Peamac
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Post by Peamac on Jul 6, 2024 11:35:18 GMT
I've heard comments from people moving from California to Colorado and their main reasons are taxes and cost of living.
It's expensive here in CO, but not nearly as bad as CA.
Fewer people and less traffic in CO are also reasons for moving. They also don't like how liberal CA has become (CO is becoming more liberal in recent years, though).
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Post by malibou on Jul 6, 2024 12:13:46 GMT
I've lived in CA since I was 22. Mostly in SoCal. Every time I hear someone whinging about living here and wanting to move, I encourage them, because it is nearly always about some stupid thing that they haven't bothered to really check into. Bye, and please let the door hit you hard on your way out.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 6, 2024 18:04:43 GMT
Mountain lions running through the hood because they have no place to live anymore. You forgot the bears, coyotes, and rattle snakes showing up in people's surburban backyards  We have bobcats, rattlesnakes, coyotes and I know there are mountain lions close but I don’t think they are in our canyon yet. I have seen the others. We hear a couple packs of coyotes most nights. There are also scorpions, tarantulas, roadrunners ( saw a pair on our wall the other day), cranes, blue heron (they are beautiful but not a fan when they eat our fish from our pond we had a young one trying to get at them through the net a week or so ago), tons of lizards crazy amount in our yard. Oh and raccoons and skunks. Haven’t seen but smelled them. We had the cutest baby opossum a few years ago that hung around our pond for a bit. Even when we lived in a more urban area of San Diego (La Mesa) 30-50 years ago we had rattlesnakes, skunks snd opossums. I don’t remember coyotes but was talking to a friend that didn’t live to far from that house in an urban area she saw a coyote while walking her dog a few months ago. I’m really glad there aren’t bears here or in San Diego. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 6, 2024 18:19:15 GMT
Reading the comments I’m not seeing any real freedoms we are missing. Occasionally there are items on Amazon or at Home Depot that can’t be shipped here but we can usually find an alternative.
There are Trumpers here there is a guy that sells flags with them that sets up after work in different places. He is popular.
There are definitely some political things I don’t agree with but overall I guess I have shifted my thinking but then again the republicans left me way behind years ago. I am more liberal now I could understand people leaving for political reasons. I have to say though that most of the reasons they don’t like I like. I don’t mind the safety issues put in place.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 6, 2024 19:33:15 GMT
In my city we have mountain lions, bobcats, all kinds of snakes including rattle, and in the hills and mountains 15 min away are bears.
We had a mountain lion hanging out 2 minutes from our home. So any time we were out we had to look up into the trees to make sure it wasn't in our neighborhood. It and another are now hanging out in the south area and the large park. Behind that is the canyon where we have wild donkeys.
And then deer and coyotes of course.
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Post by needmysanity on Jul 6, 2024 20:00:08 GMT
We moved from California three years ago and I asked my husband this morning about this post and the question because I was really trying to come up with a list of "freedoms".
For us we moved for a better quality of life. We lived in Central CA where wages were low and housing was high. Not as high as LA, SF but high for the wages we could make in Central CA. Our home utilities, pet care, car insurance and gas is all cheaper here. We moved for a better air quality. Spending summers dealing with horrible air conditions, fires, lack of water - - our health is so much better since leaving. California does have a ton of restrictions and yes some are good (prop 65 I guess would be considered a good one) but there are others like banning gas powered cars when there is zero infrastructure for so many EV cars to go onto the electric grid is dumb. The high speed rail way...down right stupid. We live in Knoxville surrounded by beautiful mountains and lakes where we have access to some of the best outdoor spaces. We lived at the base of Yosemite (in CA) which will always be a special place to me but having so many lakes, no droughts is a big deal to me.
A few things we didn't realize until we left CA. Healthcare is so much better outside of California. Both my husband and I have had serious health care situations (I had breast cancer and DH had a heart valve replaced). The care we received in TN was amazing. My mom who lived in Palm Springs thought I was full of crap when I would tell her things. She would go on and on about how great CA health care is and then she retired and moved to Missouri (couldn't afford to retire in CA). She had breast cancer a few months after I had mine and was blown away by her care.
