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Post by littlemama on Jul 12, 2024 17:19:50 GMT
That is an odd thing to say to someone. I dont know how I would respond, but it probably depends on if I want to maintain a relationship with that person because part of my range of respinses is "you should go fuck yourself" We often talk about religion and politics. It’s our thing. Conversation. Having mutually acceptable conversations conversations about religion is not the same as telling someone else who may not share your views that they "should read the bible" or that they "need jesus". |
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Post by disneypal on Jul 12, 2024 17:23:36 GMT
In your case, my response would be "I HAVE read the Bible, I went to a Catholic college and studied theology"
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Post by pilcas on Jul 12, 2024 17:31:22 GMT
Happily, I live in NYC and people don’t do that sort of thing. I did go on a 2 week Alaska tour and a lot of the other travelers were from the MidWest and there was an awful lot of Church conversations. It seemed to me their whole lives revolved around Church activities. Happily there was another couple from Washington DC whose conversation was more varied. I will keep some of those answered in mind in case I ever need them. They are quite good!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 12, 2024 17:34:45 GMT
"And you should read the Constitution." Oh no, we’ve had that discussion too. That’s why they are allowed guns.. and no where in the constitution does it say a women has a right to her body or an abortion. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 12, 2024 19:57:46 GMT
No thanks! It should be banned: sex, incest, murder, abuse etc...
Enough said!
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 12, 2024 20:24:19 GMT
I would say.. maybe I should. And leave it at that. I'm in the middle.. not all liberal, not all conservative. Independent.
I believe in God, I believe in the Bible. I don't care what anyone thinks. I don't care what anyone else is either. Freedom of choice.
I'm not into organized religion really. I go to church on occasion. Although now it has been at least a year. My friends go weekly.
Like I said, freedom of choice, but don't make your agenda, my agenda.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jul 12, 2024 21:21:57 GMT
I wouldn't read anything someone says I “should” read.
Depending on their intent.
If it’s more forceful than suggestive, that’s a big turn off for me.
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Post by huskergal on Jul 12, 2024 21:36:22 GMT
"And you should read the Constitution." Oh no, we’ve had that discussion too. That’s why they are allowed guns.. and no where in the constitution does it say a women has a right to her body or an abortion. Actually the Old Testament teaches how to have an abortion. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 12, 2024 21:46:51 GMT
Oh no, we’ve had that discussion too. That’s why they are allowed guns.. and no where in the constitution does it say a women has a right to her body or an abortion. Actually the Old Testament teaches how to have an abortion. We were talking the constitution. Do you have the passage for the Bible? |
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Post by melanell on Jul 12, 2024 21:59:04 GMT
If anyone said that to me, I would simply say "I have, thanks." and leave it at that.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 12, 2024 22:05:06 GMT
“Oh, I keep one in my bathroom.” ☺️
What I would really do is to get as far away from those people as possible. I don’t take kindly to proselytizing. Go thump your bible elsewhere.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 12, 2024 22:06:47 GMT
We often talk about religion and politics. It’s our thing. Conversation. Having mutually acceptable conversations conversations about religion is not the same as telling someone else who may not share your views that they "should read the bible" or that they "need jesus". This exactly. If you are religious and enjoy talking about it, great. But a lot of people don’t appreciate being told that they should read the Bible. |
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Post by RosieKat on Jul 12, 2024 22:36:51 GMT
Ny boring answers:
I guess it depends on the context. Arguing about religion, Judeo-Christian morality, etc., fair statement. Often times the Bible does not say what we (they) think it does! But in most other topics, totally irrelevant and answered with something like "I have, and I'm not sure I see the relevance here." And move on.
In my ideal world, I love the hotel room answer.
