dawnnikol
Prolific Pea
'A life without books is a life not lived.' Jay Kristoff
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 24, 2024 10:17:31 GMT
/cackle - I came out in the 13% as Establishment Liberal. Funny how things change. When everything has skewed so far to the conservative extreme, everything to the left is "extreme" to them. It's one of their party lines. I had read an article about how even Bernie-freaking-Sanders is considered "slightly left" on a global scale and she didn't believe me. |
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ellen
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by ellen on Jul 24, 2024 11:15:58 GMT
I used to think I was fairly far to the left until I attended my county caucus. Then I realized I was just a standard Democrat and understood why the most progressive Democrats get frustrated with the establishment. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 24, 2024 11:30:57 GMT
I found it fascinating how so many people were saying the old flag would always be their flag and that they would hang it proudly. Nobody cared about that flag until our Democrat controlled government decided it was time to change it. My older sister said that if they could do that to our flag that they could do anything and we’d be powerless to stop it. I learned that my sister is nuts. This is an example of what I think it is. An extreme liberal agenda = progress, change. Anything that changes the status quo of like 1970 and before is the extreme liberal agenda. People who weren't even *born* in the 1960s romanticize that time period. If I see one more meme about how people drank out of water hoses and didn't die so that makes that generation tougher in some way, I'm going to puke. And I'll just tell you, the majority of my music listening is *still* via boom box and CD. So I'm probably more old-fashioned than many people. I am not closed off to the possibility that *some* things were better 30 or 40 years ago. But the constant harassment the only openly gay kid in my grade got in high school was not cool. It's extreme liberal agenda that we don't want that shit to happen anymore. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 24, 2024 11:38:29 GMT
From what I can tell from my subjugation to watching Fox when I visit my father, there are no moderate Democrats. All Democrats according to Fox are socialists with extreme liberal agendas. Therefore, it is essentially meaningless. That’s pretty much what prompted my question. I keep seeing ads for Republicans that use that phrasing but don’t explain what specifically that means. Or people will say that there are extreme liberals (like the squad) but I really don’t see what they are doing that is supposedly so extreme or harmful. Even with lgbtq rights, is anyone actually pushing an agenda? It seems to me liberals are mostly fighting against the extreme agenda of the right (taking rights away). ellen yes! The flag controversy is so ridiculous. People say it is a replica of the flag of Somalia to represent the Somali community here (even though it was designed by a white man). Or like you said, if “they” can change that without public consent, what else will “they” do? I’m sure none of these people could describe the old flag before. |
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 24, 2024 12:32:54 GMT
If I see one more meme about how people drank out of water hoses and didn't die so that makes that generation tougher in some way, I'm going to puke...I am not closed off to the possibility that *some* things were better 30 or 40 years ago. But the constant harassment the only openly gay kid in my grade got in high school was not cool. It's extreme liberal agenda that we don't want that shit to happen anymore. Me, too. I would puke if I had to drink from a hose. I'm mortified about how we thought about gay people back then, but we'd never met any...or so we thought. Years later, we realized how many we knew who were afraid to say so. It's ironic that the party who postures about Christianity seems to have missed the part about "love thy neighbor as thyself when it comes to LGBTQ people. Shouldn't the "gay agenda" be in their wheelhouse? I took the quiz and thought the questions were constructed poorly, but I found myself exactly where I thought, right in the middle, but I'm pretty far left on choice and guns, which weren't even part of the quiz. A robust economy where hard work makes it possible to make a nice life for your family, a government that takes care of the most vulnerable but doesn't throw around our hard-earned tax dollars, and schools that provide quality education all seem like a good place to start. Can't we all get there, no matter which side we're on? When everything has skewed so far to the conservative extreme, everything to the left is "extreme" to them. It's one of their party lines. I had read an article about how even Bernie-freaking-Sanders is considered "slightly left" on a global scale and she didn't believe me. The rest of the world is more liberal than we are, but I'm not sure the Bernie Sanders example tracks. We've lived overseas and our daughter lives in Spain so we see things from the outside. There are large drawbacks regarding innovation and productivity. Taxing people half to death and then wasting the money is a major problem. Capitalism makes things more efficient but our brand of extreme capitalism is corrosive. Nobody else seems to have sorted it out either, except Scandinavia which has a very small, homogenous population, like Vermont where Bernie Sanders is from. |
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 24, 2024 12:49:35 GMT
taking everyone's guns away. that's extremely liberal.
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Tearisci
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Post by Tearisci on Jul 24, 2024 13:26:09 GMT
/cackle - I came out in the 13% as Establishment Liberal. Funny how things change. I got the same thing and I considered myself more mainstream. How funny! |
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Post by librarylady on Jul 24, 2024 13:38:40 GMT
What is the flag controversy? It has been this way it is since the 50th state entered the union.
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Post by librarylady on Jul 24, 2024 13:44:47 GMT
Your best fit is…
Establishment Liberals
… along with 13% the public
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 24, 2024 13:51:40 GMT
What is the flag controversy? It has been this way it is since the 50th state entered the union. Minnesota recently re-designed the state flag and conservatives are up in arms. They say that there should have been a vote, that it is “just like” the Somalia flag, etc. Probably in part because one reason for the new design was because there were negative stereotypes of indigenous people on the old flag, but also because democrats are in power so everything that is done has to be a fight. www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/what-to-know-about-minnesotas-new-state-flag-and-seal |
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Post by Merge on Jul 24, 2024 14:03:33 GMT
To no one’s surprise, I’m sure, my quiz score came out as “progressive left.” But my views are pretty standard in other wealthy countries. It’s only here in ‘Murica that things like wanting people to have healthcare and good public education, wanting sensible gun control, treating immigrants and minorities humanely, keeping religion out of the public sphere, and caring about the climate makes me “far left.”
