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Post by iamcaro on Aug 1, 2024 2:37:00 GMT
My husband and I don't agree politically. I had more similar views that aligned with his until I started to follow politics more closely and then my views changed and evolved. We disagree on almost everything.
We don't talk about politics much because he tends to try to make me feel uneducated when I do but I would like to ask him why he believes certain things and wants to vote for a certain person but I don't want to open a Pandora's box. At the same time, I want to discuss important issues with him.
I understand that he has worked hard his entire life to support our family and he worries about the economic health of the country. He also believes strongly in states' rights. I find that if I try to figure out his underlying reasoning behind certain issues then it is easier for me to understand him. He does not like to talk about serious issues with me very much.
We have a good, strong marriage. I love him very much and the family that we have made. Divorce is not, and never will be, an option. In case age is relevant, we are Gen X.
I guess I am asking for a script or other ways to talk with him about politics. I feel like there is an unacknowledged barrier between us right now that I would like to breach.
Is anyone in the same kind of relationship? How have you handled discussions or building a life together despite these fundamental differences?
Thank you in advance for being kind in your responses!
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Post by bethany102399 on Aug 1, 2024 2:56:38 GMT
I find that if I try to figure out his underlying reasoning behind certain issues then it is easier for me to understand him. I feel like there is an unacknowledged barrier between us right now that I would like to breach. I'd start with those 2 sentences. I'm trying to understand your point of view on this. I feel it's a barrier between us and I'd like to breach it. as someone who also has an opposite political view from her DH this is where I would go. It's not about the fact that he's politically opposite from you, it's about the fact that you feel there's a wall between you because of it that you need to address.
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Post by anaterra on Aug 1, 2024 6:21:15 GMT
We dont discuss it often... we both have to be in good mental spaces for it to a serious discussion....
If he is making jabs or i am and we are getting close to crossing our own imaginary line... we have a phrase we say that puts an end to it... for that moment and we move on...
It is also this phrase we use around others when we are ready to go or something is going/being said making us uncomfortable...
We are also in a really good relationship and have long term goals where divorce is not something we will consider because of political differences...
I know a lot of peas say they could not stay married to a person who is a conservative republican... i live in west texas...i am most definitely in the minority being as liberal as i am...
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Post by Zee on Aug 1, 2024 6:46:19 GMT
We dont discuss it often... we both have to be in good mental spaces for it to a serious discussion.... If he is making jabs or i am and we are getting close to crossing our own imaginary line... we have a phrase we say that puts an end to it... for that moment and we move on... It is also this phrase we use around others when we are ready to go or something is going/being said making us uncomfortable... We are also in a really good relationship and have long term goals where divorce is not something we will consider because of political differences... I know a lot of peas say they could not stay married to a person who is a conservative republican... i live in west texas...i am most definitely in the minority being as liberal as i am... I could not stay married to Trump supporter because if he was one, that would mean he had changed in a very fundamental way that does not align with who I am or the man I married.
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Post by artbabe on Aug 1, 2024 11:46:37 GMT
I'm not married but I have a father that votes Republican.
It is weird because he is pro LGBTQ+, has no problem with abortion, etc., but he only watches Fox and believes their bullshit.
I don't talk to him about it. I tell him I will not talk about it. I just can't get in a discussion with him because he can't get away from the Fox thing.
The problem is that he is my father, and I love him, and I need to keep him in my life so I don't engage. It isn't worth it.
I'd have a very hard time being married to someone that thought that way, though. My father, I am stuck with. I couldn't stay with a significant other. I don't even look at conservatives on my dating sites. It is a deal breaker.
