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Post by onelasttime on Jun 2, 2024 2:16:39 GMT
Some men have been complaining that masculinity is under attack. Based on what the Kicker said in his commencement speech I think he believes this as well as the man in the reel below. And one thing that seems to bug these guys is the idea women can do everything men can. Which got me thinking. Putting aside the sexual difference between a man and a woman, what can a man do that no woman can do? I’ve been pondering it this afternoon but can’t think of anything. Am I missing something? www.instagram.com/reel/C7k2TmkxnPX/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Post by Merge on Jun 2, 2024 2:19:00 GMT
Compete in men’s professional sports is the only thing that comes to mind. Generally we don’t have the physical strength to compete with men at that level.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 2, 2024 2:34:46 GMT
Compete in men’s professional sports is the only thing that comes to mind. Generally we don’t have the physical strength to compete with men at that level. That’s all that I can think of. It’s such a disturbing trend; there are too many people who think that women should stay home and have children. Coupled with abortion bans and quite possibly contraception bans, it is a scary time for young women. I hope that there are enough of us to fight back by voting.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 2, 2024 2:50:02 GMT
I thought about that and then I remembered this….
”On Sept. 20, 1973, top women's tennis player Billie Jean King defeated former No. 1 ranked men's tennis player Bobby Riggs in a "Battle of the Sexes" match.”
Even though he wasn’t at the top of his game being a former #1 ranked player one would think being a male he could beat a woman player at the top of her game.
My thinking is that even if Riggs had been ranked the #1 male player when the two played she still could have beaten him because of how good of a player she was.
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Post by breetheflea on Jun 2, 2024 3:10:00 GMT
I can't think of anything a woman couldn't do, just a bunch of things I have no interest in doing or can't do personally because I'm short and a wimp (American Ninja Warrior (the course is not made for short people), crab fishing in Alaska, extreme weightlifting, most sports...
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Post by miominmio on Jun 2, 2024 5:33:47 GMT
We are physically weaker than men, so jobs that require strenght and stamina beyond what we are capable of, should be left to men (I’m all for gender preferential treatment, but not if that puts someone else at risk, for instance most, if not all, special forces jobs should be left to the guys. I know my country opened up for women to go through the same selection process as men, and they use women as operators since in some theaters they need females to talk to other females. But to my (albeit limited) knowledge, no woman has so far met the same criteria as the men. And as long as they don’t, they shouldn’t be allowed. I’m all for women in combat roles, but not when they can’t meet the same physical criteria).
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Post by 3boysnme on Jun 2, 2024 10:29:55 GMT
I know some extremely strong women. I'm sure if there are some in my little neck of the woods, there will be some located all over. My friends trained a good portion of their lives. They can lift heavy. There are some men-only jobs that seem like only men can do because no woman wants to do them. But some women can. About the only thing I can think of that men can do that NO woman can do, is to provide sperm to make a child.
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 2, 2024 12:04:11 GMT
Yeah, we all wish we could be home vacuuming and making bread instead of having to think about all these silly work things or getting advanced degrees and all. Besides, we're so emotional at certain times of the month, maybe the important stuff is best left to the fellas. Like this Instagram guy says, we should "create the most powerful synergy that exists in this entire world," you know, like the 50s where Dad sat in his chair reading while Mom cooked and brought him beer. All these lady astronauts, lady doctors, lady athletes, lady pilots are making it hard for guys, although I can't think how.
The guy in your Instagram post, like many guys, doesn't understand that "toxic masculinity" doesn't mean all masculinity. I had to enlighten DH about the difference when he started spewing nonsense. Our three daughters have been raised to be strong and independent so they chimed in, too. He gets it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 2, 2024 15:08:38 GMT
Without women they wouldn't be here to play macho!! 3boysnme
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Post by Restless Spirit on Jun 2, 2024 15:50:01 GMT
Contact sports from the safety standpoint, would make it unwise to compete head to head.
My grandson started playing hockey at 3-4 yrs of age. There were always girls on his team. It wasn’t until they were allowed to check (USA Hockey 12 and under could not check) that the separation was mandatory. I understand from the safety point. The AAA league he currently plays is in has some wonderful successful all girl teams. They are every bit as skilled as the boys.
