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Post by gar on May 17, 2024 9:53:49 GMT
Apparently this lady, Gina Rinehart, is a well known, controversial figure, and she has asked that the painting of her by aboriginal artist Vincent Namatjira, is removed from the National Gallery of Australia. Bear in mind she's in good company sitting alongside equally quirky portraits of others including King Charles, the late Queen Elizabeth, Cathy Freeman, Scott Morrison and others but she's not the only one who is unhappy with their portrait. It seems a bit silly because it's brought loads more attention to it. I like his style but if I don't think I would have demanded its removal if it was me. Would you kick off about it?
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Post by wellway on May 17, 2024 10:58:42 GMT
No is the short answer.
Clearly, he paints in a particular style and has done all his subjects in the same manner. He didn't single her out for different treatment in this body of work.
If she had said nothing, would we even been aware of it?
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Post by gramasue on May 17, 2024 11:34:41 GMT
The woman needs to take some of her zillions of dollars and buy herself a sense of humour.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 17, 2024 11:39:18 GMT
The woman is an absolute POS, the portrait is actually flattering to her, truth be told.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 17, 2024 12:02:01 GMT
And let's not forget that her even bigger POS father would have wiped out the artist if he had his N@zi way:
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Post by gillyp on May 17, 2024 12:46:53 GMT
No is the short answer. Clearly, he paints in a particular style and has done all his subjects in the same manner. He didn't single her out for different treatment in this body of work. If she had said nothing, would we even been aware of it? Never heard of her but judging from AussieMeg's reaction, I'm not missing anything. I would have expected her to know of the artist's work and be prepared for it. The portraits are a little like Spitting Image portraits!
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Post by gar on May 17, 2024 13:01:24 GMT
And let's not forget that her even bigger POS father would have wiped out the artist if he had his N@zi way: 😮
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Post by gillyp on May 17, 2024 13:16:42 GMT
And let's not forget that her even bigger POS father would have wiped out the artist if he had his N@zi way:
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Post by guzismom on May 17, 2024 13:28:28 GMT
While his style is not to my liking, he hasn't seemed to single her out and even if he had...her 'row' brings more attention to the painting which seems to be counterproductive.
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Post by dawnnikol on May 17, 2024 13:33:10 GMT
While his style is not to my liking, he hasn't seemed to single her out and even if he had...her 'row' brings more attention to the painting which seems to be counterproductive. Counterproductive to her.. very productive for him, I'd say.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on May 17, 2024 13:47:00 GMT
My first reaction is that I would not want that super unflattering image of me hanging anywhere. Then I looked up the others that are hanging with it here and see that some of the others are also not very flattering. It's the artist's style, I get it, but I do think that he has some negative feelings about Gina Rinehart that are obvious by the painting done of her.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 17, 2024 15:13:27 GMT
AussieMeg thank you so very much for your insight into her family background. Maybe it should be moved to garbage bin!!
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Post by hop2 on May 17, 2024 15:50:21 GMT
I’m not sure I’d want his portraits hanging in my home. But I like his style. My first glimpse, the portraits seemed whimsical like maybe Eric Carle art. Then you look closer and it’s semi macabre like some of the portraits are of zombies. Theres a quality to the work that has a dark edge. I’d wager his emotions about the person show thru as each portrait has different levels of whimsy vs macabre. And some just ooze hate, others do not.
And that’s what art is supposed to do to emit emotions to make us think. Very well done.
Cranky woman should have stfu and no one would have cared. Now the world knows what she looks like in her most hate filled moments. I’d never heard of her, now I know she’s cranky AF. Dumb move in her part.
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Post by onelasttime on May 17, 2024 16:00:49 GMT
“Art is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone will have their own interpretation.”
It’s easy to sit in the peanut gallery and ridicule others actions.
But if the tables were turned and it was your very unflattering photograph or painting on public display would you “develop a sense of humor” and let it stay up? Or asked to be taken down.
For those who say they would leave up a very unflattering painting in a public venue, I’m not buying it.
Of the wall of paintings her’s was the ugliest. I don’t blame her for wanting it taken down.
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Post by gar on May 17, 2024 16:05:58 GMT
“Art is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone will have their own interpretation.”It’s easy to sit in the peanut gallery and ridicule others actions. But if the tables were turned and it was your very unflattering photograph or painting on public display would you “develop a sense of humor” and let it stay up? Or asked to be taken down. For those who say they would leave up a very unflattering painting in a public venue, I’m not buying it. Of the wall of paintings her’s was the ugliest. I don’t blame her for wanting it taken down. Well, whether you buy it or not, I would not have brought world wide attention to it by asking for it to be taken down. He’s entitled to his artistic interpretation and her approval isn’t required.
