River
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Location: Alabama
Jun 26, 2014 15:26:04 GMT
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Post by River on Jun 25, 2024 16:53:11 GMT
With the closing arguments completed, what are your thoughts now? Any guesses on how long the jurors will take?
I've been able to listen to the trial while at work and have picked through and watched the evidence parts of it. I'm pretty firmly in the NOT GUILTY frame of mind. The evidence just is not there to me. He clearly had no marks on his body to make you think he was hit by a car. In my opinion, his arm injuries are from the dog. I've been attacked by a pit bull on my arm and have scars from it that look very similar to those on his arm.
I am still trying to figure out how this even went to trial.
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Post by lurker on Jun 25, 2024 17:16:04 GMT
I think there is reasonable doubt. Prosecution should have left the charge at manslaughter.
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uksue
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Jun 25, 2014 22:33:20 GMT
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Post by uksue on Jun 25, 2024 17:32:41 GMT
I think there is loads of reasonable doubt. I hated the see McCabe etc al sitting facing the jury. Another juror was dismissed today and apparently she was a juror who has been pulling faces and been very animated all the way through.
I don't think this family will ever know what happened to John.
I wonder if Proctor will still be employed in 6 months and what will happen once the FBI finishes their investigation? I think that's something to do with Higgins.
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Post by Laurie on Jun 25, 2024 17:50:19 GMT
Dismissing that juror seems a little sus to me. From what I have read she was the one that made disgusted faces during Proctor's testimony and also appeared to be the one most tuned in.
I have not watched the trial but the clips I have watched and from what I have read this judge comes off as extremely unprofessional.
I don't have a strong feeling either way but there seems to be plenty of reasonable doubt. However, I can see why people believe there to be some corruption in this town so who knows what will happen with the jury pool.
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Post by agengr2004 on Jun 25, 2024 17:56:38 GMT
I don't see how this ever went to trial. I'm super curious as to what the FBI case shows.
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Post by littlemama on Jun 25, 2024 18:27:40 GMT
From what I have read (which isnt a ton), this is a massive frame job and should never have made it to trial
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Post by hop2 on Jun 25, 2024 20:03:53 GMT
At this point, from what was presented, I have tons of reasonable doubt.
I am pretty convinced he entered the house. The vomit evidence on his person & some but not all of his clothing with the absence of any vomit on the scene in the yard, says he did not die on the yard from getting hit by the car. In conjunction with the step counter climbing stairs. I am convinced he did not die on the lawn. If he was hit by the car & then vomited from his injuries or alcohol where is the rest of the vomit? That just does not add up. If he died in the yard he went somewhere else to vomit before dying between when he was dropped off and when he died - so then where?
As far as the detective, he is the only person to access the deceased’s ring footage after death and yet there is footage erased. Supposedly not missing, but erased. That should be grounds for dismissal in my unprofessional opinion.
Also in my opinion, I don’t know how anyone especially, women can feel safe or protected by that agency after the text messages came out publicly that was pretty gross & inappropriate and should have been dealt with immediately
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Nov 26, 2024 12:34:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 21:54:27 GMT
What a mess is all I can say. I think there is enough reasonable doubt that they will not return a guilty verdict. I have always wondered could he have been so drunk that he fell and died due to the weather conditions and drinking. Maybe the dog answers the wounds on the arm but I still wonder about the eye. My nephew's best friend died last year--he was out drunk, was alone, fell in the snow, and died out in the elements. That's why my thought process goes there too. So sad!
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kokomo37
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Apr 17, 2022 21:03:36 GMT
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Post by kokomo37 on Jun 25, 2024 22:43:30 GMT
Absolutely not guilty. The last 3 witnesses erased all suspicion that John was hit by a car or snowplow. The amount of corruption going on in Canton is very concerning. Unfortunately, the O’Keffes will be left with so many unanswered questions. We will never find out the truth on how John died. So glad the FBI and the states attorney are now investigated the Canton police force. Heads will start rolling soon.
