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Post by jill8909 on May 28, 2024 11:59:06 GMT
Someone said recently that "God was watching over me" because a storm missed her house. Other houses in the area were damaged but hers was not.
Do people really believe that God chose them to protect but lets horrific things happen to other people? I know I sound snarky but I am asking seriously.
Is this just an expression or do people believe it?
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Post by dawnnikol on May 28, 2024 12:11:57 GMT
Someone said recently that "God was watching over me" because a storm missed her house. Other houses in the area were damaged but hers was not. Do people really believe that God chose them to protect but lets horrific things happen to other people? I know I sound snarky but I am asking seriously. Is this just an expression or do people believe it? Sometimes it's just a saying and sometimes they believe it. It's "God's Will" if something tragic happens, too.
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Post by cakediva on May 28, 2024 12:12:26 GMT
Some people have a very strong faith and truly believe these things. I think some use it as an expression. I stopped going to church and believing years ago - I have trouble with believing just what you said - he saves some and gives children cancer.
I don’t mock my friends faith, it is part of them. But I also don’t share it.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on May 28, 2024 13:38:34 GMT
These phrases drive me nuts, especially when there was another person who didn't get dealt the winning hand. God lets science do what science is going to do. I just can't believe he is up there micromanaging earth as a routine course of business.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 28, 2024 14:20:10 GMT
My aunt is the type of person who would say this. She is also the most unselfish, selfless person I know.
She would have also been praying for her home, of course, after she prayed for everyone else on Earth that she could think of.
She believes that God doesn't give a person more than they can handle, and I know for a fact that a couple years ago, her house was damaged terribly in a storm, and she literally THANKED GOD for looking out for her home, and that they had started insurance in time for it to be covered (after a very very long time without health or home insurance.) She felt she was better equipped at that time than others to deal with it.
I'm a "Jelly Roll" sort of prayer and believer. I sincerely *wish* I had her faith. She just went through cancer, and is still going through it. I'm so grateful that she should be ok. She's one of the brightest lights in my world, and even I hit my knees to pray for her. Her faith gave her enormous comfort.
Sometimes people really are good.
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Post by 950nancy on May 28, 2024 14:29:49 GMT
I think some people of faith truly believe what they are saying. It makes 100% sense for them. To me, it is the same saying I am blessed. Yes, things are working out for you, but what about the other person who is struggling who has faith? Are they not blessed? Are they less deserving?
I guess if you exchange the word blessed with lucky, it makes more sense to non believers.
It also reminds me of the people interviewed on tv that say they won the Super Bowl, golf tournament (insert whatever sport) and say God wanted it to happen. Their prayers were answered etc. What about the other team that was praying? My very favorite line from MASH was when Father Mulcahy said God answers all prayers. Sometimes he just says no. So many thoughts about human nature, beliefs, and how we think and believe.
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Post by Merge on May 28, 2024 14:35:15 GMT
This is one of the reasons I left the church and belief. Yes, many of them do believe that good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. It's at the heart of the prosperity gospel that is so popular now. We hear every time there is a natural disaster that it is "god's judgment."
I don't want anything to do with a god who supposedly makes innocent people suffer just because he can.
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Post by busy on May 28, 2024 14:38:41 GMT
Yes, some definitely believe that. Some also believe that anything good is from god and anything bad is from humans' free will. And some believe that they wouldn't have any way to know what's good or bad without religion to guide them. All of those are very troubling to me.
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Post by stormycat on May 28, 2024 14:49:44 GMT
My youngest 2 are adopted from foster care. My son suffered a severe TBI and will suffer with the effects for the rest of his life.
People tell me all the time how lucky he is to be with me and that God had a plan. Truly I am the lucky one as they really are the best boys. But I really have a hard time with it all, that my son had to go through all he has because he was meant to be with me. How can the plan to be with me involve a 5 week old innocent baby being hurt so bad. That where I have the issue with God watching over my boys
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Post by gar on May 28, 2024 14:53:04 GMT
Religious smugness at its finest.
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Post by peasapie on May 28, 2024 15:00:55 GMT
I think it's a way of taking the good and bad in life in stride. It doesn't bother me either way, though I am sure some people don't like the idea that the challenges we face are imposed by God.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 28, 2024 15:20:07 GMT
She believes that God doesn't give a person more than they can handle Do people really believe that God chose them to protect but lets horrific things happen to other people? I used to believe the above in a weird way. Like if somebody had to handle this situation, I guess it was better that it was me. And a lot of people actually believe something to this effect. Maybe not with an all knowing hardcore Christian faith, but I cannot tell you the number of times I have been told that I was specifically chosen to be my kids' mom due to the fact that I could totally understand all facets of their mental illness in the way another parent might not have been able to. I just nod and change the subject. But sometimes internally I'm thinking, who is this God who not only would make my own brain so difficult to work with, but also give me two kids who have the same issues. Why not give them to a parent who doesn't have to fight with their own mind too? I just shrug it all off because it is really genetics. Genetics I didn't understand until after my kids were even born. My dad, my brother, me, my two kids. This is a hereditary illness. It's science. How can the plan to be with me involve a 5 week old innocent baby being hurt so bad. That where I have the issue with God watching over my boys This is where it trips me up too. I have always been a spiritual person, not Christian, but I believed in God. And after Esther died, well, the idea of there being some kind of divine plan just got thrown totally out the window for me. There is no divine plan. I still believe in some kind of spirituality, but this idea of an all-powerful God just doesn't jive with me. If he's in control, he's doing a shit job, really.
