (I forget which), Catholics hear most of the bible read and/or preached on at mass. People who attend mass each week tend to know the bible very well. Contrast that with other churches where the pastor and/or bible study leader decides which passages he thinks are important and may cherry-pick to suit his views. When I started to question what I had been taught, the first thing I did was to dive deeper into Catholic apologetics, looking for arguments to shore up the beliefs I'd been raised with. That took me to counter-arguments from protestant and evangelical theologians. The more I read, the more I became convinced that all of it was made up to suit the wishes of those who wanted control - of the poor, of women, of anyone less powerful. Catholic tradition, upon which a fair amount of their canon is based, is most definitely non-scriptural. But the scripture-only churches lie when they say they don't rely on tradition or other non-biblical beliefs. Deciding which scripture to follow and which to discard, deciding how to interpret certain passages in translation, even deciding which translation to use - all of these are forms of tradition that have been created to benefit those in power. As you've said, though, you can't convince somebody who hasn't seen it and doesn't want to. Many will actually be offended that you've read the bible and significant amounts of theology and still don't believe. They'll tell you that you just decided not to have faith because you "wanted to sin" or were "tempted by the devil." I had someone actually tell me the first one on this board years ago, now that I think about it. My question always is, as a faithfully married mother of two who lives a pretty boring life, what is it that you think I'm doing for sins that I had to leave the church to do? That's why it's better just not to share. Many believers are offended if you have been exposed to/immersed in their belief system and still don't accept it. (And yes, biblical references abound in our culture and literature. I sometimes have to explain them to my kids.)
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Post by mollycoddle on May 11, 2024 23:54:34 GMT
ETA: I am curious about evangelicals and discussions about religion; are they very persistent about discussing it? I know some religious people, but they are not pushy about discussing their faith I don't know if persistent is the right word. But it's their way, or nothing at all. There is no other belief. No other religions. I know a lot have said it's personal, and I don't need to talk about it, but it's my dh, my family, so even though it's my personal belief system, it's still something sort of expected to be talked about as a family. That's part of being a family, right? If you want to, sure. ETA: IMO discussing it because you want to is one thing. But sometimes people want to discuss something because they would like to change your mind. It really depends upon whether you want to discuss it. This is just my opinion; your(general your) beliefs are your own, and you do not owe anyone an explanation. But that’s just how *I* feel about it. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 12, 2024 0:03:48 GMT
I don't!
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Post by Zee on May 12, 2024 4:08:04 GMT
I don't know if persistent is the right word. But it's their way, or nothing at all. There is no other belief. No other religions. I know a lot have said it's personal, and I don't need to talk about it, but it's my dh, my family, so even though it's my personal belief system, it's still something sort of expected to be talked about as a family. That's part of being a family, right? If you want to, sure. ETA: IMO discussing it because you want to is one thing. But sometimes people want to discuss something because they would like to change your mind. It really depends upon whether you want to discuss it. This is just my opinion; your(general your) beliefs are your own, and you do not owe anyone an explanation. But that’s just how *I* feel about it. Your mileage may vary. Yes, this. If I didn't feel like discussing it I'd excuse myself and leave. You don't owe anyone an explanation or discussion. Although I like to read responses about religion here, IRL it's very rarely anything I ever talk about or care about. I find that most people here in Bible belt Georgia just assume I am also a "Christian", whatever that means to them, so it's not often brought up as any kind of questioning discussion. Sometimes the evangelical patients do that, and they can be annoying but I just change the subject or tell them I'm Catholic (I'm actually what I would consider agnostic) and they generally shut up after that because I'm going to hell, clearly, and they're busy praying for my soul. Took me until I was in my 30s until I realized that there are "Christians" who think Catholics aren't Christians.
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Post by mikklynn on May 12, 2024 13:01:42 GMT
ETA: I am curious about evangelicals and discussions about religion; are they very persistent about discussing it? I know some religious people, but they are not pushy about discussing their faith I don't know if persistent is the right word. But it's their way, or nothing at all. There is no other belief. No other religions. I know a lot have said it's personal, and I don't need to talk about it, but it's my dh, my family, so even though it's my personal belief system, it's still something sort of expected to be talked about as a family. That's part of being a family, right? You could try saying it's something deeply personal, I'm working through it, and I'll discuss when I'm ready. Otherwise, I know I'd get ugly and shut it DOWN.
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on May 12, 2024 16:21:39 GMT
If the subject comes up, I always answer with "I do not discuss religion or politics, it is the fastest way to lose a friend"... and that has always shut down any conversation.
I do not find a need to discuss it with anyone. I have discussed it with my children as they grew, because I know it can be confusing to them when many of their friends are very involved with church. So I was always very open and honest with them, and told them that the choice was theirs, but they did not need to base it off of what friends said, and that if anyone told them to not discuss with me (or anyone) that they were pressured to join anything - that was a BIG red flag!