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Post by Merge on Jul 12, 2024 22:40:36 GMT
Actually the Old Testament teaches how to have an abortion. We were talking the constitution. Do you have the passage for the Bible? For 50 years, prior to this activist court, settled precedent was that a right to bodily privacy was derived from the 14th amendment. I'm not sure what passage in the Bible she is talking about, but I do know that most Jews believe that life begins at first breath, not at conception. And as obsessed as evangelical Christians claim to be with their Jewish origin and Israel, you would think that would carry some weight. The Bible does not actually mention abortion or the termination of a pregnancy. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 13, 2024 1:51:13 GMT
We were talking the constitution. Do you have the passage for the Bible? For 50 years, prior to this activist court, settled precedent was that a right to bodily privacy was derived from the 14th amendment. I'm not sure what passage in the Bible she is talking about, but I do know that most Jews believe that life begins at first breath, not at conception. And as obsessed as evangelical Christians claim to be with their Jewish origin and Israel, you would think that would carry some weight. The Bible does not actually mention abortion or the termination of a pregnancy. The constitution is very specific about the gun amendments. The 14th amendment has been disclaimed as not talking about bodily freedom. Or specifically women’s bodies. At least I think that is their argument |
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Post by jill8909 on Jul 13, 2024 2:03:00 GMT
I told my friend that I did not believe in God and if the God of the Bible does exist i explicitly reject him or her as not doing a good enough job
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Post by Merge on Jul 13, 2024 2:04:56 GMT
For 50 years, prior to this activist court, settled precedent was that a right to bodily privacy was derived from the 14th amendment. I'm not sure what passage in the Bible she is talking about, but I do know that most Jews believe that life begins at first breath, not at conception. And as obsessed as evangelical Christians claim to be with their Jewish origin and Israel, you would think that would carry some weight. The Bible does not actually mention abortion or the termination of a pregnancy. The constitution is very specific about the gun amendments. The 14th amendment has been disclaimed as not talking about bodily freedom. Or specifically women’s bodies. At least I think that is their argument Yes, this activist court they decided the right to privacy doesn't exist, breaking 49 years of precedent and in direct opposition to what Trump's three justices claimed was "settled law" in their confirmation hearings. Your friends/relatives may feel differently when they come for IVF and birth control. That's next. Also interracial marriage, gay marriage, and I wouldn't be surprised if some states outlaw tubal ligation/hysterectomy without spousal consent. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 13, 2024 2:31:27 GMT
The constitution is very specific about the gun amendments. The 14th amendment has been disclaimed as not talking about bodily freedom. Or specifically women’s bodies. At least I think that is their argument Yes, this activist court they decided the right to privacy doesn't exist, breaking 49 years of precedent and in direct opposition to what Trump's three justices claimed was "settled law" in their confirmation hearings. Your friends/relatives may feel differently when they come for IVF and birth control. That's next. Also interracial marriage, gay marriage, and I wouldn't be surprised if some states outlaw tubal ligation/hysterectomy without spousal consent. My 30 yo DD was diagnosed with MS a couple of years ago. She is managing it quite well with medication and the MS really hasn’t progressed since her diagnosis. She was never too keen on having babies before her diagnosis, and now she really doesn’t want any. Pregnancy is hard on a healthy body, and while it is possible for her to still carry a child to term, she doesn’t want to risk it. Pregnancy could interfere with medical treatments and set her back. She has decided she wants a tubal ligation, and the two (male) doctors she has discussed this with are concerned that she may change her mind later. So what if she does? It’s her decision and if she has regrets later, she can deal with it. She wants to go through with the procedure now while it would s still legal (but apparently discouraged) foe a single woman to have her tubes tied. I don’t blame her. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2024 2:53:21 GMT
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Post by gar on Jul 13, 2024 7:40:42 GMT
and no where in the constitution does it say a women has a right to her body or an abortion. It needs to be written? |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 13, 2024 15:56:12 GMT
and no where in the constitution does it say a women has a right to her body or an abortion. It needs to be written? Yes. That’s what written law is. That’s what the courts rule on. Right? |
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Post by milocat on Jul 13, 2024 16:11:45 GMT
Do they actually read the bible? Ask them how often they are reading it?
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Post by Merge on Jul 13, 2024 17:35:41 GMT
Yes. That’s what written law is. That’s what the courts rule on. Right? Courts *interpret* the law. In 1973, the court interpreted the 14th amendment to include a right to bodily privacy as one that can’t be abridged without due cause. In 2022, a new, activist court threw out that interpretation based on their own religious beliefs and here we all are. The remedy now is for congress to write a very specific law guaranteeing the right to an abortion. One that is not up for interpretation. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2024 17:40:21 GMT
Do they actually read the bible? Ask them how often they are reading it? Yes I have. There are also two Bibles and a New Testament on my dresser right now. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 13, 2024 17:48:24 GMT
Do they actually read the bible? Ask them how often they are reading it? Every morning, according to them |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 13, 2024 17:50:17 GMT
Yes. That’s what written law is. That’s what the courts rule on. Right? Courts *interpret* the law. In 1973, the court interpreted the 14th amendment to include a right to bodily privacy as one that can’t be abridged without due cause. In 2022, a new, activist court threw out that interpretation based on their own religious beliefs and here we all are. The remedy now is for congress to write a very specific law guaranteeing the right to an abortion. One that is not up for interpretation. Exactly! So there needs to be something written that is in black and white and leaves less interpretation like the gun laws. |
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Post by milocat on Jul 13, 2024 18:45:49 GMT
Do they actually read the bible? Ask them how often they are reading it? Every morning, according to them Ahh crap, so not a good reaction. |
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