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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 15:29:05 GMT
I'm a planner and I like to utilise thrift stores for clothes when possible so I'm already looking ahead to my early October trip to England and Scotland and thinking about what to wear - I've been in Florida for 20+ years so my wardrobe skews heavily towards warm weather clothing and I know I'll need to add in some warmer clothes. I haven't been back to England in decades and I've never been to Scotland. I hate being hot so I'm thinking layers vs heavy clothes in general so I can adjust for activity level/indoor/outdoor. We have a direct flight but will be using trains (local and long distance) in the UK so need to pack as light as possible since we'll be dragging luggage with us several days. We'll be there for 2 weeks and will have access to laundry facilities part of the time. What should I plan on packing? Our fanciest dinners will be in a pub so I don't need dressy clothes
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Post by ntsf on Jun 10, 2024 15:34:47 GMT
pack a light fleece jacket or pull over.. then a raincoat over that.. add in a thin undershirt or tank in silk or wool. multiple light layers is the way to go. add a warm hat, a headband, and gloves.
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Post by lesley on Jun 10, 2024 15:39:10 GMT
When my son's girlfriend visits from Florida, she never brings a proper coat or jacket and borrows all of mine instead. 🤦🏼♀️ It drives me crazy! So make sure you have a decent waterproof jacket, maybe with a removable inner jacket that you could wear on its own too. Layers are always the way to go. Depending where you are in Scotland will determine how many layers you'll need! It’s usually much colder in gillyp's corner of the country than mine. October can be pretty varied though. Temperatures in the mid/high teens (60s) are not unusual, but nor are much lower ones. Basically, you need to cover every eventuality. 😂 Sorry to be of no help whatsoever. 😁
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Post by gar on Jun 10, 2024 15:47:04 GMT
It's tricky...summer is a bit of a non starter at the moment but we could easily get an Indian summer and have a glorious warm September and a mild October. Having said that, layers are definitely the way to go. Have a lightweight waterproof jacket for sure and whatever layers you have but we warned - everyone will say "Well, when I went....." but there is no normal for us really, particularly these days, so you will perhaps just have to come with the thought in mind that you may have to buy either a t-shirt or a winter coat
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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 15:48:36 GMT
Depending where you are in Scotland will determine how many layers you'll need! Aberdeen and then taking the ferry from Oban to Mull light fleece jacket or pull over.. then a raincoat over that I have a couple of rain jackets but not coats - do you think those would work? I'm not overly stressed about rain - it rains alot here also and at least there it'll be cool enough to wear a rain jacket. I'll keep an eye out for a light fleece. Thank you both
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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 15:50:35 GMT
" but there is no normal for us really, particularly these days, so you will perhaps just have to come with the thought in mind that you may have to buy either a t-shirt or a winter coat well...hopefully just the t-shirt
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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 15:51:40 GMT
And yes - I know...I was born in England but it's been forever since I've been back and I only lived there briefly 3 different times growing up because Dad was mostly stationed overseas so...
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 10, 2024 15:54:44 GMT
If space is an issue, I pick the thinnest material possible.. like cotton leggings to wear with tops that are longer. If I need a jacket, I would 'wear' it on the plane to save luggage space. If sweatshirt or sweater is needed, I might consider wearing that on the plane with a tee underneath in case it is hot. I also learned from here, wear older undies you can toss if needed.. lol... and smallest sized hair/makeup stuff that can be disposed of if needed.
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Post by gillyp on Jun 10, 2024 18:00:54 GMT
Aberdeen is roughly half way between lesley and me. I’ve always found Aberdeen to be cold and windy - and I’m used to the cold!! Depending on whether you are coming at the start of October or the end, remember our clocks go back around 20th October so it will be getting dark by 4 pm and that will make it feel colder. So hat, scarf, gloves would be an idea too, especially for the Ferry. As the others have said, our weather has been all over the place and it’s tricky advising what might be best. It’s currently 10° here, so it’s chilly and definitely a few thin layers and a fleecy jacket would be needed outside. Maybe bring clothes that you would be happy leaving behind and which means you will have space in your cases for souvenirs! You’ll be seeing some fabulous scenery on your way from east to west.
