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Post by aj2hall on Jul 22, 2024 15:05:47 GMT
I’m curious what the republicans have up their sleeve by trying to get Biden to step down now. I don’t really see that happening unless his Covid gets worse but there has to be a reason they are pushing that. They wanted to run against Biden so they are trying to still make him the focus. Also, maybe they’re thinking if they successfully force Biden to step down, Harris will have take on presidential duties while campaigning.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 22, 2024 15:12:07 GMT
Thought this was an interesting analysis. They covered 9 potential candidates including Whitmer and Newsom. Gift article - no paywall wapo.st/3Sd9EQTwww.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/21/replace-biden/The Pennsylvania governor, who endorsed Harris on Sunday, checks a lot of the same boxes as Whitmer — a popular governor from a crucial state who is almost universally respected in the party. But there are some key differences, which could either be assets or liabilities, depending on your perspective: He’s a man; he’s less experienced (having just been elected in 2022); he carries a reputation as a moderate. Shapiro would also be the first Jewish American to lead a presidential ticket, after Joe Lieberman’s history making vice-presidential nomination in 2000. Because of his relatively new status on the national stage, many have posited that Shapiro is more of an option for 2028. But it would seem hard for Democrats to ignore polls like one earlier this year showing that more than 3 in 10 Pennsylvania Trump supporters approve of him. If you want the most broadly agreeable candidate, he’s probably it. Biggest pro: Could have highest appeal to voters. Biggest con: Relative inexperience. An undersold achievement on the transportation secretary’s résumé is that he nearly won both the Iowa and New Hampshire presidential nominating contests back in 2020, when he was just a mayor of a midsize Midwestern city (South Bend, Ind.). And if the party is looking for the antithesis of Biden’s inability to drive a message against Trump, it’s Buttigieg. His jousting with Fox News hosts and Republicans at congressional hearings is often shared widely in Democratic circles, as was a clip this past weekend criticizing GOP vice-presidential nominee J.D. Vance. Buttigieg is a gifted messenger. If there’s a big drawback with Buttigieg, it’s that he appears to be the wrong candidate to try to arrest the Democratic ticket’s budding problem with diverse — and especially Black — voters. He got very little support from such groups in 2020. And his tenure as transportation secretary hasn’t always been a smooth ride. Biggest pro: Unmatched ability to take the fight to Trump and the GOP. Biggest con: Record of appealing to disaffected diverse voters.
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Post by Merge on Jul 22, 2024 15:14:35 GMT
They wanted to run against Biden so they are trying to still make him the focus. Also, maybe they’re thinking if they successfully force Biden to step down, Harris will have take on presidential duties while campaigning. That’s exactly what they’re thinking. And that’s a nope from the Biden administration.
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 22, 2024 15:25:57 GMT
My choice is Kelly or Beshear. Beshear did a bang-up job this AM and is clearly gunning for it. Kelly hits a lot of the right boxes. Both are seen as family-oriented, which, given Trump, is a good contrast. Shapiro is a great candidate but I think she needs to signal bridge-building to the wing of the party for whom Palestine is a huge issue, and he ruffled their feathers with anti-bds initiatives. Newsome is a non-starter—we lose this election if we make it a referendum on California with two Californian candidates. I don’t mind Buttigieg but I don’t think he would bring in voters who were not already persuaded. the LBGTQ know how to organize!
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 22, 2024 15:27:55 GMT
would shapiro take a hit from those who are pro-palestine currently?
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Post by peabay on Jul 22, 2024 15:38:19 GMT
Also, maybe they’re thinking if they successfully force Biden to step down, Harris will have take on presidential duties while campaigning. That’s exactly what they’re thinking. And that’s a nope from the Biden administration. And I think they would be misguided - about the only ammo they have is she's "untested." Well, if she becomes President - she's "tested."
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Post by peano on Jul 22, 2024 15:38:34 GMT
would shapiro take a hit from those who are pro-palestine currently? I think so. I think this is his primary negative factor.
