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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 23, 2024 23:14:03 GMT
Which policies specifically do you think of when people say "his/her liberal extreme agenda"? I am having a hard time thinking of anything that would qualify, especially when it is said as if it is a bad or dangerous thing.
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Post by melanell on Jul 23, 2024 23:40:57 GMT
The first things that comes to mind for me are pro-life vs pro-choice opinions, LGBTQ+ rights and immigration issues. There are definitely people who view all of those as bad and dangerous.
And since I've recently seen some local residents posting how solar and wind farms are going to bring in tornados and hurricanes, perhaps green energy is a bad, dangerous thing as well.
ETA: I forgot 2 big ones--any degree of gun control and even the slightest whiff of the idea of universal health care.
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Post by peasapie on Jul 23, 2024 23:49:42 GMT
I think the big issue is transgender in sports. That's pushed big time by extreme right agenda, and in truth it is a tiny fraction of the population who will ever experience such a thing. But it's one of the pet issues they use to rile up their base.
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 23, 2024 23:50:57 GMT
Well...the threats thrown at my church are all because of our welcome and support to LGBTQ+ individuals and groups. So I'd say that in MAGA eyes that's an extreme liberal agenda.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 24, 2024 0:05:14 GMT
For me? Mine would be so many social programs that are unsustainable financially. Pushing things so fast they end up being inefficient, unsustainable, or have consequences that are not thought of or there is no solution to. Forcing people to read specific books Handing out money left and right
I'm not saying there is a lot of extreme agenda out there or that any of this is happening, but this would be considered extreme to me if it was. I do think some people are much more to the left of where I am.
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Post by Merge on Jul 24, 2024 0:08:44 GMT
There is not actually any extreme liberal agenda in mainstream US politics.
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Post by hopemax on Jul 24, 2024 0:17:32 GMT
Universal Base Income probably qualifies.
However if conservatives are really concerned about dropping birth rates and refuse to work on immigration policy, they better start thinking about it.
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Post by Rhondito on Jul 24, 2024 0:26:09 GMT
Most of what I hear from people here are issues about transgender rights - they think men are going to go into bathrooms with women and little girls; anything to do with climate/environment/electric vehicles; any kind of gun regulations; abortion.
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Post by Ryann on Jul 24, 2024 0:27:01 GMT
Universal healthcare, reparations, alternative energy, social programs.
I personally don't see these as extreme, but the ones that like to carry on about "socialism" and "woke" sure do.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jul 24, 2024 0:39:08 GMT
For me? Mine would be so many social programs that are unsustainable financially. Pushing things so fast they end up being inefficient, unsustainable, or have consequences that are not thought of or there is no solution to. Forcing people to read specific booksHanding out money left and right I'm not saying there is a lot of extreme agenda out there or that any of this is happening, but this would be considered extreme to me if it was. I do think some people are much more to the left of where I am. Maura Healy (Governor of MA) is learning this the very very hard way with housing. MA is the only "right to shelter" state in the US, and the system is taxed beyond the limit. She's having to come up with a VERY unpopular (to the left) triage system- and there are some serious issues with the way she's setting it up. It's contradictory. I struck through forcing people to read specific books, unless you mean the Bible? I don't quite understand that.. I thought it was the other way around? (Talkingpointwise.) I'll add though, increasing the tax burden on incomes over.... _____________________ (?) Who knows. But I've seen $400k floated alot. $400k isn't alot of money. Certainly not f-you money where extremely high taxes don't hurt as bad. Here in my state, if your household income is lower than $350k, you aren't likely to be able to buy a home, save for retirement, or pay the inflated taxes. In Boston (according to an article I read today, about half of the backlog is immigration related---- whether or not it's true- it's a little irksome to see my son looking for an apartment and a 1 bedroom shared bath roomate situation is $1500 a month.. and yet out of all our checks, the money is being yanked and housing (too much of which is empty because of bureaucratic tape, ineptitude and fat) is provided to others not contributing. And now they want to require air conditioning, or