dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jun 11, 2024 23:46:40 GMT
I keep hearing media bleating about him being scapegoated to besmirch his father, what about Trump, what if Don, Jr. or Eric did this, this kind of thing never goes to trial, blah, blah, blah. I don't give a $#*t about any of it. He did it. He should be convicted. Same with Trump. Commit a crime, get convicted. The end. The other thing I've heard is that Biden will pardon his son. (Conservative opinions) I don't think so and I absolutely would not support it if he did. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 11, 2024 23:56:34 GMT
I keep hearing media bleating about him being scapegoated to besmirch his father, what about Trump, what if Don, Jr. or Eric did this, this kind of thing never goes to trial, blah, blah, blah. I don't give a $#*t about any of it. He did it. He should be convicted. Same with Trump. Commit a crime, get convicted. The end. The other thing I've heard is that Biden will pardon his son. (Conservative opinions) I don't think so and I absolutely would not support it if he did. He already said last week or the week before that he wouldn’t pardon hunter if he was found guilty. |
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Jun 12, 2024 0:03:52 GMT
I keep hearing media bleating about him being scapegoated to besmirch his father, what about Trump, what if Don, Jr. or Eric did this, this kind of thing never goes to trial, blah, blah, blah. I don't give a $#*t about any of it. He did it. He should be convicted. Same with Trump. Commit a crime, get convicted. The end. The other thing I've heard is that Biden will pardon his son. (Conservative opinions) I don't think so and I absolutely would not support it if he did. Don’t be so naive. If Biden loses the election he will most certainly pardon Hunter, it will cost him nothing politically at that point other than a footnote in the history book. Also, if you’ve been paying attention he’s said he won’t pardon but he never said he wouldn’t commute his sentence. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 12, 2024 0:41:29 GMT
The other thing I've heard is that Biden will pardon his son. (Conservative opinions) I don't think so and I absolutely would not support it if he did. Don’t be so naive. If Biden loses the election he will most certainly pardon Hunter, it will cost him nothing politically at that point other than a footnote in the history book. Also, if you’ve been paying attention he’s said he won’t pardon but he never said he wouldn’t commute his sentence. Just because your guy acts that way doesn’t mean that others will. |
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jun 12, 2024 0:51:05 GMT
The other thing I've heard is that Biden will pardon his son. (Conservative opinions) I don't think so and I absolutely would not support it if he did. Don’t be so naive. If Biden loses the election he will most certainly pardon Hunter, it will cost him nothing politically at that point other than a footnote in the history book. Also, if you’ve been paying attention he’s said he won’t pardon but he never said he wouldn’t commute his sentence. 🤣😂🤣 Go get deprogrammed. |
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Jun 12, 2024 1:05:51 GMT
Don’t be so naive. If Biden loses the election he will most certainly pardon Hunter, it will cost him nothing politically at that point other than a footnote in the history book. Also, if you’ve been paying attention he’s said he won’t pardon but he never said he wouldn’t commute his sentence. I cannot imagine what it’s like to live your life in such a delusional state. How else does it manifest in your daily life? Does it cause problems day to day, that you’re aware of? I’m honestly curious… |
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Post by compeateropeator on Jun 12, 2024 1:57:46 GMT
I am not naive and I also never say never…so I hope you are wrong but only time will tell. But I also agree that not everyone follows Trump standards and I do hope that Biden stays on course for acting honorably and honoring his declaration that he will accept the final outcome and will not pardon him. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 12, 2024 4:06:46 GMT
I am not naive and I also never say never…so I hope you are wrong but only time will tell. But I also agree that not everyone follows Trump standards and I do hope that Biden stays on course for acting honorably and honoring his declaration that he will accept the final outcome and will not pardon him. 🤷🏻♀️ Exactly. I won't completely rule out the possibility that Biden could pardon Hunter or commute his sentence, but it would be out of character for him. Sao far, President Biden hasn't stepped over the line or done anything to save Hunter. I imagine the instinct to protect his son is strong, but Biden hasn't spared Hunter from the media circus, politically motivated questioning from Comer, the embarrassment of MTG showing naked pictures, investigation by the Justice Department or the trial. Biden hasn't given any reason to think that he would pardon Hunter. And he's said multiple times that he has no intention of pardoning him. Interesting that conservatives are losing their minds about the possibility of Biden giving Hunter a pardon but didn't blink at the idea of Trump having total immunity, pardoning himself, Trump giving pardons to J6 insurrectionists or Trump's actual flagrant abuse of pardons by giving them to his henchmen. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 12, 2024 4:17:39 GMT
weaponization vs justiceCSPAN @cspan
@repmcgovern
"Republicans have weaponized committee after committee...Apparently when a Republican is convicted it's weaponization. But when a Democrat is convicted, the President's son no less, that's justice? I mean, give me a break."