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Post by hopemax on Jul 22, 2024 16:16:20 GMT
My concern with Kelly as the VP pick is his history with guns. I know he is in favor of the ability to have guns but I am afraid that he will be portrayed by the R as being some rabid "take away their guns" lunatic. I have heard his name a lot though so I will reserve judgement for now. i think gabby gifford's story gives him the rare place of being a victim of gun violence while also protecting the 2nd. it makes him credible and maybe he can at least get a couple of things done in that regard - national red flag database and AR ban?? Exactly. He can walk that line. Plus, being ex-military he can avoid the “he’s just weak and soft, won’t be a fighter” nonsense. I already expressed my preference for Kelly earlier, however I wanted to add something else. Everyone is very excited about new possibilities, and the fundraising. I am still waiting for polling, and things like voter registration and voter activism in the key swing states. Harris was always going to excite a large portion of Dems that were always going to vote Democrat. Evidence of that doesn’t equal more electoral votes. An electoral vote loss is still a possibility. Look what had happened to the political careers of the VP candidates who lost. Shapiro, Beshear and others are strong future 2028 and beyond candidates. Kelly, however, I don’t think has Presidential ambitions of his own. A loss just means he’ll go back to serving in the best way he can. He answers a concern I had, which is how to stop the GOP and Trump effectively taking 3 strong Democrats off the board in one move, if the change of the ticket doesn’t equal electoral votes.
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 22, 2024 16:23:21 GMT
astronauts usually fare well in politics.
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Post by sideways on Jul 22, 2024 16:30:33 GMT
I really like Pete and I think his time is coming. But it’s not now. That said, I would LOVE to see him debate Vance. I saw a clip of Pete on Maher and he absolutely murdered Vance. 😁🍿
I want either Shapiro or Kelly.
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Post by hopemax on Jul 22, 2024 16:35:38 GMT
astronauts usually fare well in politics. And I’m sure he knows more than a few Russian insults that might be useful, given his time working with cosmonauts.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 22, 2024 16:46:58 GMT
I am not sure of the Arizona procedures to replace Kelly. It may have been posted but I forget, if so.
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Post by katlady on Jul 22, 2024 16:52:47 GMT
I am not sure of the Arizona procedures to replace Kelly. It may have been posted but I forget, if so. I read that he is to be replaced by someone from the same party.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 22, 2024 16:54:28 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 22, 2024 17:05:32 GMT
I think sitting Democratic Governors should stay where they are. They would more good pushing the President’s Agenda. If they are popular enough to be considered as a VP then they can be more effective in their home state,
If a candidate’s stance on what’s happening in another country drives who they vote for in a U.S. election then those folks should pack their bags and move to that area. This is the United States and the driving force behind choosing the next President or any elected official has to be what they can do in this country to make it better. I’m not saying we shouldn’t concern ourselves with events outside our country. We should but not letting it become the driving force when electing the next president.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 22, 2024 17:40:45 GMT
I think sitting Democratic Governors should stay where they are. They would more good pushing the President’s Agenda. If they are popular enough to be considered as a VP then they can be more effective in their home state, If a candidate’s stance on what’s happening in another country drives who they vote for in a U.S. election then those folks should pack their bags and move to that area. This is the United States and the driving force behind choosing the next President or any elected official has to be what they can do in this country to make it better. I’m not saying we shouldn’t concern ourselves with events outside our country. We should but not letting it become the driving force when electing the next president. I strongly disagree with this. While I don't think it is the only (or even the number one issue) of this election, I do think that foreign policy matters. I want us to continue to support Ukraine and give them what they need to keep their country. I also think that we should stay in NATO. And I also don't think that Biden has been firm enough with Israel. That won't affect my vote in the election, but it might have in a primary if there were different candidates with different stances on those issues. However, I do think it is shortsighted for people to say that they won't vote for Biden (or Harris, I suppose) because of what Israel is doing in Gaza. There are other issues here that we need to tend to and Trump would not be any better for the Palestinians than Biden has been.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 22, 2024 18:21:58 GMT
