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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 2, 2024 13:50:05 GMT
My son is transferring schools and as of now, he is trying to decide between LSU and Wake Forest. He is an athlete so the sports specific information is a big part of his decision, but I am also looking at the non-sports aspects. These two schools seem to have a very different atmosphere from each other and I think the Wake Forest degree probably is a lot more desired, but in reality, how much difference does it make where a degree comes from? Especially if you are not from that area of the country and might not want to stay there after graduation?
Also, does anyone have experiences with either of these schools? I was just reading some negative posts from parents of WF students regarding the lack of diversity on campus (both SES and race) and the atmosphere that creates. It's hard to know what to think based on just a few posts, though. He is transferring from Butler University in Indianapolis which is probably more similar to WF. I'm also a little worried about him being in the south (he is biracial).
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Post by needmysanity on Jul 2, 2024 13:58:41 GMT
This is my personal opinion, so take it as you will: unless someone is aiming for fields like med school or law school, I don't believe the college attended makes a significant difference. I earned my degree from a mid-major California State college, while my husband graduated from the University of Michigan. Despite attending very different colleges, neither of our careers has outpaced the other.
I believe the proliferation of online colleges has diminished the value of a traditional education.
In the end, opinions on the value of college education can vary widely based on personal experiences, career paths, and societal perspectives. Each person's journey is unique, and what matters most is often how individuals leverage their education, skills, and opportunities to achieve their goals.
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Post by Merge on Jul 2, 2024 14:09:41 GMT
Undergrad doesn’t matter as much as where you get your terminal degree.
Three years into your career, no one cares where you went to college.
Look hardest at placement rates for people in his planned field. What services does the school offer for job placement? Where do students tend to get placed?
(As an aside, Louisiana has a lot of issues, but I think your biracial son would be perfectly fine and fit right in at LSU.)
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jul 2, 2024 14:20:26 GMT
What is he majoring in? That plays a very important part in the equation. If he is in engineering, then LSU would be my choice. For general studies and fields like business or liberal arts I don't think the school makes much difference. Those schools have very different atmospheres. LSU has the SEC advantage with sports (IMO), it's a very large school in a city, tends to have a party vibe, and the Louisiana culture/life is going to be very different from what he has grown up with. It's also very close to New Orleans. Then there is the weather! But it is an excellent school (we have many, many friends who went there as DH is an engineer). Wake Forest is also excellent, but is a smaller school in a smaller town with a very different climate. Is there anyway he can do a campus visit to both schools? That would be the best way to get a feel for where he fits in better. I'm also a little worried about him being in the south (he is biracial). You'd be surprised at the number of biracial families/children there are in the South. I don't think LSU would be an issue with this. They also have a very large international student population. He would not stand out like a sore thumb there.
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Post by peabay on Jul 2, 2024 14:26:13 GMT
Is it a field that depends a lot on networking? Some of the better known "brand" schools do a great job networking with alumni. That's certainly a plus toward the more elite schools.
That being said, big state schools have huge alumni networks and can be really helpful. My dd#2 went to Penn State, not an "elite" school but a solid school with an enormous alumni network. She went to a women in engineering job fair and one of the recruiters was an alum and interviewed her on the spot.
All in all, the school has to fit your child. It doesn't matter where they go if they are miserable.
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Post by librarylady on Jul 2, 2024 14:53:17 GMT
My opinion: As others have stated, it makes a big difference in certain fields/areas of study. Those things open the doors for you. Example: My oldest step son majored in geology in Texas, but not at the "highly thought of university" for geology in Texas. He had excellent grades but could not even get interviews because those jobs went to the men/women who had degrees from the "right" university. 30 years later and he has never been able to get a job in that field. I do think if he had been in another field (math, English, etc.) it would not have mattered so much as to the choice of university.
ETA: My sister went to a smaller less known university. When she applied for her first job, the man interviewing told her, "I always like to hire girls who went to ___ because I know they have a good education and know what they are doing."
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Post by annie on Jul 2, 2024 15:13:41 GMT
I don't know if you have visited either yet, but I can give my limited perspective on Wake Forest. We did a tour there a few years back (when my daughter was school shopping) and left with a feeling of pure ick. The impression we got (and this is just personal feeling, I acknowledge) was the school was snooty, monied, and NOT DIVERSE AT ALL. It felt like a school for rich white people. We couldn't wait to get out of there. So your comment on the lack of diversity at WF seems absolutely true from my tiny experience.