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 2, 2024 16:15:24 GMT
Even though he wasn’t at the top of his game being a former #1 ranked player one would think being a male he could beat a woman player at the top of her game. My thinking is that even if Riggs had been ranked the #1 male player when the two played she still could have beaten him because of how good of a player she was. She would not have beaten him if he was at the top of his game and ranked #1 at the time of the competition. Look at the swimmer Lia Thomas. She was placing in the mid 500ths in mens competition and was in the top 3 and # 1 in the 500 free in women's competition. ... from 554th place ranking in mens to first place in womens. Men are physically stronger than women. There are some very strong women, and there are men that are not as strong as other men, but with a few exceptions - even a weaker man is stronger than a woman. It's just the way nature is.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Jun 2, 2024 16:19:33 GMT
Just my personal thoughts:
I think, based on the situation.... it is both competitiveness AND-OR superiority complex.
I think there are both men and women that *have to* win. They get pissed if they are beat, bested, don't win, someone else is better at "whatever it is". I think there are both men and women, that like to feel superior to others. They seek out people who *they* believe are inferior to them. A family member, a friend, a colleague, a neighbor, etc... My ex-Husband was one of them. ...he couldn't stand anyone besting him at anything. I have an acquaintance that is that way. He especially can't stand, if a women is better than him at anything. He is a classic case male chauvinist. I have a female colleague, that hates if I do as much work as them. They like to be known as *the one* who does the most.
Honestly, I think it all comes down to ego, pride and a persons character. Some have humbleness and grace, some don't.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 2, 2024 17:35:36 GMT
Similar to those who have to have the last word. Or the person who has to tell the last story because it is 'better' then yours.. To do one better, whether it really is or not! Superior to all else.
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Post by Merge on Jun 2, 2024 17:39:24 GMT
Plenty of men out there who want women to do all the childcare and housework but also think a woman who wants to stay home with the kids is a lazy gold digger. Or the man resents or gets nervous about being the only one bringing in an income. Seems women can't win.
It isn't lost on me that the tradwife influencers are, in fact, taking time away from their home and family to produce content, post photos and videos, and interact with followers. They're working from home just like so many others do. Is that really the tradwife model?
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 2, 2024 17:51:35 GMT
Men can write their names in the snow with their urine, very useful skill! So much of “masculinity” seems to be founded on feeling and acting superior to women. Lots of talk about how men are physically stronger, and sure, that’s on average, but there are plenty of scrawny little 5’2” men and bulky 6’ women. Men need to stop pretending there are certain jobs only men can do and stop focusing on ways to subjugate women and just focusing on being and doing their best.
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Post by busy on Jun 2, 2024 18:03:09 GMT
There are some very strong women, and there are men that are not as strong as other men, but with a few exceptions - even a weaker man is stronger than a woman. It's just the way nature is. Disagree. While the average man is stronger than the average woman, those are just averages. Many women are plenty strong and can hang with average or stronger men just fine. I'm one of them, and I'm a 51 year old women who has lifted weights 3-4 times a week for 10-15 years. I'm not some kind of hardcore lifter with crazy genetics but I'm easily as strong as an average man. I know plenty of women who are stronger than me. And what exactly is "strength?" Just the ability to lift/move weight? There's a good body of research that shows women are better at ultra-endurance sports than men. Is that not a form of strength? On average, women are more flexible and agile than men as well.
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Post by sideways on Jun 2, 2024 18:46:45 GMT
I thought about that and then I remembered this…. ”On Sept. 20, 1973, top women's tennis player Billie Jean King defeated former No. 1 ranked men's tennis player Bobby Riggs in a "Battle of the Sexes" match.” Even though he wasn’t at the top of his game being a former #1 ranked player one would think being a male he could beat a woman player at the top of her game. My thinking is that even if Riggs had been ranked the #1 male player when the two played she still could have beaten him because of how good of a player she was. I highly recommend listening Julia Louis-Dreyfus’s interview with BJK on her podcast. It’s called Wiser Than Me. I actually recommend the podcast in general, but this interview was especially good.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jun 2, 2024 19:56:29 GMT
From my experience there’s a difference between a man and masculinity. Just like there’s a difference between a woman and femininity.
