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Post by librarylady on Jun 16, 2024 16:09:58 GMT
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Post by gar on Jun 16, 2024 16:57:56 GMT
And he is a kind and decent human without the need for faith to guide him.
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 16, 2024 17:27:49 GMT
I'm not an atheist and I believe all those things. We can worship as a community without a big fancy church. In fact, my current church is getting ready to sell the property to a local affordable housing developer who will put up a building that's 100% affordable (based on a certain percent of income) for seniors, and we will use a room on the ground floor for worship. My previous church did exactly the same thing, except that their building is not designated specifically for senior citizens. About "doing" vs. just "praying" -- "If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead." James 2: 15-17. Most churches around here believe this. I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone in my church circles talk about "escaping to death". Involvement in life is what we try for, with our involvement in our local community. I think all progressive churches want disease conquered, poverty banished, and wars eliminated. There are many many churches who believe like I just described. We are not all like the conservative white evangelical (which has another broader meaning, but the conservatives have co-opted the word) ones. And of course a person doesn't have to profess to any faith in order to do all those things. Someone can be a moral and ethical person with no professed faith, just as church members can be evil while their mouths are praying to God. Just thought I'd mention all that because I see this often on this board... the broad generalizations about "Christians", as if we are all the same. It doesn't really bother me anymore -- I mean, I'm basically flame-proof after working in churches all these years -- but it makes me sad that the cherry-picking conservatives are portrayed as if they represent all of us.
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Post by Zee on Jun 16, 2024 18:18:29 GMT
And she (Madalyn Murray O'Hair) was hardly a shining example of humanity, lol. A total bitch, according to everything I've seen/read about her, but definitely a squeaky wheel. She met a bad end, too.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jun 16, 2024 18:38:16 GMT
I believe those things too and I am not an atheist.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 16, 2024 18:45:51 GMT
Being a good honorable person has no boundaries. No church needed.
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