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Post by pilcas on Aug 1, 2024 12:37:34 GMT
When I married many years ago I was not as aware of politics as I am now. I guess I grew up in a time where politics were not a woman’s thing. I was definitely more conservative then. Life experiences, travel, seeing that other countries can be as great as America and seeing that they are actually better when it comes to benefits for their people has certainly changed me. I guess both my husband and I grew together. I would not have been horribly upset if he had voted for Bush or McCain but if he were to vote or support the former idiot I don’t think my opinion and respect for him would be the same. All the people I know who support Trump are angry people, many of them are privileged and live well yet they become so angry at the thought that someone else is getting some benefit that they are not. And them some of them are religious people yet they they are happy to deny people healthcare. I don’t know what I would do in a situation like the OP described.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 1, 2024 12:48:13 GMT
I find that if I try to figure out his underlying reasoning behind certain issues then it is easier for me to understand him. I feel like there is an unacknowledged barrier between us right now that I would like to breach. I'd start with those 2 sentences. I'm trying to understand your point of view on this. I feel it's a barrier between us and I'd like to breach it. as someone who also has an opposite political view from her DH this is where I would go. It's not about the fact that he's politically opposite from you, it's about the fact that you feel there's a wall between you because of it that you need to address. I think this approach makes sense. The other thing I want to say is that it's worth reflecting on what you have said when you ask those questions and get the response. You said that your husband tends to try to make you feel uneducated when you talk about politics and that he has provided for your family for many years. Is the issue you are handling here that you have differing views, or that he feels his views are more educated and entitled to more weight (for whatever reasons, but your phrasing made it sound, perhaps unintentionally, that part of this relates to his financial support for the family). Because I think that is a different issue than having differing political views.
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 1, 2024 12:52:35 GMT
We don't discuss it period.
Edited to add: When we were first married politics wasn't even in our vocabulary. And really wasn't for the majority of our lives. I voted for who I liked and he wasn't registered nor did he care. Somewhere along the lines he would start complaining about little things and I said you have no room to complain because you don't even vote. So then at some point he registered. Still wasn't a thing in our marriage.
I swear the breaking point was Trump. He has not only divided the country he's made people's personal lives divided.
I truly believe in our country you should be able to vote for whoever you want to without prejudice. (which these days is hard considering who is running). So in our house, a little bit said here and there is all that is said because my threshold is right there and I immediately start fuming when he attempts to justify Trump. Although he says less and less about him. We (me and kids) are hopefully turning him around.. SLOWLY.. lol
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Post by Merge on Aug 1, 2024 12:52:45 GMT
I'm fortunate that my Republican husband has become disgusted with what the Republican party has become. He won’t vote for any current Republicans except maybe at the hyper local level.
The problem is that he also won’t vote for most Democrats, which in Texas is tantamount to handing your vote to the Republican. No, he can’t articulate what he finds wrong with the Democratic candidates, which is why I get frustrated with people here who say “I just don’t like her” or “I just don’t think she’s qualified” without any details as to why.
We talk about the things we agree about and mostly leave the rest of it alone. Like someone else said upthread, we have long term goals for our marriage. We agree on leaving Texas and moving to a more purple state and/or spending more time overseas. I have to be ok with that for now.
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Post by peano on Aug 1, 2024 13:45:06 GMT
My DH isn't a registered Republican but his political views leaned that way when I first met him. When T was first elected, DH was among the throng saying "let's just give him a chance" to my disgust, having no difficulty seeing through his stupidity, lies, cruelty and chaos. We stopped talking about politics, because DH's love of playing devil's advocate sent me over the edge. As time has passed, DH now sees T as the living shit show he is and we are definitely on the same page.
My father is a Fox junkie and even though he was always socially liberal, he voted his business interests. And he has bought into the Fox agenda that millions of black and brown people are converging on the US to start a campaign of crime and destruction.
We have agreed to disagree on politics and to not discuss them, even though sometimes he'll try to bait me.