There are things we miss about California as well. I miss the food - it's the best freshest food. I miss close access to good wine. TN has no idea what good wine is.
No state is perfect but for us the pros of living in California were out weighted by the cons.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 6, 2024 20:11:00 GMT
We moved from California three years ago and I asked my husband this morning about this post and the question because I was really trying to come up with a list of "freedoms". For us we moved for a better quality of life. We lived in Central CA where wages were low and housing was high. Not as high as LA, SF but high for the wages we could make in Central CA. Our home utilities, pet care, car insurance and gas is all cheaper here. We moved for a better air quality. Spending summers dealing with horrible air conditions, fires, lack of water - - our health is so much better since leaving. California does have a ton of restrictions and yes some are good (prop 65 I guess would be considered a good one) but there are others like banning gas powered cars when there is zero infrastructure for so many EV cars to go onto the electric grid is dumb. The high speed rail way...down right stupid. We live in Knoxville surrounded by beautiful mountains and lakes where we have access to some of the best outdoor spaces. We lived at the base of Yosemite (in CA) which will always be a special place to me but having so many lakes, no droughts is a big deal to me. A few things we didn't realize until we left CA. Healthcare is so much better outside of California. Both my husband and I have had serious health care situations (I had breast cancer and DH had a heart valve replaced). The care we received in TN was amazing. My mom who lived in Palm Springs thought I was full of crap when I would tell her things. She would go on and on about how great CA health care is and then she retired and moved to Missouri (couldn't afford to retire in CA). She had breast cancer a few months after I had mine and was blown away by her care. There are things we miss about California as well. I miss the food - it's the best freshest food. I miss close access to good wine. TN has no idea what good wine is. No state is perfect but for us the pros of living in California were out weighted by the cons. I’m glad you and your mom have found good health care. That’s something we have looked at. Affordable is important as well as accessibility. I’m in many leaving California groups as well as moving back group. Many have said that healthcare is horrible compared to what they had here so I guess it’s not always better. Costs in general aren’t always better. Sometimes car insurance is way more same with property taxes. Other times it’s much lower. From looking at what people claim it’s often a wash or very close. Pay less for gas but more for other basics. |
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Post by katlady on Jul 6, 2024 20:30:51 GMT
In my city we have mountain lions, bobcats, all kinds of snakes including rattle, and in the hills and mountains 15 min away are bears. We had a mountain lion hanging out 2 minutes from our home. So any time we were out we had to look up into the trees to make sure it wasn't in our neighborhood. It and another are now hanging out in the south area and the large park. Behind that is the canyon where we have wild donkeys. And then deer and coyotes of course. There was a young mountain lion one day, roaming around downtown Oceanside! They couldn’t find/catch him. Unfortunately, a day or two later, a mountain lion was found along the side of a major highway. close to the sightings. They assume it was the same cat.  |
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Post by chaosisapony on Jul 6, 2024 22:00:37 GMT
We moved from California three years ago and I asked my husband this morning about this post and the question because I was really trying to come up with a list of "freedoms". For us we moved for a better quality of life. We lived in Central CA where wages were low and housing was high. Not as high as LA, SF but high for the wages we could make in Central CA. Our home utilities, pet care, car insurance and gas is all cheaper here. We moved for a better air quality. Spending summers dealing with horrible air conditions, fires, lack of water - - our health is so much better since leaving. California does have a ton of restrictions and yes some are good (prop 65 I guess would be considered a good one) but there are others like banning gas powered cars when there is zero infrastructure for so many EV cars to go onto the electric grid is dumb. The high speed rail way...down right stupid. We live in Knoxville surrounded by beautiful mountains and lakes where we have access to some of the best outdoor spaces. We lived at the base of Yosemite (in CA) which will always be a special place to me but having so many lakes, no droughts is a big deal to me. A few things we didn't realize until we left CA. Healthcare is so much better outside of California. Both my husband and I have had serious health care situations (I had breast cancer and DH had a heart valve replaced). The care we received in TN was amazing. My mom who lived in Palm Springs thought I was full of crap when I would tell her things. She would go on and on about how great CA health care is and then she retired and moved to Missouri (couldn't afford to retire in CA). She had breast cancer a few months after I had mine and was blown away by her care. There are things we miss