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Post by pilcas on Jul 2, 2024 15:15:48 GMT
I do think it depends on the field and maybe the culture of the city where you want to practice. I live in a big city and the concept of legacy is not significant. In the school I taught there were teachers who went to private university and those who went to city or state schools. Their salary was the same but some had a lot of student debt, and others did not.
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Post by worrywart on Jul 2, 2024 15:16:13 GMT
Does he prefer a larger or smaller school? LSU is large and would have more opportunities to find his niche. Personally, I would choose the school with more diversity and a larger student body.
It may matter some when finding your first job but after you have some experience, I don't think your college matters as much.
Also - has he visited or toured both? One of them may strike him as the right fit.
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Post by artbabe on Jul 2, 2024 15:21:25 GMT
Unless you are going Ivy League, or some other really big name school, I don't think it matters. And I think that mainly gives you bragging rights.
I don't think anyone has looked at where I graduated from beyond my first job.
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 2, 2024 15:49:33 GMT
What matters most is his intended major and potential for grad school. His personality also comes into play. A big school might be overwhelming or a small school could be stifling and how good is he at handling distractions?
My daughter-in-law went to Wake and it was fine. Where she got her PhD. is way more important. We made the mistake of sending DD to a "name" school and it didn't help at all when applying for medical school. Now we're paying for med school and thinking she should have gone to a state school undergrad.
Wake is a very small campus and the Winston-Salem isn't that exciting. Baton Rouge is the extreme opposite. It is a huge college town with a wild reputation. Wake Forest has a good reputation academically but the college experience is underwhelming. LSU isn't as good academically but has a huge alumni network. Frankly, if you're worried about racism, he's not much better off in North Carolina. We lived there for 30 years. It might be more genteel, but it's still the South.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 2, 2024 15:53:05 GMT
We did go on visits to both schools. His major is business but he is also interested in sports management.
I am not necessarily concerned with him fitting in or being the only biracial/black student at either school, but more concerned with the general racism in the south that might be different than here.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 2, 2024 15:56:56 GMT
I don't know if you have visited either yet, but I can give my limited perspective on Wake Forest. We did a tour there a few years back (when my daughter was school shopping) and left with a feeling of pure ick. The impression we got (and this is just personal feeling, I acknowledge) was the school was snooty, monied, and NOT DIVERSE AT ALL. It felt like a school for rich white people. We couldn't wait to get out of there. So your comment on the lack of diversity at WF seems absolutely true from my tiny experience. We did go on a visit last week but there wasn't much happening on campus so didn't get a feel for the students or anything like that. We obviously spent more of the time on the sport aspect of things and were with coaches the whole time.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 2, 2024 15:59:18 GMT
Ivy league might open a door or two, but they sure do produce a bunch of morons sitting in Congress..
Go to a school with good honorable people, some of whom will become your best friends for life. Stay away from dog eat dog atmospheres.
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Post by littlemama on Jul 2, 2024 15:59:29 GMT
The only people who care that someone went to "big university" are other people who went there. There are a few professions where it could matter, but overall, there is no benefit to going to "big university"
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Post by nightnurse on Jul 2, 2024 16:08:38 GMT
Fresh out of high school, I went to college and flunked out my first year. I then slowly went back, got my associates, then bachelors then masters. I sit in a room with 7 other people who all do the same job I do, and are all equally respected. Even though I’m the only one who ever flunked out of a school. I can’t tell you where we all graduated from. We briefly discuss it when our kids are trying to pick their schools but we are all in agreement that finding the school that makes you feel welcome and inspired and supports your learning is the most important. I do agree that there are opportunities for networking in college but that isn’t limited to Ivy League or big name schools. He should pick the one he feels the best connection to.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 2, 2024 16:14:11 GMT
Why is he transferring?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 2, 2024 17:03:40 GMT
Because he had a good year in his sport and will have more opportunities for development and money at a bigger school.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jul 2, 2024 17:04:27 GMT
I was just going to ask, bc maybe that will give insight as to what he may be looking for. My son is heading to Auburn in the fall, another SEC school. They eat breathe and sleep SEC, War Damn Eagle, etc. They gave good merit, it does seem the further south you go, the more merit they throw at you. Not sure about sports tho. And they had a very good engineering program, which is what he wants to study. The Auburn network could open a lot of doors, plus we looked at what the career center/job fairs look like too. I will say, when we went to orientation, the student body was not really there, but what I saw barely seemed diverse at all, especially compared to my daughter's school (Univ.of MD which is much closer to diverse DC/Baltimore). I have a good friend who went to Wake Forrest undergrad. I remember it being small and not very diverse when I went to visit her, but I have no idea what it's like today.