None of this really answers your question, but I've found that time has worn down my edges a little bit, and I've backed off my political fervor, just for my own health and peace of mind. It was literally causing me health problems. I've learned to be less reactive and to realize I don't have to discuss politics with everyone, especially if it's going to be divisive.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 1, 2024 13:53:07 GMT
I'm divorced for other reasons. If I was still married in trump time I think that I'd divorce for new reasons. Especially with children affected by the orange plague, one part of the LGBTQI+ community. You come for my kids, nope. Not that xdh would come for the kids but to support someone/party that would, nope. Probably couldn't take it even without kids, but they'd definitely fast forward the "nope".
I've said it often, if I hadn't divorced then, I would have later.
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Post by ilikepink on Aug 1, 2024 14:07:32 GMT
I had a male bff who when we met, didn’t vote or give a hoot about politics. As others have said, I told him you can’t complain. Then “he” happened and bff started paying attention. Every conversation became an argument; he tried to make me feel stupid bc I didn’t have the nitty gritty details about an event/topic. Then would kitchen sink any topic to be able to broaden the insults to me. We eventually agreed to not discuss politics. He has now found a gf who shares his thinking, and we are not as close. The one thing we agreed on is how can someone I care so much about have such stupid opinions?
Set ground rules and good luck.
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Post by anaterra on Aug 1, 2024 14:14:53 GMT
Zee i can understand your point... in our marriage I am the one who changed... i used to be considerably more conservative... I can probably name on 1 hand people who are NOT trump supporters... most everyone I work with, most of my family, most of my friends.... I feel like the lone blue dot in my sea of red
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Post by scrapngranny on Aug 1, 2024 14:36:14 GMT
I could not, would not stay married to a Trump supporter.
Being a Trump supporter says too much about their overall character and views on right and wrong.
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Post by naby64 on Aug 1, 2024 14:46:02 GMT
Zee i can understand your point... in our marriage I am the one who changed... i used to be considerably more conservative... I can probably name on 1 hand people who are NOT trump supporters... most everyone I work with, most of my family, most of my friends.... I feel like the lone blue dot in my sea of red We don't discuss it period. Edited to add: When we were first married politics wasn't even in our vocabulary. And really wasn't for the majority of our lives. I voted for who I liked and he wasn't registered nor did he care. Somewhere along the lines he would start complaining about little things and I said you have no room to complain because you don't even vote. So then at some point he registered. Still wasn't a thing in our marriage. I swear the breaking point was Trump. He has not only divided the country he's made people's personal lives divided. I truly believe in our country you should be able to vote for whoever you want to without prejudice. (which these days is hard considering who is running). So in our house, a little bit said here and there is all that is said because my threshold is right there and I immediately start fuming when he attempts to justify Trump. Although he says less and less about him. We (me and kids) are hopefully turning him around.. SLOWLY.. lol You both have said pretty much what I would have typed so I am quoting you. My DD is a staunch Democrat. Very liberal on social issues. And she is pretty pissed off right now. To the point, where she tries not to have conversations with her father. She's got the facts, he thinks he has them. She shreds his argument every time. So there is no talk. 2 sons, neither of them vote but they both lean opposite. My mother, lord don't get me started. We just don't talk about politics. He hates Trump with all he says but there is the "what about" they all use. I have been married almost 39 years. Been through a lot with that man. There is still a shred of who I married there and that part I still love.
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Post by Katie on Aug 1, 2024 14:55:25 GMT
We are on opposite sides, and I hate it. Like others who have mentioned here, we never used to talk politics when we first got married. We knew we were both Democrats, and we both had zero interest in politics. Over time though, DH started to feel more strongly about his money and who might be getting it. He had a close acquaintance years ago who was/is just a deadbeat…getting medical assistance and working the system to get all the free handouts he can. It really angered him and made him pay closer attention to politics overall. THEN he became a truck driver and I swear they are all conservatives and he suddenly was surrounded by them. Uggghhh, did I mention how much I hate it?!
He thinks Trump is the only one who can save the country. He wants to keep immigrants out, wants us to stop giving money to fight other wars, and he wants us to stop giving our tax money to lazy people. He is pro LGBTQ and pro reproductive rights (for the most part).
