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Post by crazy4scraps on May 30, 2024 13:44:43 GMT
Last night probably around 2:00 am, my little dog started barking like crazy. I could hear a thumping sound which I just assumed was my other big dog’s tail or foot, like what happens when he’s scratching an itch (and is a very, very common occurrence because he has some allergies). The little dog settled down, the thumping stopped and everyone went back to sleep. (Of course you see where this is going, right?)
Woke up this morning to find dried poop smeared on the tile and the edge of the front door rug at the bottom of the stairs in the hallway, the gate to the livingroom knocked down, the robot vacuum knocked out of place and with crap all over the underside of it. Ugh. Just ugh! Apparently, the big dog had another seizure last night at the bottom of the stairs, crapped himself, knocked the robot vac into action, and within ten minutes it got totally gummed up in all the poop. 😱😩😭 Eventually the dog must have regained his composure and made it back upstairs where he promptly jumped up onto the bed on DH’s side. 🤮
Some of you may recall this happened once before a few months ago when DD and I were home alone. It was a Saturday and I did call the vet (which is an hour’s drive away one way) and they said to just watch him close over the weekend but he seemed okay after that. We already have an annual checkup appointment made for him for tomorrow so we’ll take him in then unless something else happens today. I can’t think of anything he could have gotten into or anything out of the ordinary that might have been a trigger. It’s all just so weird. Now that it’s happened twice and totally out of the blue both times, I’m more concerned that this will be an ongoing issue.
And of course today is the last day of school, with DD heading out on a last day of middle school field trip for the whole 8th grade for a dance that she was getting dressed up more than usual for. Cleaning dried poo off the floor, bathing the dog outside, shampooing the rug and washing all of my king size bedding was not how I wanted to spend my morning today. 😕
ETA: the dog is a yellow lab about six years old.
ETA 2: So I thought I would go out and see what I could do about the robot vacuum. OMG. DH HOSED IT OFF WITH THE GARDEN HOSE! 😱 He didn’t even take the rechargeable battery out first. 😤 Water was still pouring out of it when I picked it up. Who does that? I mean seriously. He might as well have just chucked it straight in the trash because I highly doubt that it’s going to work again after this. If he would have taken ten seconds to Google, he would have known you need to just let the shit dry and then chisel it off, wipe it down with a damp cloth and replace the brushes and filter. But NOOOO. Let’s just completely ruin a $300 vacuum cleaner to add insult to injury. 🤦🏻♀️ I’m absolutely sick over this whole episode. Now to go see what I can do about the rug which is likely also destined for the trash. 😭
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Tearisci
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Post by Tearisci on May 30, 2024 13:58:18 GMT
Ugh I don't have any answers but I'm sorry you are dealing with this. I had a dog that had vestibular syndrome so she would walk like a drunken sailor with her eyes pinging back and forth but never dealt with seizures. Sounds like it's time for a checkup.
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Post by Merge on May 30, 2024 14:09:26 GMT
I’m sorry. Our Missy started having seizures once in a while around 18 mos. By the time she was three, they were increasing in frequency to about two per week. They checked for tumors or other causes and nothing was found. Diagnosed with canine epilepsy. We decided with our vet at that point to put her on phenobarbital. She’s been seizure free since then - and she’s happy and healthy at age 12.
It’s worth checking with your vet to rule out other causes, and then decide what to do from there.
ETA: at the time we decided to medicate, we had a real concern that our heeler, Ellie, would kill or injure Missy during a seizure if we weren’t around. Ellie was very freaked out by the seizures and would try to attack. Missy also seemed very distressed by the seizures and was not herself for a long time after each one.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 30, 2024 14:11:23 GMT
Ugh I don't have any answers but I'm sorry you are dealing with this. I had a dog that had vestibular syndrome so she would walk like a drunken sailor with her eyes pinging back and forth but never dealt with seizures. Sounds like it's time for a checkup. Thanks. We’ve had a lot of dogs over the years and only one other allegedly had seizures but it was nothing like this. My first toy poodle in his end days did this weird thing where it looked like his teeth were chattering, and in hindsight the vet said that was a seizure. But he never crapped himself or flopped around on the floor like we saw this one do the previous time a few months ago. I didn’t get up last night to see what the ruckus was about because it literally sounded exactly like the dog was thumping his paw on the floor the same way it sounds when he’s scratching his armpit or belly. He’s getting checked out tomorrow. For now he’s just sleeping in his usual spot behind DH’s chair, like he usually does.