Ridiculous. We have a long way to go as a nation.
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Post by Merge on Jul 24, 2024 14:07:23 GMT
Most of what I hear from people here are issues about transgender rights - they think men are going to go into bathrooms with women and little girls; anything to do with climate/environment/electric vehicles; any kind of gun regulations; abortion. We just had this convo with my EXTREMELY liberal mother-in-law. Elizabeth Warren is her patron saint. Apparently, brother and sister in law had gone to a festival, and there were indoor bathrooms. So they went, and stood in the lines. Apparently a man had his little girl (consensus was 3 ish) and he took her into the ladies room. MIL was absolutely horrified (her word.) She didn't make a scene, but she did let people go ahead of her until dad/daughter finished and came out, then she went in. I just don't get it! But, I feel like this is a point of priviledge for alot of people. She also refused to go anywhere for about two years during covid because she couldn't (read: unwilling) to stop somewhere use a restroom. I went to work everyday, and had no choice but to function in society. I also travel alot, and go alot places. I see so many gender neutral bathrooms, with a few different set ups. Basically, a room of stalls for whoever, and sinks all behind a door. Or even a row of stalls, that open to an alcove where sinks are, with no main door at all. One place I work has 8 floors. On odd floors, there are women's rooms and a room of stalls (for whoever- woman or man.) On even floors, there are men's rooms, and a room of stalls (again for whoever.) There are so many ways that this can be done. I guess I don't understand what the problem is with a man taking his three year old daughter to the womens room. We asked if she would prefer he parade her past the (perhaps in use) urinals.. she didn't really have an answer. But, "in her day, mom's took the kids to the bathroom. Heeeeeey!! There's an extreme liberal agenda for you - involved fathers! Paternity leave! (Not at all saying I agree with that being considered extreme, but I do hear alot of scoffing about it.) Why, yes, of course it is best for the father to not get to bond with their new child (and perhaps take some pressure off the mom) so that they can go to work and make money for someone else that doesn't even care about the wellbeing of their child.... YUCK. My husband used to take our girls into the men’s room, but would wait until there was no one else in there. At a crowded festival, that’s not necessarily feasible. The US is way behind on providing more private and/or family restrooms. This shouldn’t be such an issue here in the richest country in the world. I’m also a Liz Warren fan and still wish she’d been our nominee. See a problem, come up with a sensible plan to solve it. Navigate the politics necessary to make that happen while making sure the little people don’t get crushed in the process. Utterly sane and reasonable. |
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caangel
Drama Llama
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Location: So Cal
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Post by caangel on Jul 24, 2024 14:09:43 GMT
If you live in MN it would seem that changing our state flag was an extreme liberal agenda. It was the biggest outrage right around Christmas time. We had a lame flag that was a state seal on a navy blue background, all sorts of state symbols on it, a farmer, a Native American on a horse, a bunch of stars, state motto, etc. They held a contest to submit entries using the guidelines for good flag design. A design was chosen by a panel and tweaked a bit. People on Facebook were losing their $hit. I now can recognize MAGA households because they have the old flag flying. I bought a garden flag of the new design. I think it’s pretty. I found it fascinating how so many people were saying the old flag would always be their flag and that they would hang it proudly. Nobody cared about that flag until our Democrat controlled government decided it was time to change it. My older sister said that if they could do that to our flag that they could do anything and we’d be powerless to stop it. I learned that my sister is nuts. Someone in Government must have seen Roman Mars's TED Talk 😁🚩 I just listened to a recent 99% Invisible and Roman had Pete Buttigieg on. Peet said when he was mayor they also redesigned the city flag after watching Roman's TED Talk. |
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caangel
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Post by caangel on Jul 24, 2024 14:20:00 GMT
$400k isn't alot of money. Yes, it is. That is in the top 5% of household incomes in America. I agree. I live in So Cal and we live very comfortably in a nice area and don't make half that. (Worth noting we bought our house 20+ yrs ago, would not be able to buy it now.) |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 24, 2024 14:40:49 GMT
If you live in MN it would seem that changing our state flag was an extreme liberal agenda. It was the biggest outrage right around Christmas time. We had a lame flag that was a state seal on a navy blue background, all sorts of state symbols on it, a farmer, a Native American on a horse, a bunch of stars, state motto, etc. They held a contest to submit entries using the guidelines for good flag design. A design was chosen by a panel and tweaked a bit. People on Facebook were losing their $hit. I now can recognize MAGA households because they have the old flag flying. I bought a garden flag of the new design. I think it’s pretty. I found it fascinating how so many people were saying the old flag would always be their flag and that they would hang it proudly. Nobody cared about that flag until our Democrat controlled government decided it was time to change it. My older sister said that if they could do that to our flag that they could do anything and we’d be powerless to stop it. I learned that my sister is nuts. Someone in Government must have seen Roman Mars's TED Talk 😁🚩 I just listened to a recent 99% Invisible and Roman had Pete Buttigieg on. Peet said when he was mayor they also redesigned the city flag after watching Roman's TED Talk. I just listened to it and I would bet you are right  |
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Jul 24, 2024 19:10:58 GMT
To no one’s surprise, I’m sure, my quiz score came out as “progressive left.” But my views are pretty standard in other wealthy countries. It’s only here in ‘Murica that things like wanting people to have healthcare and good public education, wanting sensible gun control, treating immigrants and minorities humanely, keeping religion out of the public sphere, and caring about the climate makes me “far left.” Ridiculous. We have a long way to go as a nation. Another “Progressive Left” checking in. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 24, 2024 19:49:39 GMT
Establishment liberal, but I'm kind of surprised, I would have expected progressive. Not sure which question I answered differently that moved me to the right.
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