In the past, we felt it was best to not talk politics at all, because it just made us frustrated. But lately we have been trying to have more open dialogue about how we are feeling about current issues. We have managed to stay completely civil, but I’m getting resentful that I’m put in a position where I have to stay completely current on things and have to have my data to support my feelings and opinions. I have never been one to stay current on political happenings, and it’s really not an interest of mine still, but here I am having to research things every day so if he questions me on some thing, I can have more information.
His parents are political opposites and they do not talk about politics at all. He loves that he and his Dad both love Trump. My brother and SIL used to love Trump until he handled Covid so horribly.
Sorry, I am rambling. I just want the OP know she is not alone. We’ve been married 29 years, and I feel we can survive this. BUT - if he starts to go off the deep end with his love of Trump, I will have to think long and hard if I can stay.
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Post by edie3 on Aug 1, 2024 14:59:54 GMT
Being a Trump supporter says too much about their overall character and views on right and wrong This is what I have the hardest time with. My DH is a wonderful husband, father and friend. How he can support trump is beyond me. One saving grace I tell myself is one of our DS is very much like me politically and votes like me. So DH and I cancel out each others votes, and our DS's vote is a win.
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Post by breetheflea on Aug 1, 2024 15:01:09 GMT
My DH isn't a registered Republican but his political views leaned that way when I first met him. When T was first elected, DH was among the throng saying "let's just give him a chance" to my disgust, having no difficulty seeing through his stupidity, lies, cruelty and chaos. We stopped talking about politics, because DH's love of playing devil's advocate sent me over the edge. As time has passed, DH now sees T as the living shit show he is and we are definitely on the same page. My father is a Fox junkie and even though he was always socially liberal, he voted his business interests. And he has bought into the Fox agenda that millions of black and brown people are converging on the US to start a campaign of crime and destruction. We have agreed to disagree on politics and to not discuss them, even though sometimes he'll try to bait me. None of this really answers your question, but I've found that time has worn down my edges a little bit, and I've backed off my political fervor, just for my own health and peace of mind. It was literally causing me health problems. I've learned to be less reactive and to realize I don't have to discuss politics with everyone, especially if it's going to be divisive. DH does the devil's advocate thing with everything too. He didn't vote for Trump, but he's blamed some of the moronic things Trump has said on the media taking things out of context. I am hopeful that if Harris picks the right VP DH will do the unthinkable and vote for a Democrat, but who knows. I try not to discuss politics, but the man can turn any subject into a political discussion.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 1, 2024 15:28:34 GMT
I think when you have political disagreements the most important part is discussing things with respect, so if he's making you feel uneducated that would be a huge issue for me. My husband, and frankly I, care passionately about the economic health of the country and are in general pro-state rights and believe that smaller government is better. HOWEVER that does not make either of us a Trump supporter. I disliked him immediately and he and the Republican party have done nothing but drive me further away.
We did have some discussion way back in 2015/2016, but the big bright line was the pussy tape. I bluntly told my husband that if he could look me and my daughter in the eye and justify voting for someone who grabs women by the pussy, I wanted to hear it. He pulled the lever for Biden. Most of his die hard family stopped supporting him - so I honestly don't know anyone in real life who is a Trump supporter.
I have zero issue with someone who wants to debate whether a particular economic program or tax policy is beneficial or will do more harm than good. I can debate whether some policies should be handled at the state level vs federal. I can debate foreign policy and how much money and American lives we should risk. I'm not debating whether a pathological liar, amoral, egomaniac, senile, imbecile should be running for dog catcher let alone president of the United States of America.