reimbursement for using the energy to have ac during certain heat conditions. That's not going to be cheap. And it's not the AC's or the electricity I'm talking about. I'm talking about moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee state employees running more bureaucratic tape. Meanwhile, my parents don't have AC. I have family in FL who are unable to afford to fix their AC and it's not a priority because they can't afford to run it anyway. But yet... here, in MA... we will provide AC. I know it was probably (lol) provocative how I shared the last "thing." I find it incredulous, and disrespectful of the money they literally yank out of my pocket. I have to be way more careful and mindful of how I spend my money, but the liberal government of MA has a great plan to deal with spending. More taxes! You asked... excessive and unfettered immigration, excessive spending on programs that don't make a meaningful impact and actually HELP people to get out of poverty, and taxes taxes taxes to run the machine. Oh, and bike lanes. I hate bike lanes all through Boston and Cambridge. And bus lanes. WTH. We already had some of the worst traffic in the country (sometimes we are top of the list-YAY~) So, we shrink the number of lanes our cow paths turned itty bitty windy roads have. Make more of them one way. Then we have bicyclists that won't follow the law (haven't seen a single one be stopped by police or transit police weaving in and out of traffic. When the line of cars approaches a red light and stop, they zip right up the left and right side to the front, then sneak out and cross if there is .2 seconds of space between the cars with the green light. So you have peds, cars, trucks, busses, bikes all over the place. Bus lanes largely unused, while traffic is at a stand still. Illegal gridlock (again.. haven't seen a ticket written once- although it's possible at Sullivan Square they are- love those transit popo's) and people, bikes, scooters, mopeds all weaving around during rush hour. It's fabulous. UGH.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jul 24, 2024 0:50:40 GMT
Most of what I hear from people here are issues about transgender rights - they think men are going to go into bathrooms with women and little girls; anything to do with climate/environment/electric vehicles; any kind of gun regulations; abortion. We just had this convo with my EXTREMELY liberal mother-in-law. Elizabeth Warren is her patron saint. Apparently, brother and sister in law had gone to a festival, and there were indoor bathrooms. So they went, and stood in the lines. Apparently a man had his little girl (consensus was 3 ish) and he took her into the ladies room. MIL was absolutely horrified (her word.) She didn't make a scene, but she did let people go ahead of her until dad/daughter finished and came out, then she went in. I just don't get it! But, I feel like this is a point of priviledge for alot of people. She also refused to go anywhere for about two years during covid because she couldn't (read: unwilling) to stop somewhere use a restroom. I went to work everyday, and had no choice but to function in society. I also travel alot, and go alot places. I see so many gender neutral bathrooms, with a few different set ups. Basically, a room of stalls for whoever, and sinks all behind a door. Or even a row of stalls, that open to an alcove where sinks are, with no main door at all. One place I work has 8 floors. On odd floors, there are women's rooms and a room of stalls (for whoever- woman or man.) On even floors, there are men's rooms, and a room of stalls (again for whoever.) There are so many ways that this can be done. I guess I don't understand what the problem is with a man taking his three year old daughter to the womens room. We asked if she would prefer he parade her past the (perhaps in use) urinals.. she didn't really have an answer. But, "in her day, mom's took the kids to the bathroom. Heeeeeey!! There's an extreme liberal agenda for you - involved fathers! Paternity leave! (Not at all saying I agree with that being considered extreme, but I do hear alot of scoffing about it.) Why, yes, of course it is best for the father to not get to bond with their new child (and perhaps take some pressure off the mom) so that they can go to work and make money for someone else that doesn't even care about the wellbeing of their child.... YUCK.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 24, 2024 0:54:56 GMT
The left can not have an extreme agenda because normal center or just left of center things are berated as being ‘extreme left’ they can barely pass center policies.
The issue is the right has swung so far right that just right of center is called extreme.
I say this as a fiscal conservative who’s tired of extreme right social stances. Especially when it’s not fiscally conservative at all ( far right plutocratic policies ) especially when it makes more government control in my life when there should be less
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Post by lisae on Jul 24, 2024 1:03:15 GMT
It's relative. In my geographic area just about all of the Democratic agenda would be extreme liberal.