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Post by Lexica on Jun 10, 2024 18:06:23 GMT
I have two jackets that I love and are very versatile, one by North Face and the other is by Columbia. They have removable liners inside of a waterproof exterior. I usually start out with the warm fleece and if it gets colder or starts raining, I zip on the outer waterproof component. They are referred to as a 3 in1 jacket. This is an example: www.rei.com/product/223297/the-north-face-thermoball-eco-snow-triclimate-3-in-1-jacket-womensOne of my jackets has a fleece liner jacket inside and the other is more like the linked jacket. North Face jackets have different kinds of zippered liners that are interchangeable. I actually prefer the North Face because it has so many well-placed pockets, a detachable hood for rain, under arm venting zippers for when the jacket feels a bit warm, and it is a lighter weight than the Columbia, but is actually warmer. I found mine at a North Face outlet store for a really discounted price. Check to see if there is an outlet store near you.
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Post by buddysmom on Jun 10, 2024 18:09:58 GMT
Well this is timely! I live in FL and I'm leaving for London tomorrow, cruising, then will be in Scotland for five days.
I'm always freezing so even this time of year I'm taking almost all long sleeve sweaters, heat tech underwear/a puffy jacket and a rain jacket (the kind that you stuff inside it's hood). Everyone says layers is the way to go as the weather changes, also it can be windy.
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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 18:24:52 GMT
Thanks everyone - layers, layers, layers and a rainjacket, hat/scarf/gloves - got it. gillyp we'll be there in early October so before the time change but it's good to know it'll get dark so early. buddysmom - enjoy your trip
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 10, 2024 18:31:27 GMT
I was in Ireland and England in March, which I believe is similar to October though March is a bit chillier and more wintery…I packed and wore a lot of leggings, sneakers and light jacket. Dinners were skirts and jeans and loafers or heels. You might get some very mild weather in October, so don’t only pack warm clothes. ETA: I’ll be back in Ireland (near Tralee) in August if anyone has general Ireland tips!) Typical outfit of black leggings, sneakers, light jacket, cross body bag in Dublin:
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 10, 2024 18:46:19 GMT
I definitely agree with the others about layers. I’ll chime in and say that you will want your rain gear to have a hood and be wind resistant. I like the look of a French rain hat, but when I’m a tourist or aren’t necessarily expecting rain, I prefer to rely on a hood. We had lovely weather when we were in Scotland, but it was often windy.
You may feel the cold and chill more after the heat of a Florida summer, so consider a wool sweater. I LOVE the cashmere cardigans from Lands’ End. Or buy one as a souvenir! They are soft, lightweight, and very warm. I’ll layer them with a top (long or short sleeved depending on the weather) and my jacket. I’ll also wear scarves when I travel. They are lightweight, and surprisingly warm. An added bonus is they add some variety to my solid colored sweaters and tees that go with everything. And add a pair of thin gloves in your pocket—if you need them, so will be so happy to have them!
Also consider wool socks. They will dry quickly if they get wet and keep your feet warm even if they do get wet. I also wear a lot of synthetic fabrics when I travel because they dry quickly. We did 3 weeks in Scotland last September and I never did find an Airbnb with a clothes dryer. We would crank up the heat in a spare room when I did laundry so that things would dry by morning. Also keep in mind that a wash will take 2-3 hours in a European style washing machine.
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Post by anniebeth24 on Jun 10, 2024 18:56:02 GMT
You didn't ask about luggage, but thought I'd offer something.
We just took a 2-week international trip with family and were amazed at how clunky and heavy our not-very-old suitcases were compared to others. Newest ones are extremely light and made a big difference with ease of getting on and off assorted transport.