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naby64
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Post by naby64 on May 30, 2024 14:20:49 GMT
I am so sorry. We have a catahoula husky mix that has random seizures. There are no triggers and they don't happen enough to be called regular. So we just keep an eye on him. We know when it is happening if it's during awake hours. Luckily for us, we only have to clean up a trickle of urine. Usually do a doggie wipe on him.
Now that I think back, I do know one thing I did. Whether it was a trigger or not, he had a seizure right after. I was doing my nails before a wedding. I was running a bit behind so I sprayed some of that quick dry stuff on my nails. Almost immediately Scout started seizing. He gets very stiff when his happen. We just rub on him, love him and talk soft. Takes 3-5 minutes and things run their course.
I would be you. Unless something else happens, I would wait for his appt tomorrow.
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Post by calgaryscrapper on May 30, 2024 14:25:01 GMT
A friend has insurance for his two dogs. One dog did not want to eat or let him near her one day. He took her to the Veterinarian right away. Long story short she had cancer then received treatment through his plan. Then a couple of weeks later the one year old dog fell down the stairs. Again, back to the Veterinarian and found out it has a genetic problem with the knees and needed surgery.
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Post by mnmloveli on May 30, 2024 17:21:55 GMT
I had a black lab that started have seizures at about 5 1/2 - 6 years of age. He only had about 1 every six months and we chose not to put on meds per our vet. At about 7 years old, he had 3 seizures in 2 days and the vet felt it was time for meds.
He started on phenobarbital which made him very weak. As we watched him closely, we realized the local pharmacy filled the prescription wrong and we were actually over-dosing him every day. Phenobarbital is a human med that is prescribed in “grains” not mg. Even though we caught this within the first week, his weakness in his legs continued. Our vet, after speaking with others, thought he might have become allergic to the pheno because of the overdose. Once we switched meds, (sorry can’t remember the new med) he never had another seizure, returned to his lively self and lived to 11, passing from something not related.
Hope your dog feels better.
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zippythebird
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Post by zippythebird on May 30, 2024 17:39:04 GMT
One of my Mum's dogs starting having seizures it turned out He had Epilepsy, He is on medication now and is getting back to normal He is a Shollie A German Shepard Border Collie cross . He is super smart a big softie but a good guard dog when required , He also likes to try and herd My mums four cats lol
I hope your dog gets well soon
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Post by clarencelynn on May 30, 2024 19:10:07 GMT
I'm sorry this is happening to your baby.
Our sweet rescue dog, Cheddar, came to us with a history of 'maybe having seizures'. Poor Cheddar has seizures every 2-3 weeks, even with enormous amounts of medication (phenobarbital and Keppra). His can happen during awake hours or during sleep. He sometimes starts acting a little 'funny' a day or two prior to the seizure (looking at us with very wide eyes or being lethargic more than usual). The seizures last 30 seconds to 1 minute, then he spends the next couple of hours pacing and wanting food/water. Then he's back to normal for the next few weeks. He does lose bladder control, sometime a small amount of feces comes out.
Our vet does a lot of research and consulting with a neurological vet to help us. We'd like to see him have longer than 3 weeks between seizures. We currently have him on extended release Keppra (every 12 hours) but may look into changing him to regular release Keppra (every 8 hours).
It's so hard to see him go through this. He comes out of his seizures and seems so confused (what just happened?) He's a sweet sweet sweet Coon Hound mix that happens to have a little zippity-skippity in his brain every once in a while.
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Post by whipea on May 31, 2024 0:44:57 GMT
My previous Whippet had Epilepsy. He was on Phenobarbital and Potassium Bromide which pretty much controlled the seizures, but he did have breakthrough seizures every few months. They were almost always at night and seemed to correlate with the lunar cycles. He had a pretty normal and happy dog life and lived until he was 12 years old.
There was a website I used to visit called Epilepsy Angels that had tons of helpful information. Not sure if it there anymore.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 31, 2024 2:00:47 GMT
A friend has insurance for his two dogs. One dog did not want to eat or let him near her one day. He took her to the Veterinarian right away. Long story short she had cancer then received treatment through his plan. Then a couple of weeks later the one year old dog fell down the stairs. Again, back to the Veterinarian and found out it has a genetic problem with the knees and needed surgery. These were actual seizures because I witnessed the first one firsthand. He literally flopped around on the floor, looking all wild eyed, pooped himself and then flopped around in his poop because he had zero bodily control. I would imagine the second one last night was a similar situation because the end result was nearly identical with poop ground into the tile grout, poop ground into the dog, only this time with the added bonus of the trashed robot vacuum that he likely turned on by accident because it happened to be in the proximity of the seizure at the bottom of the stairs. We don’t have pet insurance. We haven’t ever had a pet that had an ongoing health issue like that.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 31, 2024 2:04:35 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input. We already had an appointment on the books for tomorrow so this will just be one more thing we’ll address when we’re there. This dog had some other weird thing going on over a year ago where it seemed like he was biting at imaginary bugs. The vet never did get to the bottom of that one but we kept changing his food and he eventually stopped doing that so we chalked it up to some sort of allergy.