I think sitting Democratic Governors should stay where they are. They would more good pushing the President’s Agenda. If they are popular enough to be considered as a VP then they can be more effective in their home state, If a candidate’s stance on what’s happening in another country drives who they vote for in a U.S. election then those folks should pack their bags and move to that area. This is the United States and the driving force behind choosing the next President or any elected official has to be what they can do in this country to make it better. I’m not saying we shouldn’t concern ourselves with events outside our country. We should but not letting it become the driving force when electing the next president. Those may be your priorities but you can’t dictate how other people vote. College students and young people in general feel really passionate about Gaza. Telling them to forget about foreign policy, they should care more about domestic policy is a terrible campaign strategy. Not to mention, it has a slight resemblance to Trump’s America first agenda. I’m really hoping for a lot of reasons there will be a peaceful solution in Gaza before November. The sooner, the better. I disagree about governors, too. They have the experience, the ones in swing states are very popular and will have widespread appeal. Some have gained national attention. Taking one Democrat out of a state won’t really change the campaigning for that particular state. In the case of Shapiro, Whitmer or Cooper, adding them to the ticket could make a positive difference in those critical states, more than them just campaigning.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 22, 2024 18:33:23 GMT
I think sitting Democratic Governors should stay where they are. They would more good pushing the President’s Agenda. If they are popular enough to be considered as a VP then they can be more effective in their home state, If a candidate’s stance on what’s happening in another country drives who they vote for in a U.S. election then those folks should pack their bags and move to that area. This is the United States and the driving force behind choosing the next President or any elected official has to be what they can do in this country to make it better. I’m not saying we shouldn’t concern ourselves with events outside our country. We should but not letting it become the driving force when electing the next president. I strongly disagree with this. While I don't think it is the only (or even the number one issue) of this election, I do think that foreign policy matters. I want us to continue to support Ukraine and give them what they need to keep their country. I also think that we should stay in NATO. And I also don't think that Biden has been firm enough with Israel. That won't affect my vote in the election, but it might have in a primary if there were different candidates with different stances on those issues. However, I do think it is shortsighted for people to say that they won't vote for Biden (or Harris, I suppose) because of what Israel is doing in Gaza. There are other issues here that we need to tend to and Trump would not be any better for the Palestinians than Biden has been. This is what I was talking about. From a post above. ”would shapiro take a hit from those who are pro-palestine currently?
“I think so. I think this is his primary negative factor.” I’m not saying this isn’t important but it shouldn’t be the driving force in who you are voting for in the United States. But having pondering it a bit I remembered nothing is ever black & white. All those pesky shades of grey that complicates things. Like trump wanting to pull the US out of NATO. IMO that would lead to WWIII. That shoots the importance factor way up. But then we are talking about trump and there is a Grand Canyon size space filled with important reasons on why not to vote for trump, it’s hard to pick one. But that would be a biggie. But not to vote for a Harris/Shaprio ticket because Shaprio is pro-palestine is ridiculous. IMO
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 22, 2024 18:34:25 GMT
I am not sure of the Arizona procedures to replace Kelly. It may have been posted but I forget, if so. I read that he is to be replaced by someone from the same party. Yes, the Democratic governor will choose a replacement until the November 2025 election, because this November is too close. I think there needs to be greater than a 150 day window. So, we would have a Democrat in his seat for another year and a half. As an incumbent, that would give them a slight edge. In my opinion, it’s not worth the risk in a closely divided Senate. Democrats are struggling to hold onto seats in Montana and Ohio. We’re definitely losing West Virginia and might lose Maryland.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 22, 2024 18:37:12 GMT
I strongly disagree with this. While I don't think it is the only (or even the number one issue) of this election, I do think that foreign policy matters. I want us to continue to support Ukraine and give them what they need to keep their country. I also think that we should stay in NATO. And I also don't think that Biden has been firm enough with Israel. That won't affect my vote in the election, but it might have in a primary if there were different candidates with different stances on those issues. However, I do think it is shortsighted for people to say that they won't vote for Biden (or Harris, I suppose) because of what Israel is doing in Gaza. There are other issues here that we need to tend to and Trump would not be any better for the Palestinians than Biden has been. This is what I was talking about. From a post above. ”would shapiro take a hit from those who are pro-palestine currently?