We'll definitely be replacing ours before we go anywhere again.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 10, 2024 19:05:01 GMT
I bought a 32Degree puffy jacket at Costco years ago for $29. I have taken it to Ireland and, recently, to Iceland and it has served me well. It is pretty waterproof and has a hood. Like others have said, layers work best. Neck scarves, good gloves and a good beanie. And a good umbrella!
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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 21:23:04 GMT
I’ll chime in and say that you will want your rain gear to have a hood and be wind resistant. I like the look of a French rain hat, but when I’m a tourist or aren’t necessarily expecting rain, I prefer to rely on a hood Thank you - I think that's made me decide which rain jacket to consider bringing and which one to leave home (the one with no hood, just a separate hat) Newest ones are extremely light and made a big difference with ease of getting on and off assorted transport. I'm not sure my budget is going to extend to new luggage but I'll have a look and see. This is a low-budget trip for us, made more so by unexpected home repairs this year.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 10, 2024 21:40:37 GMT
I’ll chime in and say that you will want your rain gear to have a hood and be wind resistant. I like the look of a French rain hat, but when I’m a tourist or aren’t necessarily expecting rain, I prefer to rely on a hood Thank you - I think that's made me decide which rain jacket to consider bringing and which one to leave home (the one with no hood, just a separate hat) Newest ones are extremely light and made a big difference with ease of getting on and off assorted transport. I'm not sure my budget is going to extend to new luggage but I'll have a look and see. This is a low-budget trip for us, made more so by unexpected home repairs this year. This was a good tip and it’s worth at least comparing the weight. I don’t know the rest of your trip, but it’s easy enough to handle luggage in an airport and in elevators. But if you are hauling suitcases up the stairs, across cobblestones, and hither and back, it may be worth the expense. I think I paid less than 100€ for my 21” wheelie with spin wheels and is about 4 lbs.
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Post by don on Jun 10, 2024 21:42:41 GMT
You know, they sell clothes wherever you go.
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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 21:48:48 GMT
This was a good tip and it’s worth at least comparing the weight. I don’t know the rest of your trip, but it’s easy enough to handle luggage in an airport and in elevators. But if you are hauling suitcases up the stairs, across cobblestones, and hither and back, it may be worth the expense. I think I paid less than 100€ for my 21” wheelie with spin wheels and is about 4 lbs. I am looking at options -there do seem to be some less expensive options I can consider - I'm used to travelling on trains (Amtrak) but you're right, something lighter would be easier and having a smaller secondary bag that would attach to the handle would be convenient also. We won't have a rental car so will be taking trains (and buses) often and while we'll be based in Oxfordshire for a good part of the trip (and thus not have to take luggage with us on day excursions) we do have the Scotland leg as well as a day or two in London where we will be taking luggage with us on the trains and possibly on foot as well for part of the time. I do have one checked bag available with my ticket but I'm leaning heavily towards carry-on only since we will need to carry the luggage around a bit. (and then if I need to - I can check one coming home and use another (backpack? - I'm thinking a smalll backpack might be useful as a day bag) as carryon if I need souvenir space)
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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 21:50:04 GMT
You know, they sell clothes wherever you go. they do and in a pinch, I can buy some but I'm not travelling solo and I'm not the one planning the trip so I'm at the mercy of the others I'm going with and would rather not inconvenience them by needing to hunt down a clothing store.
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 10, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
I hate being hot so I'm thinking layers vs heavy clothes in general so I can adjust for activity level/indoor/outdoor. I have a couple of rain jackets but not coats - do you think those would work? I'm not overly stressed about rain - it rains alot here also and at least there it'll be cool enough to wear a rain jacket. I'll keep an eye out for a light fleece. We did a similar trip last October. Plan on being wet and cold the whole time. I'm a stingy packer so I brought two cashmere sweaters, long sleeve tees, and jeans/long pants and one sweatshirt. I bought this jacket at the recommendation of Travel Fashion Girl. Eddie Bauer Charly It was good for rain but not warm enough for me. It rains where I am, too, but not a biting cold rain like Scotland. You need something hefty. You also need shoes that keep your feet dry. They don't play in Scotland. It's nasty. Beautiful, but nasty.