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Post by PaperAngel on Jul 2, 2024 17:07:35 GMT
... Frankly, if you're worried about racism, he's not much better off in North Carolina. We lived there for 30 years. It might be more genteel, but it's still the South. Where in NC did you live?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 2, 2024 17:07:54 GMT
I was just going to ask, bc maybe that will give insight as to what he may be looking for. My son is heading to Auburn in the fall, another SEC school. They eat breathe and sleep SEC, War Damn Eagle, etc. They gave good merit, it does seem the further south you go, the more merit they throw at you. Not sure about sports tho. And they had a very good engineering program, which is what he wants to study. The Auburn network could open a lot of doors, plus we looked at what the career center/job fairs look like too. I will say, when we went to orientation, the student body was not really there, but what I saw barely seemed diverse at all, especially compared to my daughter's school (Univ.of MD which is much closer to diverse DC/Baltimore). I have a good friend who went to Wake Forrest undergrad. I remember it being small and not very diverse when I went to visit her, but I have no idea what it's like today. We actually also visited Maryland this week. Wake forest and LSU have about the same percentages of people who are white but obviously LSU has a lot more students in general. He is used to being at a mostly white school so I don’t think that bothers him. I was mostly curious if the stereotypes of the south are accurate—for either state.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jul 2, 2024 17:15:41 GMT
I have degrees from a couple universities. And quite frankly, the one from Purdue doesn’t matter in my career anymore than the one from Fayetteville State in North Carolina. I agree with other peers, unless Hill is going into law, or even planning to go onto medical school, or into some other very very very competitive grad program, it does not matter one iota.
As far as being biracial, I’ve never lived in Louisiana, but have visited. I won’t comment on that because I don’t know.
I will comment on Winston Salem though. I lived in the Chapel Hill, Durham area for nearly 10 years. I also lived in the Fayetteville area for three. Winston Salem, is about a 35 minute drive from where I lived for those 10 years. I currently live in Massachusetts, but I’ve also lived in Colorado, Florida, Oklahoma, and Indiana. My children are both white, but my nephew is biracial. His father was black. My nephew spent several summers at various homes where I lived. He also visited for some holidays. Racism is very real, everywhere. I would say, though that his experience is likely to be the same just about everywhere he goes. Racism isn’t part of my every day life, so I can say only that I was never more acutely aware of it than when I had my nephew with me and observed the difference in how I was treated, or he was treated. At times it could be subtle, at other times it was blatant. Absolutely disgusting either way. But I have to say the worst that I saw was actually in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
I wish your son the best with whatever he chooses, I do think he could be very happy in Winston-Salem if the general area and school is a fit for him. University towns tend to be more progressive and diverse as a general rule than the surrounding area and even as such, Winston Salem is an average city for better or for worse.
All that said, I found Winston-Salem to be very boring. Not many reasons to go there, most of the time, I would go to Raleigh for any arts, museums, fun or shopping. If your son is still open to school suggestions, I can’t recommend NC State enough. It’s where I’d hoped my son would go lol
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Post by pilcas on Jul 2, 2024 17:24:45 GMT
Ivy league might open a door or two, but they sure do produce a bunch of morons sitting in Congress.. Go to a school with good honorable people, some of whom will become your best friends for life. Stay away from dog eat dog atmospheres. I do think they might have been morons previous to going to an Ivy League!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 2, 2024 17:28:42 GMT
There are some careers where it matters, finance and management consulting are the main ones. Otherwise, fit means way more than name. A robust, engaged alumni network can also really matter - and that is not dependent on school size or private vs public. As you're out of state, I would consider travel logistics as well. I underestimated those when my kids were choosing. Small regional airports can be such a pain. Good luck!