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Post by hop2 on May 17, 2024 16:28:59 GMT
“Art is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone will have their own interpretation.”It’s easy to sit in the peanut gallery and ridicule others actions. But if the tables were turned and it was your very unflattering photograph or painting on public display would you “develop a sense of humor” and let it stay up? Or asked to be taken down. For those who say they would leave up a very unflattering painting in a public venue, I’m not buying it. Of the wall of paintings her’s was the ugliest. I don’t blame her for wanting it taken down. If I kept my mouth shut most people would have no idea it was me. No need to blather myself and my unflattering photo all over the world wide news so people who wouldn’t have cared get to see it too. I’ve had unflattering photos of me made public. Best course of action is to ignore. And just recently I gave an artist permission to display one of my dumbest moments in life. They didn’t have to ask, but I didn’t stop them. But, with me not bitching, or making a scene, no one even cared or really noticed. Dont care if you believe that or not.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 17, 2024 22:19:32 GMT
Lest we forget all the Picasso people painted as cubes.. misshapen at that!
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Post by 950nancy on May 17, 2024 23:16:58 GMT
I cackled loudly at that picture. While art is art and all that... I wouldn't be thrilled with that painting either.
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Post by onelasttime on May 17, 2024 23:22:06 GMT
“Art is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone will have their own interpretation.”It’s easy to sit in the peanut gallery and ridicule others actions. But if the tables were turned and it was your very unflattering photograph or painting on public display would you “develop a sense of humor” and let it stay up? Or asked to be taken down. For those who say they would leave up a very unflattering painting in a public venue, I’m not buying it. Of the wall of paintings her’s was the ugliest. I don’t blame her for wanting it taken down. Well, whether you buy it or not, I would not have brought world wide attention to it by asking for it to be taken down. He’s entitled to his artistic interpretation and her approval isn’t required. A couple of things. 1. Art is truly in the eye of the beholder. 2. I have no idea who this woman is and I don’t care. IMO this is about her, or anyone else’s, rights when it comes to them individually. IMO. 3. I have no idea who the artist is and I don’t care. This is about when an artist goes too far. You said above an artist is entitled to his “artistic interpretation without her approval”. Is he? Really? 4. The article says “and kicked off a national debate about art and censorship.”. For her to ask them to take down a painting of herself, that she did not commission or approve, a painting that could be seen as a flat out ugly picture of her is not censorship. . 5. Also this notion that if she hadn’t said anything no one would have notice is kind of silly since the painting is on display in a gallery open to the public. Someone would have noticed and said something. They always do. So it would appear in your world an artist has no limitations on his/her interpretation of a subject, and the subject has no rights when it comes to the final project especially if they didn’t commission the painting in the first place which appears to be the case with the painting in question. The artist can do what he/she likes and screw the subject if that subject should happen to object to it and find it offensive. If that is the case we are going to agree to disagree. I believe she does have rights and if she found the picture of herself offense she had every right to ask for it to be taken down. And they should taken it down. Especially if he painted it without her permission. And that’s not censorship.
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Post by scrapalotomous on May 18, 2024 6:36:35 GMT
I actually visited this exhibition today. To be fair to the artist none of his depictions of people are particularly flattering in any way. Including those of himself. His work is irreverent, particularly towards the monarchy, and very tongue in cheek poking fun of people. I enjoyed his work and the commentary it was making. I am also a fan of his great grandfather’s art though it is a completely different style. Art makes you think, starts conversations, provides different perspectives and represents more than just the image shown. Gina Rinehart is an ugly woman (not in looks) and her family has profited immensely from the land they took from Aboriginal Australians. She can pull her bloody head in and shut up as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by gar on May 18, 2024 8:07:35 GMT
Well, whether you buy it or not, I would not have brought world wide attention to it by asking for it to be taken down. He’s entitled to his artistic interpretation and her approval isn’t required. A couple of things. 1. Art is truly in the eye of the beholder. 2. I have no idea who this woman is and I don’t care. IMO this is about her, or anyone else’s, rights when it comes to them individually. IMO. 3. I have no idea who the artist is and I don’t care. This is about when an artist goes too far. You said above an artist is entitled to his “artistic interpretation without her approval”. Is he? Really? 4. The article says “and kicked off a national debate about art and censorship.”. For her to ask them to take down a painting of herself, that she did not commission or approve, a painting that could be seen as a flat out ugly picture of her is not censorship. . 5. Also this notion that if she hadn’t said anything no one would have notice is kind of silly since the painting is on display in a gallery open to the public. Someone would have noticed and said something. They always do. So it would appear in your world an artist has no limitations on his/her interpretation of a subject, and the subject has no rights when it comes to the final project especially if they didn’t commission the painting in the first place which appears to be the case with the painting in question. The artist can do what he/she likes and screw the subject if that subject should happen to object to it and find it offensive. If that is the case we are going to agree to disagree. I believe she does have rights and if she found the picture of herself offense she had every right to ask for it to be taken down. And they should taken it down. Especially if he painted it without her permission. And that’s not censorship. Well, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but yes we'll have to agree to disagree since I do disagree with almost everything you wrote above.