“I think so. I think this is his primary negative factor.” I’m not saying this isn’t important but it shouldn’t be the driving force in who you are voting for in the United States. But having pondering it a bit I remembered nothing is ever black & white. All those pesky shades of grey that complicates things. Like trump wanting to pull the US out of NATO. IMO that would lead to WWIII. That shoots the importance factor way up. But then we are talking about trump and there is a Grand Canyon size space filled with important reasons on why not to vote for trump, it’s hard to pick one. But that would be a biggie. But not to vote for a Harris/Shaprio ticket because Shaprio is pro-palestine is ridiculous. IMO The criticism is that Shapiro is pro-Israel. Maybe before you criticize him or criticize how people vote, you should figure out where he stands on issues. There is criticism of Harris for being pro-palestine, so maybe the criticisms will cancel each other out, if Harris and Shapiro are on the ticket? In my opinion, I don't think the criticism of Harris is founded based on her comments about the campus protests. www.nytimes.com/2024/05/11/us/politics/josh-shapiro-pennsylvania.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9E0.XnUb.wpbJNmcIQ3zD&smid=url-shareBut Mr. Shapiro has been direct.
Asked if he considered himself a Zionist, he said that he did. When Iran attacked Israel last month, he wrote on social media that Pennsylvania “stands with Israel.”
When the University of Pennsylvania’s president struggled before Congress to directly answer whether calling for the genocide of Jews violated the school’s rules, Mr. Shapiro said she had failed to show “moral clarity.” (She later resigned.) When opponents of the Gaza war picketed an Israeli-style restaurant in Philadelphia known for its falafel and tahini shakes, Mr. Shapiro called the demonstration antisemitic and showed up for lunch.
And as university officials have struggled to define where free speech ends and hate speech begins, a tension upending the final weeks of the school year, Mr. Shapiro has issued stern warnings about their responsibility to protect students from discrimination. The issue hits close to home: On Friday, police cleared an encampment of pro-Palestinian demonstrators off the campus of the University of Pennsylvania. Mr. Shapiro had said it was “past time” for Penn to do so.
In a new survey, Mr. Shapiro, a former state attorney general, had a job approval rating of 64 percent, with just 19 percent of Pennsylvanians saying they disapproved.
He has long emphasized bipartisanship and prioritized nonideological issues like rapidly reopening a stretch of Interstate 95 after a collapse. And his own religious observance has helped him connect with people of other faiths in a state where Jews are estimated to make up about 3 percent of the electorate. jewishinsider.com/2023/12/josh-shapiro-hamas-israel-joe-biden/Since taking office earlier this year, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro has focused more on state policy than on foreign affairs.
But since an antisemitic incident at a kosher Israeli restaurant in Philadelphia earlier this month brought the Israel-Hamas war to his home turf, the Democrat has become increasingly outspoken about the war in Gaza. Last week, the popular swing-state governor offered his most detailed comments yet on the war that was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7 terror attacks in Israel.
“Israel not only has a right to defend itself, I think Israel has a responsibility to combat Hamas head-on and to defeat Hamas,” Shapiro said at a Dec. 13 virtual event hosted by the Jewish Democratic Council of America. He began his remarks with a caveat: “I’m a state actor, not a federal actor. I don’t get a vote in the Congress in terms of what happens. I do have strong feelings.”
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Post by Kerri W on Jul 22, 2024 19:06:39 GMT
I love me some Andy! I would hate to lose Beshear in KY but would sacrifice him for the betterment of the country. He has done a wonderful job for Kentuckians.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 22, 2024 19:11:20 GMT
I think Harris is only slightly to the left of Biden in terms of Israel-Palestinian conflict. www.reuters.com/world/us/tougher-tone-israel-steady-nato-how-harris-foreign-policy-could-look-2024-07-21/Although as vice president she has mostly echoed Biden in firmly backing Israel's right to defend itself after Hamas militants carried out a deadly cross-border raid on Oct. 7, she has at times stepped out slightly ahead of the president in criticizing Israel's military approach.In March, she bluntly stated that Israel was not doing enough to ease a "humanitarian catastrophe" during its ground offensive in the Palestinian enclave. Later, she did not rule out "consequences" for Israel if it launched a full-scale invasion of refugee-packed Rafah in southern Gaza.Such language has raised the possibility that Harris, as president, might take at least a stronger rhetorical line with Israel than Biden, analysts say.This is another criticism of her regarding her comments on campus protests from Bret Stephen (I disagree with him 95% of the time but he is more tolerable than Fox) www.nytimes.com/2024/07/21/opinion/kamala-harris-joe-biden-drops-out.htmlHer notes of sympathy for the campus anti-Israel protesters don’t sit well with a lot of voters — emphatically including me.