about California as well. I miss the food - it's the best freshest food. I miss close access to good wine. TN has no idea what good wine is. No state is perfect but for us the pros of living in California were out weighted by the cons. Your reasons are very close to why I have been thinking about leaving. I know a lot of people that have left the state in the past few years and every single one of them says that the healthcare is so much better where they are now. I'm also very tired of having an entire season of smoke and I notice that the older I get the more the smoke is affecting me. It makes me really wonder what the long term health effects of inhaling so much smoke are going to be. Wages are low where I live too but most modest houses cost $350,000+. My family is looking into Missouri and northwest Arkansas but it seems like the housing prices are not that cheap there either but the minimum wage is way less than it is here. When I look around online it seems like it's going to be pretty hard to find a job that offers any kind of quality of life. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 6, 2024 22:18:09 GMT
My husband was given the opportunity to relocate from California. My initial response was HELL NO! Our entire family lives in California. We had a good support system. But then a good friend told me to calm down and check it out. The company flew us out, let us stay for a week and explore different areas. We got to meet with a principal, special needs director and toured a school. At the time it was 15 children and 1 para in their class in California, as opposed to my sons having their own para in the new state. For us, it was a deeply personal decision to better the lives of our sons. And I have to say it was the best decision we ever made. With that said, we happily travel back to California to visit family, got to Disneyland, enjoy beautiful weather when it's winter back home. I love to visit California! And I'll always defend it when people try to crap on it. And I'm sorry, but there is nothing cuter than a bear taking a dip into a swimming pool in Duarte or Sierra Madre in the middle of a heat wave.  |
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Post by Sarah*H on Jul 6, 2024 22:47:32 GMT
I have a kid who lives in Colorado (and a brother in CO as well) and a kid who lives in California and it's much less expensive in the town where my CA kid lives. Except for gas.
I spent about 2 months in CA last year and often thought about how often conservatives and the GOP dismiss the millions of people who live in that state. At the end of the day, we're all trying to figure out what to cook for dinner, when we can walk the dog, did xxx take the garbage out, did I remember to pay the wifi bill, etc. So much division and misinformation - do we ever stop and ask ourselves why? Someone who lives in the reddest part of Kansas probably has more in common with someone who lives in Sacramento than they do with any of the conservative media personalities or politicians.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 7, 2024 4:03:53 GMT
In my city we have mountain lions, bobcats, all kinds of snakes including rattle, and in the hills and mountains 15 min away are bears. We had a mountain lion hanging out 2 minutes from our home. So any time we were out we had to look up into the trees to make sure it wasn't in our neighborhood. It and another are now hanging out in the south area and the large park. Behind that is the canyon where we have wild donkeys. And then deer and coyotes of course. There was a young mountain lion one day, roaming around downtown Oceanside! They couldn’t find/catch him. Unfortunately, a day or two later, a mountain lion was found along the side of a major highway. close to the sightings. They assume it was the same cat. I just saw something that there was one seen in Santee I’m assuming in the last few days. It wasn’t in the hills or Mission Trails park either which is really scary. |
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Post by katlady on Jul 7, 2024 5:17:29 GMT
I just saw something that there was one seen in Santee I’m assuming in the last few days. It wasn’t in the hills or Mission Trails park either which is really scary. I remember one a month or two ago being in a backyard in Rancho Santa Fe. I guess there is a "trail" that the mountain lions know about that will take them from the east county all the way to the ocean, going through the Elfin Forest area. I feel bad for them because we are taking over their habitat. I know up in LA County, they are building a bridge for the mountain lions so they don't have to cross the busy freeways. |
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Post by needmysanity on Jul 7, 2024 14:22:48 GMT
We have been pleasantly surprised that we are able to make the same/more salary here. I know every city/state is different and it also depends on what type of job you are looking at but our income has actually increased here compared to what we were making in California. (for comparison I work in non profit leadership and my husband is a GM for a collision center). |
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 7, 2024 15:03:38 GMT
No place is perfect. The right has ginned people up with the narrative about California. Our family has some experience bugging out of California. DH's family left in the 70s because of the air quality. California has some issues, but what state doesn't? We love Florida, but there's a list of drawbacks that I'll spare you for now.