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Post by lesley on Jun 10, 2024 22:36:27 GMT
smasonnc , I’m genuinely curious how much time you’ve spent in Scotland. Yes it can be wet, it can be cold, but generally our climate is fairly temperate. In the seven years my Floridian DIL has been visiting Scotland (2-3 times a year), she says that on only one of those trips did the weather make her wish she was back in Florida! 😄 ETA My DIL has made the comparison that for much of the year in Florida you are tied indoors or to your car, stores, etc by A/C, in the same way people in colder climates stay indoors in the winter for heat. I guess it’s just which extreme you’re more comfortable with. 🤷♀️ Thankfully we tend not to have extremes in either direction.
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Post by Linda on Jun 10, 2024 22:57:48 GMT
Also consider wool socks. They will dry quickly if they get wet and keep your feet warm even if they do get wet. You also need shoes that keep your feet dry unfortunately I wear compression socks and specific shoes for my feet (they are a mess - plantar fascitis, neuropathy, bunionettes, fallen arches, and something with my veins that make the compression socks needed...) so wool socks and waterproof shoes may not be possible. But a good reminder to pack extra socks.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 10, 2024 23:06:28 GMT
smasonnc , I’m genuinely curious how much time you’ve spent in Scotland. Yes it can be wet, it can be cold, but generally our climate is fairly temperate. In the seven years my Floridian DIL has been visiting Scotland (2-3 times a year), she says that on only one of those trips did the weather make her wish she was back in Florida! 😄 ETA My DIL has made the comparison that for much of the year in Florida you are tied indoors or to your car, stores, etc by A/C, in the same way people in colder climates stay indoors in the winter for heat. I guess it’s just which extreme you’re more comfortable with. 🤷♀️ Thankfully we tend not to have extremes in either direction. Keep in mind a huge part is just what you're adjusted to. Guessing smasonnc is from NC which is quite warm and humid. It's just a totally different climate. I was going to make that comment to the OP. I have a good friend from Florida and even a moderate day feels frigid as they're used to constantly being hot or hotter. For me, coming from a place with low humidity, I'm often tripped up by temperatures which at home would feel delightful (60 and sunny with low humidity is tshirt weather), but higher humidity, or wind will make that positively frigid. I knew that when I lived in SF! We adjust to what we're used to! My aunt and uncle live in an extremely hot, hot hot place and often talk about not needing their air conditioner - well when I visit I'm sweltering, they're just used to it.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 10, 2024 23:30:07 GMT
I agree that is must be due to what you’re used to. When I was in Ireland and London in March I found the weather absolutely fine and pleasant. Yes it rained off and on - but it was no issue and I didn’t even need special clothes. The sun came out every day and I was fine in “regular” clothes. But I’m coming from SF so I’m used to some fog and drizzle….
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 10, 2024 23:32:40 GMT
You know, they sell clothes wherever you go. For me, when I already own the clothes at home it’s frustrating to spend souvenir money on socks or an expensive sweater that you may not wear again since you normally live in a hot climate. Plus, shopping takes time away from seeing the sights! On the other hand, every time I wear my cashmere scarf that I bought in Edinburgh, I snuggle in and think fondly of that trip. So it can go either way!