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Post by katlady on May 28, 2024 15:38:48 GMT
Yes! It bothers me when someone says that thanks to God they found their dream home, yet a young boy dies from cancer. And I have one religious friend who says “luck” doesn’t exist, it is all God.
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Post by scrapmaven on May 28, 2024 15:53:45 GMT
Does anyone remember the movie, "Oh G-d" w/George Burns? In the movie G-d answers the "why some and not others" question by telling the other character that he gave us the tool box and it's up to us to use it properly. We all have free will and he doesn't intervene. I'm not sure why evil people live long lives, while truly good people suffer w/illness, poverty, abuse and death.
Last year I read the book "When Bad Things Happen to Good People" thinking I would have some epiphany. My take away from that book is "shit happens". It's random and we just have to deal w/it.
I do believe in G-d, but I also question the same things. Why are good, innocent children suffering in a 3rd world country, yet I live well in the USA? Do my choices make any difference at all? Why do innocent people suffer?
I don't begrudge those people who have strong faith, but I can't process the idea that an omnipotent G-d didn't save one child, yet saved the next child. I also don't think that Satan makes us do anything. If you punch someone in the face, it's because you chose to punch someone in the face or you were too high to know what you doing. Again, you got high, because of your addiction and not because of Satan.
Also, I absolutely don't believe that G-d will help you win your ball game, the lottery or or other mundane requests? We can't ask for stuff.
Then again, what do I know? Maybe the joke's on me.
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Post by Merge on May 28, 2024 17:23:52 GMT
I also find it annoying when my favorite baseball players (and they almost all do it) point to the sky when they get a hit or make a good play. I get it, I’m excited too, but god doesn’t care about a baseball game.
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Post by KiwiJo on May 28, 2024 21:18:54 GMT
I also find it annoying when my favorite baseball players (and they almost all do it) point to the sky when they get a hit or make a good play. I get it, I’m excited too, but god doesn’t care about a baseball game. I’m sure many/most of the sports players point to the sky, to ‘thank their God’ but it’s not the reason for all of them. A number of years ago a very prominent and much-loved rugby league player here drowned, and the guys from the team still point to the sky after they score a try, to say “this one’s for you, Sonny”.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 28, 2024 22:34:24 GMT
This is a pet peeve of mine. People say it for things like illness, accidents, etc. I also wonder if people who say it recognize how insensitive it is to people who weren’t as lucky as them.
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Post by workingclassdog on May 28, 2024 22:46:52 GMT
It's a really hard question to be honest. I believe in God with all my heart. For instance my mom was just in a tornado, I thanked God that she wasn't hurt and little damage. But then there is the house on the other side of town that got destroyed. The people lived. Do I thank God for what happened to them? I do thank him that those people lived? But why their house is gone and my mom's isn't?
I think well maybe because my mom is older and she wouldn't be able to handle her house being destroyed and God spared her? Maybe the people in the other house is better equipped to handle their house being gone? That all doesn't makes sense to me. But yet, I still have faith that God knows what He is doing. Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean there is something bigger I don't know about.
I wouldn't tell any of that to the people who lost their house though. Or whatever the situation is. I just try to comfort them or support them the best I can. If THEY want to pray or talk about God, I would listen, not preach.
Does any of that make any sense? LOL...
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Post by pilcas on May 28, 2024 22:49:44 GMT
I get it helps some people cope with things but I find it extremely annoying and naive. Here is this all powerful god pulling strings so that this and that happens. And of course, if the good things are his plans then so are the bad things. So all the wars, atrocities etc are all in Gods plan to. For a mysterious reason only he knows.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 28, 2024 23:17:04 GMT
I also find it annoying when my favorite baseball players (and they almost all do it) point to the sky when they get a hit or make a good play. I get it, I’m excited too, but god doesn’t care about a baseball game. Really? I'm surprised that they almost all do it. I can honestly say that I have never in my lifetime seen a cricket player point to the sky when they hit a six or take a wicket. And the only time I've seen a football player point to the sky after a goal is if a loved one has recently died. In that scenario, it's not a nod to god, it's an acknowledgement of their recently deceased loved one.