True crime court cases have become a new hobby for me. Looking forward to Alex Baldwin trial up next.
For others who are interested in cases like this , Emily D Baker and the Lawyer you know give great commentary and insight in the daily proceedings in court
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Post by Laurie on Jun 26, 2024 17:57:36 GMT
I have been reading the buffoonery is on display again today. If I lived in that town I would have 0 confidence in the police department and the legal system.
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Post by lurker on Jun 26, 2024 18:17:12 GMT
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Post by h2ohdog on Jun 26, 2024 18:45:02 GMT
Absolutely not guilty. The last 3 witnesses erased all suspicion that John was hit by a car or snowplow. The amount of corruption going on in Canton is very concerning. Unfortunately, the O’Keffes will be left with so many unanswered questions. We will never find out the truth on how John died. So glad the FBI and the states attorney are now investigated the Canton police force. Heads will start rolling soon. True crime court cases have become a new hobby for me. Looking forward to Alex Baldwin trial up next. For others who are interested in cases like this , Emily D Baker and the Lawyer you know give great commentary and insight in the daily proceedings in court Same x 3(ng , new hobby, and EDB and LYK). May I suggest Runkle of the Bailey, who does recaps? He’s a Canadian lawyer who has interesting takes on cases.
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kokomo37
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Apr 17, 2022 21:03:36 GMT
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Post by kokomo37 on Jun 26, 2024 20:31:00 GMT
Absolutely not guilty. The last 3 witnesses erased all suspicion that John was hit by a car or snowplow. The amount of corruption going on in Canton is very concerning. Unfortunately, the O’Keffes will be left with so many unanswered questions. We will never find out the truth on how John died. So glad the FBI and the states attorney are now investigated the Canton police force. Heads will start rolling soon. True crime court cases have become a new hobby for me. Looking forward to Alex Baldwin trial up next. For others who are interested in cases like this , Emily D Baker and the Lawyer you know give great commentary and insight in the daily proceedings in court Same x 3(ng , new hobby, and EDB and LYK). May I suggest Runkle of the Bailey, who does recaps? He’s a Canadian lawyer who has interesting takes on cases. Yes! I have listen to Ian too. I am also Canadian but in Ontario . I think Runkle is in Alberta
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Post by h2ohdog on Jun 27, 2024 0:54:30 GMT
kokomo37 , yes, I just discovered him at the beginning of this trial and really like his viewpoint.
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Post by lurker on Jul 2, 2024 18:11:32 GMT
What do you think about the outcome? The prosecution says they will re-try. Same charges or reduce to manslaughter? I saw Proctor had been relieved from duty in the prosecutor's office. Will that affect his testimony in the new trial?
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Post by lurker on Jul 2, 2024 18:13:01 GMT
WHY is this marked POLITICS??? Will have to figure out how to remove the label!
Well, that was surprisingly easy to remove the label. Have to get back to work so won't be around to remove that label if someone re-applies it.
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River
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Posts: 3,590
Location: Alabama
Jun 26, 2014 15:26:04 GMT
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Post by River on Jul 2, 2024 18:35:42 GMT
I'm really surprised about the hung jury. I want to know what the split was.
I'm glad to see Proctor was relieved from duty but I'm sure he'll be hired somewhere else.
Although the prosecution says they will retry, I'll be surprised if they actually do.
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Post by jamieson on Jul 30, 2024 4:03:12 GMT
Dismissing that juror seems a little sus to me. From what I have read she was the one that made disgusted faces during Proctor's testimony and also appeared to be the one most tuned in. I have not watched the trial but the clips I have watched and from what I have read this judge comes off as extremely unprofessional. I don't have a strong feeling either way but there seems to be plenty of reasonable doubt. However, I can see why people believe there to be some corruption in this town so who knows what will happen with the jury pool. The judge should've recused herself on conflict of interest, in two instances.
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Post by jamieson on Jul 30, 2024 4:11:42 GMT
The judge should've recused herself for many reasons. Karen gets to express her utter shock at what Auntie Bev has allowed.
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