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Post by anaterra on May 18, 2024 8:23:48 GMT
I think it is unflattering... i dont really like any of the paintings i saw.. if i had the bajillions of dollars she does, id try to buy it then burn it...
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Post by mollycoddle on May 18, 2024 9:00:53 GMT
Is this a portrait or a caricature like something you would get at a fair? If it’s a caricature, fine. It’s unflattering, and looks like something that he drew in a few minutes. I guess that I’m wondering if she sat for it, because if she did, she has every right to be pissed. Especially if she paid for it.
If she didn’t pay for it or sit for it, then no, I would just assume that it’s a caricature and laugh it off.
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Post by sueg on May 18, 2024 9:08:02 GMT
Is this a portrait or a caricature like something you would get at a fair? If it’s a caricature, fine. It’s unflattering, and looks like something that he drew in a few minutes. I guess that I’m wondering if she sat for it, because if she did, she has every right to be pissed. Especially if she paid for it. If she didn’t pay for it or sit for it, then no, I would just assume that it’s a caricature and laugh it off. From the original article: “On a stark yellow wall inside a Canberra art gallery, hang 21 colourful paintings – a satirical series depicting some of the most influential people who have shaped Australia. There’s a wonky looking King Charles, a canvas capturing Cathy Freeman’s famous Sydney 2000 Olympics victory, an image of former prime minister Scott Morrison mid-lecture – even the late Queen Elizabeth II appears.” So they are meant to be satire and the painting that the furore is about is one of a series by this artist. The artist himself chose the subjects and they are painted from photographs or other depictions; no one sat for the portraits
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Post by sueg on May 18, 2024 10:19:52 GMT
Here is a link to the Australian National Gallery where you can see all the portraits in the exhibition, as well as a bit about the artist and his work. It might give a bit more insight into how this particular portrait fits into the whole, and the aim of the artist in creating the work. Vincent Namatjira - Australia in Colour
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Post by mollycoddle on May 18, 2024 11:24:15 GMT
Is this a portrait or a caricature like something you would get at a fair? If it’s a caricature, fine. It’s unflattering, and looks like something that he drew in a few minutes. I guess that I’m wondering if she sat for it, because if she did, she has every right to be pissed. Especially if she paid for it. If she didn’t pay for it or sit for it, then no, I would just assume that it’s a caricature and laugh it off. From the original article: “On a stark yellow wall inside a Canberra art gallery, hang 21 colourful paintings – a satirical series depicting some of the most influential people who have shaped Australia. There’s a wonky looking King Charles, a canvas capturing Cathy Freeman’s famous Sydney 2000 Olympics victory, an image of former prime minister Scott Morrison mid-lecture – even the late Queen Elizabeth II appears.” So they are meant to be satire and the painting that the furore is about is one of a series by this artist. The artist himself chose the subjects and they are painted from photographs or other depictions; no one sat for the portraits In that case, as I said, I would just laugh it off.
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Post by lesserknownpea on May 18, 2024 11:53:34 GMT
“Art is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone will have their own interpretation.”It’s easy to sit in the peanut gallery and ridicule others actions. But if the tables were turned and it was your very unflattering photograph or painting on public display would you “develop a sense of humor” and let it stay up? Or asked to be taken down. For those who say they would leave up a very unflattering painting in a public venue, I’m not buying it. Of the wall of paintings her’s was the ugliest. I don’t blame her for wanting it taken down. I disagree, the one of The Queen is the least flattering. And Elizabeth was a lovely woman. While Gina is not, so the portrait is not that much of a stretch. Which I think is the sticking point. She is sensitive about her looks, and wants to be portrayed in a flattering way. The poor woman is really giving away a lot of information about her weaknesses with all this.
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Post by Zee on May 18, 2024 12:25:49 GMT
You don't have the right to demand a museum take down a portrait of anyone, not even yourself painted in an unflattering fashion. It would never occur to me to even try. I'm guessing from her response that she probably is an ugly unpleasant woman.
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Post by sueg on May 18, 2024 13:16:15 GMT
You don't have the right to demand a museum take down a portrait of anyone, not even yourself painted in an unflattering fashion. It would never occur to me to even try. I'm guessing from her response that she probably is an ugly unpleasant woman.Yes, she is. And I don't mean ugly in the sense of her looks (though she is no stunner in that department) but rather in the sense of her character.
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Post by purplebee on May 18, 2024 13:44:00 GMT
“Art is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone will have their own interpretation.”It’s easy to sit in the peanut gallery and ridicule others actions. But if the tables were turned and it was your very unflattering photograph or painting on public display would you “develop a sense of humor” and let it stay up? Or asked to be taken down. For those who say they would leave up a very unflattering painting in a public venue, I’m not buying it. Of the wall of paintings her’s was the ugliest. I don’t blame her for wanting it taken down. I initially agreed with this poster, and put myself in the place of the portrait’s subject. Then I thought if the portrait was a very unflattering depiction of Donald Trump, I’d be laughing my hiney off and saying let it stay!
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