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Post by kristi521 on May 31, 2024 14:51:41 GMT
I’m sorry. Our Missy started having seizures once in a while around 18 mos. By the time she was three, they were increasing in frequency to about two per week. They checked for tumors or other causes and nothing was found. Diagnosed with canine epilepsy. We decided with our vet at that point to put her on phenobarbital. She’s been seizure free since then - and she’s happy and healthy at age 12. It’s worth checking with your vet to rule out other causes, and then decide what to do from there. ETA: at the time we decided to medicate, we had a real concern that our heeler, Ellie, would kill or injure Missy during a seizure if we weren’t around. Ellie was very freaked out by the seizures and would try to attack. Missy also seemed very distressed by the seizures and was not herself for a long time after each one. Our chocolate lab got them as well. We put him on phenobarbital. We had to work a bit to get him on the right dosage, but once he was there, he was good. He lived until 12-13 (aren't sure exactly how old as he was a rescue).
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on May 31, 2024 20:36:36 GMT
I searched for what I posted in the past and copied and pasted below the --- . Michel and the others that have had seizures, for my dogs, they needed to be held, it comforted them. In fact, Michel would seek me out to make sure I held him. The below worked for my dogs, maybe not all since it would depend on what is causing the seizures. --- Michel, my avatar, started having them at 2 years old. Three weeks later, he had another one. I put him on Childrens DHA after talking to the owner of the local health food store. The vet said they'd have to be closer together before she wanted to put him on anything and I preferred to go as natural as possible.
Since most Childrens DHA has a fruity flavor that dogs don’t like much, I’d pour some cod liver oil over it, it is similar to DHA but does taste better to DOGS than kids! Michel weighed 6 pounds and I think I gave him about 1/8th teaspoon a day so that gives you an idea of dosage.
He had (water on the brain) hydrocephalus at birth but didn't have it as bad as one of his sisters, she only lived about 3 weeks, started having seizures. The vet gave Michel only about 2 months to live but he made it 9 years, 2 months, 10 days. His little heart just gave out because he wasn't born with all the chambers.
After figuring out how much worked best for him, he only had one very very mild seizure a year. In fact, if I hadn't learned so much about seizures in dogs, I wouldn't have realized it WAS a seizure.
On thing, keep crushed ice in a few baggies in the freezer, not frozen vegetables, has to be crushed ice. If a dog starts having a seizure, put the bag of ice on his spine between the bottom rib and hip bone and it can and did stop Michel's seizures. Hopefully, it will work with your dog.
I found out about it on the internet and my vet confirmed it did work. I think she said it cooled down the spinal cord, that it gets hot when a dog is seizing. I started to ask her, why didn't you TELL me!!!
Good luck and I hope things work out well for your dog.I think the reason that vets want to wait until seizures are so close together is that the drugs that stop seizures are really harder on the dogs health than the seizures are.
My little Dachshund Michel, started having them at 2 years old. Three weeks later, he had another one. I put him on Childrens DHA after talking to the owner of the local health food store. The vet said they'd have to be closer together before she wanted to put him on anything and I preferred to go as natural as possible. It is by Nordic Naturals and has a strawberry flavor that kids might like but dogs not so much. Since it is cod liver oil, plus more of “something”, I think Omega 3 oils, I kept natural cod liver oil and put a little on top of the strawberry flavored and the rascal liked the awful tasting stuff. It comes in either soft gels which I had to pierce with a pin and squirt on the food and liquid which was better because I could use a dropper to dispense.
It doesn’t immediately stop them but it took at least 2 or 3 months, each seizure he had would be milder and milder until them seemed to completely go away. If he had one, it was so mild that it was hard to tell. And as I say below, it got down to where he had one extremely mild seizure once a year and I wouldn’t have realized it was a seizure if I hadn’t been through it before with him.