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on May 13, 2024 3:17:40 GMT
I have changed from a rather conservative Christian in my 20s to now a very liberal follower-of-Jesus who's okay not really knowing for sure in my 40s. I haven't really had to explain it in words so much as just lived it & people can see how I have changed, KWIM? I volunteer with Moms Demand Action and Free Mom Hugs (which is specifically a pro-LGBTQ organization) as well as attend a church that uses "She" and "They" pronouns for God in our songs & prayers. I also attend reproductive rights rallies and was the impetus for the "anti-reunion" my high school class held at the same time as the official reunion in protest of an alum who is notorious for his sexist/racist/homophobic platform as a local pastor and fledgling author and was on the planning committee. I share all these things on social media and bring them up in natural conversation with friends, family, etc. so everyone knows.
The older I've gotten, the more I've realized that I don't really know much at all. Does God exist? I don't know. Is there a Heaven? I don't know. Am I doing the right thing? I don't know. I figure that loving God and loving my neighbor is good enough, and we'll see how the rest shakes out. I have several friends + my husband who lean towards atheist/agnostic, and we choose not to discuss it at-length; we accept whatever the other person is or isn't and enjoy our time together.
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on May 13, 2024 3:30:40 GMT
ETA: I am curious about evangelicals and discussions about religion; are they very persistent about discussing it? I know some religious people, but they are not pushy about discussing their faith I don't know if persistent is the right word. But it's their way, or nothing at all. There is no other belief. No other religions. I know a lot have said it's personal, and I don't need to talk about it, but it's my dh, my family, so even though it's my personal belief system, it's still something sort of expected to be talked about as a family. That's part of being a family, right? Actually, no one in my family talks about their personal belief system. I discuss what I believe with my kids as I'd like them to know so they can take that into consideration as they figure out what they believe (and to counteract some of the absolute bananapants stuff their "religious" dad says) but that's it. My husband hates to talk about himself and has yet to ever describe to me what he believes or doesn't believe in though he does attend church with me every week. Heck, even my friends who volunteer with me as advisors for the high school student faith-based retreat program in town don't discuss their beliefs with me (or I with them). My mom attends a different church and is very active there but my sister, BIL, father, aunt, and every other relative I have do not attend church and are not particularly religious or spiritual.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 13, 2024 17:39:33 GMT
I don't know if persistent is the right word. But it's their way, or nothing at all. There is no other belief. No other religions. I know a lot have said it's personal, and I don't need to talk about it, but it's my dh, my family, so even though it's my personal belief system, it's still something sort of expected to be talked about as a family. That's part of being a family, right? Actually, no one in my family talks about their personal belief system. I discuss what I believe with my kids as I'd like them to know so they can take that into consideration as they figure out what they believe (and to counteract some of the absolute bananapants stuff their "religious" dad says) but that's it. My husband hates to talk about himself and has yet to ever describe to me what he believes or doesn't believe in though he does attend church with me every week. Heck, even my friends who volunteer with me as advisors for the high school student faith-based retreat program in town don't discuss their beliefs with me (or I with them). My mom attends a different church and is very active there but my sister, BIL, father, aunt, and every other relative I have do not attend church and are not particularly religious or spiritual. That's different. So you didn't even talk how you wanted your kids raised? or talk about religion with your kids at home? He just sits there with nothing to say?
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on May 14, 2024 15:14:48 GMT
Actually, no one in my family talks about their personal belief system. I discuss what I believe with my kids as I'd like them to know so they can take that into consideration as they figure out what they believe (and to counteract some of the absolute bananapants stuff their "religious" dad says) but that's it. My husband hates to talk about himself and has yet to ever describe to me what he believes or doesn't believe in though he does attend church with me every week. Heck, even my friends who volunteer with me as advisors for the high school student faith-based retreat program in town don't discuss their beliefs with me (or I with them). My mom attends a different church and is very active there but my sister, BIL, father, aunt, and every other relative I have do not attend church and are not particularly religious or spiritual. That's different. So you didn't even talk how you wanted your kids raised? or talk about religion with your kids at home? He just sits there with nothing to say? We don't have children together. My children were 7 and 12 when he & I met, and our general parenting style is to take the lead on the things we care the most about. I am a heart/people person so I take the lead on faith, relationships, emotional intelligence, etc. and he is a head/things person so he takes the lead on household chores/work ethic, homework, our dogs, etc. If either of us were to truly disagree with what the other person was doing or saying, we would say so (privately) & then we'd make a united adjustment to our approach. And yes, he "just sits there" when the kids and I talk about faith. I suspect that he agrees with more of what I believe than he lets on.
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