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Post by Just T on Jul 24, 2024 1:12:27 GMT
It's relative. In my geographic area just about all of the Democratic agenda would be extreme liberal. Same here. Where I live, if you aren't a Trump supporter, you are the radical left. I am soooooo sick of hearing that. I have never been radical left. Used to vote mostly Republican, but I have always considered myself very middle of the road politically. I've become far more left as I've gotten older, and unless things with the Republican party drastically change away from MAGA Trumpians, I will likely never vote for a Republican again. ETA: I shouldn't say FAR more left, but I am definitely more left of center than right. I don't consider wanting basic rights for everyone whether you are gay, trans, female etc as being far left, but I know a lot of people do. I also don't believe that what rights you have as a person should be different based on where you live.
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Post by Merge on Jul 24, 2024 1:17:38 GMT
Universal Base Income probably qualifies. However is conservatives are really concerned about dropping birth rates and refuse to work on immigration policy, they better start thinking about it. The idea that corporate and farm subsidies and tax breaks for billionaires are totally fine but UBI is “extreme” boggles the mind. We’ve had trickle-down economics and it was a failure. Let’s try some trickle-up economics.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 24, 2024 1:21:09 GMT
It's relative. In my geographic area just about all of the Democratic agenda would be extreme liberal. Same here. Where I live, if you aren't a Trump supporter, you are the radical left. I am soooooo sick of hearing that. I have never been radical left. Used to vote mostly Republican, but I have always considered myself very middle of the road politically. I've become far more left as I've gotten older, and unless things with the Republican party drastically change away from MAGA Trumpians, I will likely never vote for a Republican again. ETA: I shouldn't say FAR more left, but I am definitely more left of center than right. I don't consider wanting basic rights for everyone whether you are gay, trans, female etc as being far left, but I know a lot of people do. I also don't believe that what rights you have as a person should be different based on where you live. This sounds like me. I have gotten more liberal and grew up in a Republican family and voted that way until I just couldn’t any more. I thought I would start voting Republican again after TFG but even if they went back to their roots I would probably be too liberal.
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Post by peano on Jul 24, 2024 1:59:29 GMT
From what I can tell from my subjugation to watching Fox when I visit my father, there are no moderate Democrats. All Democrats according to Fox are socialists with extreme liberal agendas. Therefore, it is essentially meaningless.
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Post by purplebee on Jul 24, 2024 2:19:55 GMT
It's relative. In my geographic area just about all of the Democratic agenda would be extreme liberal. Same here. Where I live, if you aren't a Trump supporter, you are the radical left. I am soooooo sick of hearing that. I have never been radical left. Used to vote mostly Republican, but I have always considered myself very middle of the road politically. I've become far more left as I've gotten older, and unless things with the Republican party drastically change away from MAGA Trumpians, I will likely never vote for a Republican again. ETA: I shouldn't say FAR more left, but I am definitely more left of center than right. I don't consider wanting basic rights for everyone whether you are gay, trans, female etc as being far left, but I know a lot of people do. I also don't believe that what rights you have as a person should be different based on where you live. This is me. A blue dot in a red state surrounded by trump humpers. I am fiscally conservative, but not at the expense of basic human rights and dignity for everyone. I don’t think I could ever vote for a Republican again.
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Post by Linda on Jul 24, 2024 2:23:46 GMT
as far as I can tell...my moderate views are now extremely liberal and what I would consider slightly left of me is now socialist/communist. And it's not that my views have radically changed, it's that the spectrum has shifted so far to the right in my area.
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Post by ellen on Jul 24, 2024 2:34:04 GMT
If you live in MN it would seem that changing our state flag was an extreme liberal agenda. It was the biggest outrage right around Christmas time. We had a lame flag that was a state seal on a navy blue background, all sorts of state symbols on it, a farmer, a Native American on a horse, a bunch of stars, state motto, etc. They held a contest to submit entries using the guidelines for good flag design. A design was chosen by a panel and tweaked a bit. People on Facebook were losing their $hit. I now can recognize MAGA households because they have the old flag flying. I bought a garden flag of the new design. I think it’s pretty.
I found it fascinating how so many people were saying the old flag would always be their flag and that they would hang it proudly. Nobody cared about that flag until our Democrat controlled government decided it was time to change it. My older sister said that if they could do that to our flag that they could do anything and we’d be powerless to stop it. I learned that my sister is nuts.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 24, 2024 2:55:07 GMT
I think extreme liberal agenda is a group of words that conservatives like to toss around like socialism, communism, Marxism, fascism, radical left etc.