He weighed only 6 pounds and as I recall, I gave him about 6 drops of the DHA on top of his food and a few drops of regular cod liver oil since he didn’t like the strawberry flavor. I think I did it twice a day. I fed him three times a day since he seemed to have low blood sugar.
I put it on top of his food or something he loved so he would eat it. I know at least one of his seizures was caused by low blood sugar because he wasn’t feeling good one day and didn’t eat most of the day. I started boiling chicken for him and shredding it with my mixer and sprinkling it over the top of his food and poured a little chicken broth over his food and soaking it in. He had an underbite so this helped him eat better.
He had (water on the brain) hydrocephalus at birth but didn't have it as bad as one of his sisters, she only lived about 3 weeks, started having seizures. The vet gave Michel only about 2 months to live but he made it 9 years, 2 months, 10 days. His little heart just gave out because he wasn't born with all the chambers.
After figuring out how much worked best for him, he only had one very very mild seizure a year. In fact, if I hadn't learned so much about seizures in dogs, I wouldn't have realized it WAS a seizure.
On thing, keep crushed ice in a few baggies in the freezer, not frozen vegetables, has to be crushed ice. If a dog starts having a seizure, put the bag of ice on his spine between the bottom rib and hip bone and it can and did stop Michel's seizures. Hopefully, it will work with your dog.
I found out about it on the internet and my vet confirmed it did work. I think she said it cooled down the spinal cord, that it gets hot when a dog is seizing. I started to ask her, why didn't you TELL me!!!
Good luck and I hope things work out well for your dog. Must be! In a way, I kind of became a veterinarian. When I was 16 and 17, I took care of two sets of baby birds, Orchard Orioles and Mockingbirds. Both sets of baby birds would have died if I hadn't taken them in when their nests were destroyed in a storm. Fed them and kept them alive, caught crickets for them to catch and eat and slowly introduced them to the outside world. I know for sure that they lived for weeks outside in the wild, they'd come back to visit.
And several of the dogs you see in my signature had some health problems. Especially the little guy in my avatar. Veterinarian gave him maybe 2 months to live, he was born with hydrocephalus and didn't have all the chambers of his heart or there was a hole between chambers, don't remember which. He was also prone to seizures, especially if I worked too much and he didn't get enough attention.
I learned childrens DHA helped tremendously with that, he seizures dwindled to one very very minor one once a year until his last 3 months. Crushed ice in a bag placed at the base of his spine made seizures go away if he had one. This is just the tip of the iceberg of the things I learned to help him and his siblings but it helped him to live 9 YEARS, 2 months and 10 days. He was such a happy little guy and such a social butterfly, loved attention from everyone but especially me.
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Post by epeanymous on May 31, 2024 23:37:02 GMT
I am sorry. I had a beagle with epilepsy in my 20s; it was reasonably controllable through medication, but the whole thing was scary to watch.
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Post by SallyPA on Jun 1, 2024 14:04:36 GMT
I am so sorry. My dog had cardiogenic seizures. So they didn’t arise in the brain or were neurologic. Her little heart didn’t work well and when she exerted herself physically or emotionally, her heart couldn’t meet her bodies oxygen demands and she’d flop over and have a seizure. So in her case, she took a heart medicine and we limited her exertion and that fixed it.
She went on to live several more happy and healthy years once we got that fixed. I hope your vet can help you pup similarly.
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scrapngranny
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Post by scrapngranny on Jun 1, 2024 16:41:37 GMT
My border collie had seizures for several years. This is some of what I learned. Idiopathic seizures begin usually around age 4. Obviously, your dog is much younger than that. My dog was 10 when she started having them. Doctor suspected it might be a brain tumor. I decided not to do any follow up on that. Because there was really not much I could do if that was the cause. The vet suggested not to begin phenobarbital at that time as long as the seizures were occasional, because she would build up a tolerance to it over time. The frequency of her seizures varied a lot over years, from one a week to none for 2 months. This went on for 4 years, then they became must more often and she became disoriented and we chose to put her down. In hindsight I blamed the heart worm, flea, tick medicine she had taken. I stopped using it when she began having seizures. I don’t have any proof that it was the meds, it is just my gut feeling. The vet sort of ruled out brain tumor, since she had the seizures for 4 years, a tumor would have killed her much faster. It was hard to watch her seizures, messy, and unpredictable, but we had her for 4 extra years. When she wasn’t seizing, she was 100% her old self. She ran, played, did her jobs on the farm just like always. That’s what I learned, which really isn’t much. Every dog is different. I hope your dog’s was a one time occurrence. Best of luck.
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