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 2, 2024 17:43:17 GMT
Wake forest and LSU have about the same percentages of people who are white but obviously LSU has a lot more students in general. He is used to being at a mostly white school so I don’t think that bothers him. I was mostly curious if the stereotypes of the south are accurate—for either state. The South is absolutely the only place I've ever lived where people felt free to use the N word anytime/place. I grew up in Alabama, lived in Baton Rouge for 6 months, and lived in Tennessee for about 6 months. I used to tell DH (when we were dating) that I loved living in the South because everyone was so friendly. When I brought my Midwest grown guy along with me to live in Tennessee, that was absolutely not his experience as blonde hair/blue eyed male. He calls it "nice if you sound and look like them" nice. My Daddy looks Hispanic, even though he's Japanese, but when he's in the South, he absolutely gets the Southern twang that lets other people know he's "from around there". It doesn't mean they're less racist, it just means they're more likely to be nice to your face. Now, I've lived in Vegas (for over a decade), and we now live in the KC area(~12 years now). I've been back down to Alabama on multiple occasions, and I prefer the Midwest. It's certainly not around the same high school / college age as when I was in LA/TN, so that could be a difference. I've definitely gotten more Liberal over the years, but you would have to pay me millions of dollars to consider living down there again. I am a bi, white-passing POC, with 3 kids, who doesn't attend church, I absolutely know it would not be 100% safe. Especially depending on how things go in November. If it was my child, I'd be pushing for Maryland.
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 2, 2024 17:43:34 GMT
Where in NC did you live? Charlotte. We were about 1.5 hours from Winston-Salem and went there often for soccer & baseball. I used to tell DH (when we were dating) that I loved living in the South because everyone was so friendly. When I brought my Midwest grown guy along with me to live in Tennessee, that was absolutely not his experience as blonde hair/blue eyed male. He calls it "nice if you sound and look like them" nice. Bless his heart. My favorite was, "What church, j'all join?" Then if you say, "Catholic" they say, "Oh, that's alright."
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Post by malibou on Jul 2, 2024 17:50:07 GMT
I pretty much feel like I just got bragging rights for going to UC Berkeley and getting a heavy science degree.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 2, 2024 17:55:04 GMT
In my experience, no. I am sure it can make a difference in some fields though.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 2, 2024 18:00:58 GMT
Wake forest and LSU have about the same percentages of people who are white but obviously LSU has a lot more students in general. He is used to being at a mostly white school so I don’t think that bothers him. I was mostly curious if the stereotypes of the south are accurate—for either state. The South is absolutely the only place I've ever lived where people felt free to use the N word anytime/place. I grew up in Alabama, lived in Baton Rouge for 6 months, and lived in Tennessee for about 6 months. I used to tell DH (when we were dating) that I loved living in the South because everyone was so friendly. When I brought my Midwest grown guy along with me to live in Tennessee, that was absolutely not his experience as blonde hair/blue eyed male. He calls it "nice if you sound and look like them" nice. My Daddy looks Hispanic, even though he's Japanese, but when he's in the South, he absolutely gets the Southern twang that lets other people know he's "from around there". It doesn't mean they're less racist, it just means they're more likely to be nice to your face. Now, I've lived in Vegas (for over a decade), and we now live in the KC area(~12 years now). I've been back down to Alabama on multiple occasions, and I prefer the Midwest. It's certainly not around the same high school / college age as when I was in LA/TN, so that could be a difference. I've definitely gotten more Liberal over the years, but you would have to pay me millions of dollars to consider living down there again. I am a bi, white-passing POC, with 3 kids, who doesn't attend church, I absolutely know it would not be 100% safe. Especially depending on how things go in November. If it was my child, I'd be pushing for Maryland. Unfortunately, none of us were that thrilled with Maryland. He has a lot of other offers but I don’t know if he wants to do anymore visits, and prefers to be in the acc or sec so all of those would be south anyway.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 2, 2024 18:04:45 GMT
I was at LSU 1966-1970. I loved every minute of it. But it has changed a lot ~ mostly for the better academically. The entry requirements are much stricter now, I wouldn't even get in now as I never took physics. The athletic programs are wonderful and Tiger fans are known for being among the best in college football. As others have said, the student body is very diverse and large. I'm curious as to what sport he plays, if you feel like sharing.
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