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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2024 19:41:50 GMT
Winning a popularity contest?
OR
Experience and knowledge ?
For me it’s experience and knowledge. I don’t have to like the person if I think they can do the job. I mean it’s not like I’m ever going to meet them.
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Jul 21, 2024 19:49:29 GMT
Any election is, at its core, a popularity contest. It’s important that a candidate is popular enough to win, but hopefully the reason they win is because they are capable of doing the job.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jul 21, 2024 19:58:26 GMT
Winning a popularity contest doesn't guarantee election. Trump lost the popular vote, but won the election. I am not sure what you are asking.
Do you mean is it more important for a party to nominate a candidate that can win or to chose a candidate that is best qualified?
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Post by katlady on Jul 21, 2024 20:15:06 GMT
The nominee has to be the best qualified person who is popular.
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Post by Zee on Jul 21, 2024 21:34:18 GMT
What's most important for what? To win? Trump has proven it's the first for a huge section of America. Hillary, clearly by far the more qualified candidate in 2016, lost to a pussy-grabbing reality star with a big mouth.
Then the Democrats rallied and voted him out.
But I'm not convinced we'll do it again... We'll see.
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Jul 22, 2024 14:23:09 GMT
Winning a popularity contest doesn't guarantee election. Trump lost the popular vote, but won the election. He won more of the “popularity contests” when you break it down by state, just not overall.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 22, 2024 17:45:13 GMT
I would say that being able to do the job is the most important, but being likeable and charismatic is also important.
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Post by Just T on Jul 22, 2024 18:16:05 GMT
I would say that being able to do the job is the most important, but being likeable and charismatic is also important. I agree. I would vote for a candidate who I didn't necessarily care for their personality if I thought they would be good for the country. A president needs to be able to work with the senate and congress, no matter the party. But there are things about personality that I cannot overlook. A bully who calls all of his opponents nasty names on a daily basis is not something I can overlook. I heard that at the convention, several speakers talked about the Republican party will unify the country. How do you unify anything when all you do is resort to bullying and name calling? I remember during Covid when Trump would make comments about not wanting to talk to governors of blue states, that he made Mike do that. I never in my adult life ever heard a president refer so often to blue states and red states. I don't think Biden ever has, at least not that I have heard. That is so far from being unifying.
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 22, 2024 18:24:40 GMT
Your wording is a little biased. Are you taking a survey or taking a shot any people who say a particular candidate isn’t “likeable?”
Lets face it, you have to do both to get elected and a lot of people vote based on who “looks presidential.” One extreme example, the 1960 election. Nixon had been VP and the polls of those who listened on the radio showed him winning the debate. Kennedy was inexperienced but handsome and charming. The polls had him winning the debate among voters who watched on tv.
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Post by amom23 on Jul 22, 2024 19:01:40 GMT
Honestly, it's both.
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Post by pilcas on Jul 22, 2024 19:59:17 GMT
The answer should be experience and knowledge but that is not how it works for some people. I know someone who is very, very pro Trump. A couple of months ago she posted a birthday fundraiser on FB for some reproductive rights group. I was speechless.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 22, 2024 20:07:08 GMT
Apparently the answer to that is fluid. I feel qualifications & experience are important but shit happens
A few years ago I’d have said experience to get the job done. But at that point we weren’t facing the alternate option with a manifesto that closely resembles mein Kampf. We hadn’t had multiple SCOTUS nominations stolen. SCOTUS didn’t appear to be off the rails totally biased. I didn’t know SCOTUS justices had been for sale, bought & paid for and their votes already decided. I didn’t know random untrue cases could be brought to SCOTUS simply to undue a previous ruling. I didn’t know that checks & balances had been thrown out the window. I didn’t know we were doomed even though it had been pointed out multiple times.
I need a QUALIFIED candidate that CAN win. Too much is at stake. I personally can not survive more Trump judges. Period. I will vote for the person who is not Trump, but is on the ballot in enough states to have the possibility of winning ( aka not Kennedy ) whether I feel they are fully qualified or not. That being said, Trump is SO unfit to be POTUS that the bar for qualifications is pretty low so I doubt that will be an issue for me.
I personally feel Harris is qualified & experienced. I have zero issues voting for her. I’ll be pleased to vote for her. If the convention gives me another choice I’ll vote for that choice even if I doubt their qualifications, but like I said in comparison the bar for qualifications is so low right now that I can’t see that becoming an issue for me. A cardboard box has more qualifications at this point.
I do not feel comfortable that my fellow Americans can come to the same conclusion. I’m deeply concerned.
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Post by Just T on Jul 22, 2024 20:18:55 GMT
The answer should be experience and knowledge but that is not how it works for some people. I know someone who is very, very pro Trump. A couple of months ago she posted a birthday fundraiser on FB for some reproductive rights group. I was speechless. they don't get it. There is a rabid Trump supporter on this board who recently posted that she is pro choice. I don't get the disconnect here. My mom thinks Roe vs. Wade being overturned is Biden's fault since he was the president at the time. Amazingly, I see this posted on threads on TikTok allllll the time, and it is astounding to me. They will say things such as "how is Roe Vs Wade being overturned Trump's fault? He wasn't even president when it happened."
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Post by hop2 on Jul 22, 2024 21:58:52 GMT
The answer should be experience and knowledge but that is not how it works for some people. I know someone who is very, very pro Trump. A couple of months ago she posted a birthday fundraiser on FB for some reproductive rights group. I was speechless. they don't get it. There is a rabid Trump supporter on this board who recently posted that she is pro choice. I don't get the disconnect here. My mom thinks Roe vs. Wade being overturned is Biden's fault since he was the president at the time. Amazingly, I see this posted on threads on TikTok allllll the time, and it is astounding to me. They will say things such as "how is Roe Vs Wade being overturned Trump's fault? He wasn't even president when it happened." Play them the clip where Trump takes credit for it. It’s one of the very few truthful things he has said youtu.be/5MhXqGl7oVs?si=YpIgNvkrhKxvIyco
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