From what I see and hear, conservatives rant and complain about the radical left and when pushed for details, they give falsehoods and spin. Abortion bans up to the moment of birth and after, immigrants voting, indoctrinating children, teaching element school kids crt etc.
If we're talking about a true progressive agenda, these are some policies & ideas that come to mind cancelling student debt clean needle programs and sites housing first? this doesn't seem too progressive, though wealth tax universal health care reparations child care subsidies cash assistance for immigrants creating legal pathways for immigration or making immigration safer and easier raising minimum wage to a living wage expanded paid family leave rent relief or putting caps on rent criminal justice reform police reform racial justice and equality universal pre-K and kindergarten
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Post by Gennifer on Jul 24, 2024 3:00:17 GMT
$400k isn't alot of money. Yes, it is. That is in the top 5% of household incomes in America.
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Post by librarylady on Jul 24, 2024 3:03:20 GMT
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Post by librarylady on Jul 24, 2024 3:05:30 GMT
It is relative. What is conservative in one area could be liberal in another place.
Think California vs Missouri for example.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 24, 2024 3:20:19 GMT
$400, 000 is with a lot more in states with lower costs of living. In places like California, NY, DC, Boston etc with a high cost of living, it doesn't have as much buying power. However, we're still talking about the wealthiest Americans. I'm not sure what the details were in the final budget, but Biden's tax proposal for this year was to raise the rate for individuals earning over $400,00 or couples over $450,00 from 37% to 39.6%. With all of the tax loopholes, individuals in that income bracket are not actually paying that tax rate. This is a couple of years old and only applies to the top 1%. But, the 400 wealthiest families in the US paid an average of an 8.2 % tax rate www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2021/09/23/what-is-the-average-federal-individual-income-tax-rate-on-the-wealthiest-americans/This table shows different rates, I'm not sure which one is accurate home.treasury.gov/system/files/131/Distribution-of-Tax-Burden-Current-Law-2024.pdf
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 24, 2024 3:42:23 GMT
It's relative. In my geographic area just about all of the Democratic agenda would be extreme liberal. I live in one of the famous targets of right-wing “look that liberal city is burning,” Seattle. We did once have one socialist city council member, and we once had a mayor who liked bicycles. But usually we have a centrist mayor and city council who mostly fund the police and sweep up homeless people and give Amazon what it wants. I think it can be amazing how not-particularly-liberal even “liberal” places are. We are not conservative, however, and it does make a difference!
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Post by Linda on Jul 24, 2024 4:08:10 GMT
According to that I’m an outsider left which I guess is the new moderate?
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Post by jill8909 on Jul 24, 2024 4:45:17 GMT
1. shutting down most of private health insurance and doing medicare for all. 2. forcing schools to do the transgender sports thing 3. not enforcing immigration laws at the border 4. take away guns. 5. DEI 6. slavery reparations 7. increasing the minimum wage and other requirements on businesses 8. increasing taxes on anyone including the super wealthy 9. recognizing that racism is real
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Post by hop2 on Jul 24, 2024 9:22:45 GMT
Universal Base Income probably qualifies. However is conservatives are really concerned about dropping birth rates and refuse to work on immigration policy, they better start thinking about it. The idea that corporate and farm subsidies and tax breaks for billionaires are totally fine but UBI is “extreme” boggles the mind. We’ve had trickle-down economics and it was a failure. Let’s try some trickle-up economics. We sort of did, and it worked Covid gave the ‘excuse’ to try out ‘universal’ payments & it helped the economy. Imagine what could have been done if they had concentrated more on that than on giving forgiven loans to rich people to squander on cars & shit? I do not understand why Covid loan cheaters have largely been unprosecuted.
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Post by littlemama on Jul 24, 2024 9:53:06 GMT
There is not actually any extreme liberal agenda in mainstream US politics. Exactly. My views in the 90s were considered moderate. Now theybare labeled as "extreme" even though they havent changed much. It is just fear mongering by the right
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