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Post by epeanymous on May 28, 2024 23:21:15 GMT
It also reminds me of the people interviewed on tv that say they won the Super Bowl, golf tournament (insert whatever sport) and say God wanted it to happen. Their prayers were answered etc. What about the other team that was praying? I was an active poster on Television Without Pity back in the day (it was confusing with Two Peas also!), and they had an expression, "God is in the tub," that they used to make fun of, eg, reality TV competitors who attributed victory to God or sports teams who said they were praying for victory; you're not supposed to bug Mom when she is in the tub unless it's reeeeeally important, and you shouldn't bug God about sportsball .
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Post by Merge on May 28, 2024 23:56:09 GMT
I also find it annoying when my favorite baseball players (and they almost all do it) point to the sky when they get a hit or make a good play. I get it, I’m excited too, but god doesn’t care about a baseball game. Really? I'm surprised that they almost all do it. I can honestly say that I have never in my lifetime seen a cricket player point to the sky when they hit a six or take a wicket. And the only time I've seen a football player point to the sky after a goal is if a loved one has recently died. In that scenario, it's not a nod to god, it's an acknowledgement of their recently deceased loved one. So, lots of professional baseball players in the US are either Hispanic immigrants or Black (or both). Both groups have higher rates of religious belief/affiliations than Americans as a whole. That's why. Lots have crosses tattooed on them somewhere. It's not to acknowledge a loved one who has died. The players will frequently thank god and talk about how god got them through in interviews. Perhaps I notice it more here - the majority of Houston's team are Hispanic immigrants.
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Post by SweetieBugs on May 28, 2024 23:56:47 GMT
It also reminds me of the people interviewed on tv that say they won the Super Bowl, golf tournament (insert whatever sport) and say God wanted it to happen. Their prayers were answered etc. What about the other team that was praying? I was an active poster on Television Without Pity back in the day (it was confusing with Two Peas also!), and they had an expression, "God is in the tub," that they used to make fun of, eg, reality TV competitors who attributed victory to God or sports teams who said they were praying for victory; you're not supposed to bug Mom when she is in the tub unless it's reeeeeally important, and you shouldn't bug God about sportsball . TWoP for the win!!! Loved that place. Because of the heavy moderation, the only intelligent conversations about TV on the internet.
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Post by nightnurse on May 29, 2024 1:03:58 GMT
I went out to eat once and when the waitress brought our bill, it only had our drinks, not our meals. Brought it to the register and told them what we ate for dinner and that it wasn’t on the bill and the guy ringing me up said, “god is watching you!” Like god would be proud I was honest. I was so offended. I need god watching me to do the right thing? And in general I find the whole god was watching out or god saved us so self centered. Yeah, Ethel, god found your keys for you, meanwhile there are millions of people being raped and murdered, but you know, the free will of the murderer is central to gods plan 🙄
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Post by AussieMeg on May 29, 2024 1:06:37 GMT
Really? I'm surprised that they almost all do it. I can honestly say that I have never in my lifetime seen a cricket player point to the sky when they hit a six or take a wicket. And the only time I've seen a football player point to the sky after a goal is if a loved one has recently died. In that scenario, it's not a nod to god, it's an acknowledgement of their recently deceased loved one. So, lots of professional baseball players in the US are either Hispanic immigrants or Black (or both). Both groups have higher rates of religious belief/affiliations than Americans as a whole. That's why. Lots have crosses tattooed on them somewhere. It's not to acknowledge a loved one who has died. The players will frequently thank god and talk about how god got them through in interviews. Perhaps I notice it more here - the majority of Houston's team are Hispanic immigrants. That makes sense. I don't follow rugby, but it's a similar scenario here with the rugby players. A lot of the players are of Pacific Islander descent, and they have a higher rate of religious beliefs as well.
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Post by Merge on May 29, 2024 1:10:11 GMT
I went out to eat once and when the waitress brought our bill, it only had our drinks, not our meals. Brought it to the register and told them what we ate for dinner and that it wasn’t on the bill and the guy ringing me up said, “god is watching you!” Like god would be proud I was honest. I was so offended. I need god watching me to do the right thing? And in general I find the whole god was watching out or god saved us so self centered. Yeah, Ethel, god found your keys for you, meanwhile there are millions of people being raped and murdered, but you know, the free will of the murderer is central to gods plan 🙄 I always find it funny when people ask how you know right from wrong as a non-believer. IDK, babe, if it hurts or defrauds or oppresses someone else, it's wrong. Seems like you don't need a god to tell you that.
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Post by jill8909 on May 29, 2024 1:22:54 GMT
thanks everyone. this was interesting and helpful.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on May 29, 2024 1:47:12 GMT
The crux of this question is exactly why I am no longer a believer. There's no acceptable answer to the questions of: Do people really believe that God chose them to protect but lets horrific things happen to other people?
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