DD and her husband left CA for Denver. The cost of living is much lower and it's less stressful than where she lived in SF. She had to walk through garbage and excrement and often got harassed by homeless people on her way to work. Crime was a problem. She's even more liberal than we are but the cost of living, taxes, public policy, and other factors made it too much even for her. Their San Francisco tech salaries go a lot further in Denver.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 7, 2024 15:59:37 GMT
No place is perfect. The right has ginned people up with the narrative about California. Our family has some experience bugging out of California. DH's family left in the 70s because of the air quality. California has some issues, but what state doesn't? We love Florida, but there's a list of drawbacks that I'll spare you for now. DD and her husband left CA for Denver. The cost of living is much lower and it's less stressful than where she lived in SF. She had to walk through garbage and excrement and often got harassed by homeless people on her way to work. Crime was a problem. She's even more liberal than we are but the cost of living, taxes, public policy, and other factors made it too much even for her. Their San Francisco tech salaries go a lot further in Denver. Several of yall have mentioned air quality. And I find that an odd reason to leave California specifically. California has had air quality issues for a long time. Somewhat due to the location and somewhat due industry and due to people’s daily lives. However California has taken many legislative steps to improve air quality. It is no where near as bad as the 1970’s and that’s due to legislative changes California has made to improve emissions. California has taken the forefront in the battle to improve air quality. It’s not California’s fault that the economy of California is so large that it affects what automakers sell elsewhere. 🤷♀️ I can’t fault California for wanting total EV but they aren’t there yet. I’m sure without some form of oppression from the outside ( GOP making federal laws oppressing ca laws ) they will make great strides in air quality once again. There are other states that have air quality issues that do little about it cough coughArizonacough cough. But maybe as Arizona swings more progressive they too will tackle air quality issues head on with legislation. NJ was ( maybe still is ) contemplating a ban on gas powered leaf blowers. Initially I was offended - like leaf blowers were all the difference on emissions maybe take some steps to limit private air flights since everyone & their brother are flying private jets everywhere now before picking on leaf blowers. I was wrong, it’s not emissions, it’s noise, several towns have already banned them. Gas leaf blowers are noisier than electric leaf blowers - so hadn’t even thought of that. 🤷♀️ |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 7, 2024 16:00:40 GMT
In the end I’d say that I think some people confuse the freedom to be able to consciously choose what is right or best for the community and do the least harm to all with the ‘freedom’ to be selfish to say fuck you to the community I’m going to do what I want until it affects me and then I’m going to find a way to blame you for my actions affecting me or my loved ones
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 7, 2024 21:16:45 GMT
I just saw something that there was one seen in Santee I’m assuming in the last few days. It wasn’t in the hills or Mission Trails park either which is really scary. I remember one a month or two ago being in a backyard in Rancho Santa Fe. I guess there is a "trail" that the mountain lions know about that will take them from the east county all the way to the ocean, going through the Elfin Forest area. I feel bad for them because we are taking over their habitat. I know up in LA County, they are building a bridge for the mountain lions so they don't have to cross the busy freeways. They built one of those in Murietta or Wildomar I think it is. I have driven under it many times it’s pretty cool. Not going over a busy freeway but a busy street with freeway speeds. |
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Post by anaterra on Jul 7, 2024 22:46:58 GMT
You cant buy skittles or starburst.. lol
that is tongue in cheek... because I really dont know if it is true or not... just something I have heard
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 7, 2024 23:02:01 GMT
You cant buy skittles or starburst.. lol that is tongue in cheek... because I really dont know if it is true or not... just something I have heard LOL I saw Skittles today at the check out line in Stater Bros |
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Post by chaosisapony on Jul 7, 2024 23:04:12 GMT
You can definitely buy Skittles and Starburst lol.