Everyone has a masculine and feminine side to them no matter what their gender or sexual preference is.
We need both because they work as a team but not both as in 2 people but both as in 1.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jun 2, 2024 20:05:15 GMT
We are physically weaker than men, so jobs that require strenght and stamina beyond what we are capable of, should be left to men (I’m all for gender preferential treatment, but not if that puts someone else at risk, for instance most, if not all, special forces jobs should be left to the guys. I know my country opened up for women to go through the same selection process as men, and they use women as operators since in some theaters they need females to talk to other females. But to my (albeit limited) knowledge, no woman has so far met the same criteria as the men. And as long as they don’t, they shouldn’t be allowed. I’m all for women in combat roles, but not when they can’t meet the same physical criteria). It reminds me of the original biology of a male human body and a female human body. Like when you think of it in survival mode. I understand we have evolved from that but I think instinctually it will always be there.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Jun 2, 2024 20:12:13 GMT
Pee with their pants still on. That's all I can think of.
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Post by quinlove on Jun 2, 2024 20:34:54 GMT
Well, if men were the gender to give birth - we all know how that would turn out.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 2, 2024 20:48:01 GMT
Pee with their pants still on. That's all I can think of. If we are getting technical we can also do this My mom raised us as a single woman until I was 10, and she was so strong and so pro independence for women. My favorite shirt growing up was “anything boys can do girls can do better.” (Yes, I can see how that could be taken as a problematic anti-male thought, but that’s not how it was presented to us). She really instilled in us that our gender should not hold us back, that we were just as capable, and we were fierce. As for the rest, I think that as far as size and strength go, the average man will be bigger and stronger than the average woman and that gives them (the gender) an advantage in those areas overall. But that absolutely does not mean that some women won’t be able to compete with them in sports and for anything requiring strength. Also, you can make the stereotype that women (as a gender) are better in caregiver and homemaker roles; but that’s simply because that’s how the majority of us were raised. That’s changing and I am so glad to see it. Men can be just as caring and women can be just as strong and fierce as men can. I feel like all of the men I see fighting this fight are insecure and threatened in their place in the world and need something to feel superior. Because the only thing I think one sex can do that the other absolutely can’t is carry a baby. And I’m pretty sure that’s changing as well.
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Post by busy on Jun 3, 2024 16:31:47 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 3, 2024 16:47:27 GMT
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on Jun 3, 2024 16:54:15 GMT
My ex is like this.
He once had the nerve to tell me that "the workplace" went downhill after women started working outside the home -- that men had to "act differently" because women get so emotional and are so sensitive and it has negatively affected the business world since. This same man is the one who refused to drop our child off at a friend's house last weekend because they had only given him two hours' notice & instead dropped them off at the house "to think about what they did" while he went out for the afternoon with his wife... which happened right after he had almost gotten kicked out of our son's Little League game for arguing with the ump about a (perfectly legitimate) call.
That's been my experience with the men who act like this: they are so incredibly insecure about themselves and their place in the world that they cling to anything that excuses them from taking responsibility for their own actions.
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Post by casii on Jun 3, 2024 17:56:18 GMT
This is satire from Gloria Steinem that was published in 1978, but if does ring true that if men had periods, they'd do it bigger and better than women. If Men Could Menstruate
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 3, 2024 17:57:11 GMT
Look it's just directly related to our "agreed upon hierarchy" thread -- there are a lot of men out there who long for a time when they could claim superiority and dominance just by being male, and they have a big sad that the world doesn't work that way anymore. It would just be pathetic were they not actively trying to change it back.
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Post by Gem Girl on Jun 3, 2024 20:54:05 GMT
they cling to anything that excuses them from taking responsibility for their own actions. So, they genuinely ARE better at extending their own childhoods for a repulsive duration? Let's give them big trophies for it; they'll be so excited!
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 5, 2024 5:54:46 GMT
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