I think this is his criticism of what Harris said about campus protestors but I don't see anything wrong with her statement. Also, I think the protests could be more accurately describes as Gaza supporters. I think he frames his entire statement with a falsehood or spin www.thenation.com/article/politics/kamala-harris-interview-profile-excerpt/The young people who have mobilized against the destruction of Gaza are unlikely to be mollified by these answers. What does she say to them?
“They are showing exactly what the human emotion should be, as a response to Gaza. There are things some of the protesters are saying that I absolutely reject, so I don’t mean to wholesale endorse their points. But we have to navigate it. I understand the emotion behind it.”
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 22, 2024 19:20:45 GMT
Please do not let the party devolve into infighting about the Middle East. It's a terrible, horrible situation that is not one the US can solve. This election needs to be about AMERICAN WOMEN! FFS do not continue to let the Republican set the narrative and fuck ourselves.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 22, 2024 19:23:48 GMT
I’m curious what the republicans have up their sleeve by trying to get Biden to step down now. I don’t really see that happening unless his Covid gets worse but there has to be a reason they are pushing that. They wanted to run against Biden so they are trying to still make him the focus. Just wanted to add to this. I agree with Jeffries. The Republicans know their candidate, policies and project 2025 are widely unpopular. They're trying anything to take the focus off that. No transcript, but it's a short clip Jeffries
Hakeem Jeffries @repjeffries Extreme MAGA Republicans are having a complete and total meltdown.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 22, 2024 20:12:42 GMT
Trust me I want to be wrong but in the next 15 years? I just don’t see it. Please please please prove me wrong. 😁 I think there is a pretty good chance that Jared Polis, the gay governor of Colorado (my state) will run for president or be a VP pick. I thought this was a funny response when he was asked if he would serve as VP for Harris. I don't know enough about him to know if he has presidential aspirations or not Jared PolisJacob N. Kornbluh. @jacobkornbluh Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, asked if he’d accept offer to serve as vp for Harris, quips: “Look, if they if they do the polling and it turns out that they need a 49-year-old, bald and gay Jew from Boulder, Colorado, they got my number.” @danabashcnn : “😆😆. That was very funny.”
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Post by kamper on Jul 22, 2024 23:25:59 GMT
That is my choice. Yours? We are going to have enough trouble getting a woman elected president. I don't think adding a gay man (as smart as he is) with not a whole lot of experience (Sec of the DOT and mayor of a small city)is going to help the ticket. I think Andy Beshear would be a good pick.
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Post by breetheflea on Jul 22, 2024 23:27:24 GMT
Whitmer has also said no to being VP. I think I read that on CNN but now I can't find it.
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Post by Gem Girl on Jul 22, 2024 23:51:49 GMT
After doing some reading, I think Shapiro is the best bet. We absolutely need a swing state candidate. Pennsylvania would be huge. I like what I've seen from him on the nightly talking heads shows. That he's from a large swing state is helpful. I don't want to sacrifice any senators--we're going to need them. I think Pete would be too much to combine with the things some "centrist-leaning" voters on the right already feel they'll be overlooking to vote for Kamala. We'll vex them by showing she knows how to get things done.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 23, 2024 2:35:37 GMT
That is my choice. Yours? We are going to have enough trouble getting a woman elected president. I don't think adding a gay man (as smart as he is) with not a whole lot of experience (Sec of the DOT and mayor of a small city)is going to help the ticket. I think Andy Beshear would be a good pick. And that is the problem punting by bringing some straight white guy instead of acknowledging what could be really good with Harris and Buttigieg. This country judges people by who they are, meaning man, woman, white, person of color, straight, gay or transgender. Wouldn’t it be great if we accept people for who they are and judged them solely by their words and actions. Just think what a better place this would be if we did.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 23, 2024 2:47:31 GMT
Of course it would ideal for everyone to be accepted by everyone else. For now that is not the world we live in. It takes time, often too much, to make changes. Our goal today is to get Harris elected president whoever she chooses as her VP!
BTW: She has reached the number of delegates needed for her nomination!
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