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 10, 2024 23:45:44 GMT
This was a good tip and it’s worth at least comparing the weight. I don’t know the rest of your trip, but it’s easy enough to handle luggage in an airport and in elevators. But if you are hauling suitcases up the stairs, across cobblestones, and hither and back, it may be worth the expense. I think I paid less than 100€ for my 21” wheelie with spin wheels and is about 4 lbs. I am looking at options -there do seem to be some less expensive options I can consider - I'm used to travelling on trains (Amtrak) but you're right, something lighter would be easier and having a smaller secondary bag that would attach to the handle would be convenient also. We won't have a rental car so will be taking trains (and buses) often and while we'll be based in Oxfordshire for a good part of the trip (and thus not have to take luggage with us on day excursions) we do have the Scotland leg as well as a day or two in London where we will be taking luggage with us on the trains and possibly on foot as well for part of the time. I do have one checked bag available with my ticket but I'm leaning heavily towards carry-on only since we will need to carry the luggage around a bit. (and then if I need to - I can check one coming home and use another (backpack? - I'm thinking a smalll backpack might be useful as a day bag) as carryon if I need souvenir space. If you can manage it, I HIGHLY recommend traveling with nothing bigger than a 21” wheelie. I brought two pairs of pants, a dress, 3 sweaters, and some tops for our 3 weeks in Scotland. I did laundry several times—maybe every 5-6 days and we only had daytime rain two days, so it worked out really well. When you think about it, you’re wearing your coat most days and can’t see what you’re wearing anyway. With the sweaters, scarves, and a mix of tops, I don’t think it was too obvious that I wore the same thing several times. And it was still warm enough where we weren’t wearing our jackets most days. I have a tote that is lightweight and folds down about the size of a tee. I’ve brought that on a few trips when I plan on bringing back a lot of souvenirs. It’s like this one, but I can’t say if this one is durable. It weighs less than a pound, though! www.amazon.com/Samsonite-Foldaway-Tote-Sling-Black/dp/B07DBMQ7JJ/ref=sr_1_4?crid=MN1B9DH9LCNK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wV8Es-wU1pZfFveqBowkKqS92MocQJ0axyTaZ-zuwnLaYT1EKvNKsnefnGgNS23BqtcSXW7VSeJx32mR4gXdtyTyIoiqAQAPRYEE6DOaSbWf5INUvkGghKtiucUp_L37JjAA1S2BXc5tI_vKTe5x_1bab67BUKc9FSWVCf4srnK3kTKwaBo7jfTB-PLi_vBD5S8fBQdP0I9BZZ7vfq19LdVqjqM5_xntyN_UOTpKz3OVnwCbnDwi2xgB2fNgaX8-JgwomQk9OzP1j_5NclJxwwWBC_pz8Ih1-5M5_67NxuQ.0tBtHwYwEdOf09rAJh9hnRv6uvLo_J4QjmIs-vCw_y0&dib_tag=se&keywords=lightweight+tote+folds+up+baggallini&qid=1718062884&s=apparel&sprefix=lightweight+tote+folds+up+bagalini%2Cfashion-luggage%2C94&sr=1-4I have a 16” wheelie bag that slips over the handle of my 21” wheelie that I use as my carryon. I’m short and use it under the seat to have something to put my feet up on during a flight. It’s not the right choice for everyone, but I love it. There’s a great app that I use called Nannybag. It lists hotels that will hold your luggage for you for a few hours/a day. It’s SO much better than sightseeing with luggage. Plus, some sites won’t even let you bring in luggage.
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Post by Linda on Jun 11, 2024 0:58:48 GMT
basket1lady - thank you for all the tips. The selfcatering place we're staying at for most of the English part of the trip has laundry facilities and honestly I'm ok rewearing trousers and tops - esp. in a place where it's not a sauna (25 years in and I still have not adjusted to Florida's heat/humidity). I'll check out Nannybag - that will be helpful in London, I think, at the end of the trip and possibly in Aberdeen.
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Post by ntsf on Jun 11, 2024 1:48:15 GMT
make those layers thin.. if you think you will be cold, a small down vest is handy.. I highly recommend leaving any cotton clothing at home.. no jeans, no sweatshirts.. if synthetic or wool gets damp.. it will dry. and launders better.
and you can also through in a pair of tights or nylons. if you can wear them --that adds warmth to your legs and fits under pants.
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