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Post by needmysanity on Jul 7, 2024 23:26:47 GMT
The air quality in Central California is horrible and dangerous to a lot of folks. It's the worst in the state and that's partially because it's a valley and everything gets stuck there. Add in the fires, I-5 corridor with all the semi trucks, the ag farming...it's so bad. Approx 20% of adults and 1 in 6 children who live in Central CA suffer from asthma or breathing problems and Fresno CA is #9 of the top 10 on most challenging cities to live in. It was not uncommon for me to spend my summers doing breathing treatments because I couldn't manage. In the three years since we moved I haven't had to have 1 treatment. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 8, 2024 0:41:06 GMT
No place is perfect. The right has ginned people up with the narrative about California. Our family has some experience bugging out of California. DH's family left in the 70s because of the air quality. California has some issues, but what state doesn't? We love Florida, but there's a list of drawbacks that I'll spare you for now. DD and her husband left CA for Denver. The cost of living is much lower and it's less stressful than where she lived in SF. She had to walk through garbage and excrement and often got harassed by homeless people on her way to work. Crime was a problem. She's even more liberal than we are but the cost of living, taxes, public policy, and other factors made it too much even for her. Their San Francisco tech salaries go a lot further in Denver. Several of yall have mentioned air quality. And I find that an odd reason to leave California specifically. California has had air quality issues for a long time. Somewhat due to the location and somewhat due industry and due to people’s daily lives. However California has taken many legislative steps to improve air quality. It is no where near as bad as the 1970’s and that’s due to legislative changes California has made to improve emissions. California has taken the forefront in the battle to improve air quality. It’s not California’s fault that the economy of California is so large that it affects what automakers sell elsewhere. 🤷♀️ I can’t fault California for wanting total EV but they aren’t there yet. I’m sure without some form of oppression from the outside ( GOP making federal laws oppressing ca laws ) they will make great strides in air quality once again. There are other states that have air quality issues that do little about it cough coughArizonacough cough. But maybe as Arizona swings more progressive they too will tackle air quality issues head on with legislation. NJ was ( maybe still is ) contemplating a ban on gas powered leaf blowers. Initially I was offended - like leaf blowers were all the difference on emissions maybe take some steps to limit private air flights since everyone & their brother are flying private jets everywhere now before picking on leaf blowers. I was wrong, it’s not emissions, it’s noise, several towns have already banned them. Gas leaf blowers are noisier than electric leaf blowers - so hadn’t even thought of that. 🤷♀️ Air quality? Please visit the east side of Houston, home to the refineries and chemical plants that power your cars and home. Asthma and cancer rates are much higher there than in the west part of the city. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Jul 8, 2024 1:15:55 GMT
We have been pleasantly surprised that we are able to make the same/more salary here. I know every city/state is different and it also depends on what type of job you are looking at but our income has actually increased here compared to what we were making in California. (for comparison I work in non profit leadership and my husband is a GM for a collision center). I absolutely believe this about nonprofits. I've been doing a salary analysis of other nonprofits working under the same federal contract as the one I work for and without question, the lowest salaries are in California - specifically Los Angeles. It's absolutely bizarre. I won't share how much my daughter makes as a part time gymnastics coach while she's a college student in CA but it's substantially more than what some of the nonprofits are offering for full time professionals in this particular field. |
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Post by LiLi on Jul 8, 2024 12:17:20 GMT
The freedom bs started with the lockdowns during covid. Now it's attached to anything deemed "the woke agenda" being forced onto folks. Whether it be in schools, through taxes for green energy, etc etc.
Where I live they also don't get much freedom for book banning or bullying trans kids or minorities in the classroom as they would like, either. In my city (small right leaning suburb) many are very loud about it. Recently causing much drama at board meetings over a school name change out of respect for a local native tribe.
I know this sounds dumb. However, it is literally exactly what they complain about "newscum is stealing our freedom cant wait to move out of commiefornia to Idaho(most often)-Texas(next)-North Carolina -Arizona". Lol I made my self 😆 🤣 😂 so true. Why do they act this way. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 8, 2024 12:24:45 GMT
There was a NYT story about this a few days ago. They want to live among like-minded people in states that have laws that they approve of. Looks like some red states are getting even redder.
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