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 12, 2024 4:23:38 GMT
In principle, this seems reasonable to me (setting aside the fact that very few cases are tried for lying on a gun application) no one is above the lawCSPAN @cspan
Special Counsel David Weiss on Hunter Biden Guilty Verdict: "No one in this country is above the law. Everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this defendant. However, Hunter Biden should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct." |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 12, 2024 17:29:39 GMT
In principle, this seems reasonable to me (setting aside the fact that very few cases are tried for lying on a gun application) no one is above the lawCSPAN @cspan
Special Counsel David Weiss on Hunter Biden Guilty Verdict: "No one in this country is above the law. Everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this defendant. However, Hunter Biden should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct."But remember, it wasn’t Weiss’s idea to actually go to court on this case. He and Hunter had worked out a plea deal that was acceptable to both of them. The judge said no, we’re going to trial. Also, for those with short memories … Weiss was appointed Special Counsel by Bill Barr. Before that, he was a Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney. |
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Jun 12, 2024 19:59:58 GMT
In principle, this seems reasonable to me (setting aside the fact that very few cases are tried for lying on a gun application) no one is above the lawCSPAN @cspan
Special Counsel David Weiss on Hunter Biden Guilty Verdict: "No one in this country is above the law. Everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this defendant. However, Hunter Biden should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct."But remember, it wasn’t Weiss’s idea to actually go to court on this case. He and Hunter had worked out a plea deal that was acceptable to both of them. The judge said no, we’re going to trial. Also, for those with short memories … Weiss was appointed Special Counsel by Bill Barr. Before that, he was a Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney. Sorry but you have your ‘facts’ wrong. The judge didn’t approve the original plea deal and told them to rework it. Several attempts to do so failed and Hunter was the one who said he wanted to go to trail. Weiss was appointed Special Counsel by Garland. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 12, 2024 20:10:15 GMT
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naby64
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Post by naby64 on Jun 12, 2024 20:12:59 GMT
But remember, it wasn’t Weiss’s idea to actually go to court on this case. He and Hunter had worked out a plea deal that was acceptable to both of them. The judge said no, we’re going to trial. Also, for those with short memories … Weiss was appointed Special Counsel by Bill Barr. Before that, he was a Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney. Sorry but you have your ‘facts’ wrong. The judge didn’t approve the original plea deal and told them to rework it. Several attempts to do so failed and Hunter was the one who said he wanted to go to trail. Weiss was appointed Special Counsel by Garland. David Charles Weiss (born 1956) is an American attorney. He was nominated by President Donald Trump to be United States Attorney for the United States District Court for the District of Delaware, and was retained by President Joe Biden. He has served in that office since February 22, 2018. Weiss has been in charge of the investigations into the financial dealings of Hunter Biden and was asked to stay on during the Biden administration. On August 11, 2023, Weiss was named special counsel in the Hunter Biden probe by Attorney General Merrick Garland. On February 14, 2024, he indicted a former FBI informant with lying about President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden’s involvement in business dealings with Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings undercutting a major aspect of Republicans’ impeachment inquiry into the president. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 13, 2024 23:18:40 GMT
grace and dignityBrett Meiselas @bmeiselas
As the day goes on, I continue to be so amazed by the way in which the entire Biden family handled this incredibly difficult situation with such grace and dignity. You can certainly feel the family’s love in every photograph and video.
Aaron Rupar @atrupar
Jun 11
You can feel the emotion in this photo, taken this afternoon. On a human level, the conviction of his only surviving son has to be gutting for Joe Biden. (Andrew Caballero/AFP via Getty)
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 16, 2024 20:32:23 GMT
Joe Biden's characterInside with Jen Psaki @insidewithpsaki
"Joe Biden's character is what drove him to make clear that the law applies to everyone. The justice system that convicted his only surviving son is the same justice system he has vowed to protect. If that doesn't tell you who Joe Biden is, I don't know what does."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 17, 2024 0:08:24 GMT
And the trumpers are calling him out for not pardoning his son saying he really doesn't care about him.
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 17, 2024 4:26:22 GMT
wapo.st/3KHadhIOpinion The Hunter Biden and Trump trials were a litmus test. Only the Bidens passed. The president’s family rallied in support of one of their own. Trump family members were conspicuously absent. On every score, the Biden family throughout the public ordeal exemplified dignity, decency and the sort of unconditional love ..
First lady Jill Biden regularly attended her son’s trial; President Biden never impugned the judicial system. Biden promised not to pardon his son or commute his sentence, and embraced him after the trial. In a written statement, the president said: “Jill and I love our son, and we are so proud of the man he is today. So many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery.” He added, “I will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as Hunter considers an appeal.”
During and after Trump’s trial, he and his MAGA minions attacked the judicial system, smeared the judge and jury, and then refused to accept the legitimacy of the verdict. Trump’s bizarre call to House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) demanding that “we have to overturn this” epitomized not just his constitutional ignorance but the MAGA movement’s determination to burn down a judicial system that could not be corrupted to do his bidding.
This gaping moral divide has been nowhere more evident than in the candidates’ (and their followers’) conduct and rhetoric during these two trials. Now the question has been sharpened: Which candidate should we emulate — and what sort of country do we want to live in?
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