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Post by pilcas on Aug 1, 2024 16:12:39 GMT
I could not, would not stay married to a Trump supporter. Being a Trump supporter says too much about their overall character and views on right and wrong. A gree 100%. I don’t have that issue with my family but sometimes I meet new people and if I see they are Trump admirers I have no desire to interact with them
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 1, 2024 16:15:06 GMT
My husband belongs to the same political party. I have had friends who were/are Republican. I have no problem remaining friends and we would usually just avoid political discussions. I honestly could not be married to someone who supports Trump. I don't think I could even remain friends with someone who supports racism.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 1, 2024 16:34:42 GMT
In our younger years, both of us were pretty middle of the road politically and back then it was easier to vote one way or the other for an individual person based on their policies and proposed agenda. In the years since, DH has skewed more toward the right in terms of economic policy but was still fairly liberal in terms of social policy. A lot of his friends are diehard Trump humpers so he hears a lot of the repeated nonsense that Fox, OANN, etc. spew because his friends parrot that crap nonstop. He would bring some of that home and I’d have to set him straight, pointing him to other articles and sources that are more neutral and fact based. When Trump came on the scene, DH was pretty fed up with both parties and I think he cast what was a protest vote for Trump not thinking he would actually win (he didn’t win our state). I was already repulsed by so much of what Trump said and did before he got elected and was positively apoplectic with all of the lies and things he did after he was elected. I’m sure I was annoying to DH but whenever Trump did or said something that made the headlines, I made sure to point out just how wrong all of it was. When they pushed through their last SCOTUS judge, that was it and I just knew things were going to go even further south and they did. I made sure that DH realized just how bad all of this was going to be for our kid, and how unfair it is for her to be growing up with fewer rights than we had at her age. I really hammered that point home until he understood that for her, this comes down to an existential battle for her rights as a female. She is our only child and she means the world to him, so for her sake he has come around. In the last midterms he flat out told me, “Just tell me who to vote for. I know you’ve already done all the research.”
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Post by gramma on Aug 1, 2024 17:01:41 GMT
In my situation my DH and I were on the same page politically. Now he has passed and I am the lone Democrat in a nest of Republicans. I try to separate my total disgust for Trump from my political opinions. I've always thought he was an entitled, cheating, lying, mean spirited SOB. He's like a pig outfitted in a dress. And I think he is dangerous with his pandering to the crazies. And I will never understand the Billy Bush pussy conversation. Billy Bush was fired and Trump became president.
So - I hope Kamala can gather enough support, withstand his BS attacks on her personally and pound him into the sand. She is articulate and smart puts up with no nonsense.
Can you tell that in my family we don't discuss politics?
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Post by librarylady on Aug 1, 2024 17:17:24 GMT
The extremists have caused so much change in our nation (perhaps the world) with views and actions etc. I considered myself independent voter and paid more attention to what the candidate was saying about issues rather than party. Eventually things began to change and I considered myself a D while DH maintained that he was a Republican. When GWBush was running, I asked DH, "Why do you say you are Republican when you align with Ds on these issues?" I listed a lot of things--and I think DH was truly surprised that he was aligning more with Ds. At that time, our community was very R. After that he quit calling himself a Republican.
We never argued about political things. When we knew we disagreed, we just left those topics alone.
I really could not be married to someone who supports DT. It is a concern about honesty, integrity and character. Donald Trump has no redeeming qualities that I can identify. How he is even considered, by some, to be qualified for POTUS is beyond my comprehension.
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Post by pilcas on Aug 1, 2024 17:54:54 GMT
I was a registered Independent until TFG became president. I then changed to Democrat as I will never vote for the party that decided this man represents them.
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Post by TXMary on Aug 1, 2024 18:06:05 GMT
I'm a lifelong Democrat raised by lifelong Democrats. DH was more Republican when we met and married almost 40 years ago from a staunch Republican west Texas family. He's more of an independent now. And thankfully he despises DT and would never vote for him. But he wasn't going to vote for Biden and he won't vote for Kamala now. He has voted democrat in presidential elections before. He voted for Obama and Hillary and Biden the first time. He says he's disgusted with all of them and doesn't trust any of them. He's fairly socially liberal but he votes based on the economy. He does usually vote Republican in local elections but he's disgusted with what the Republican party has become. But he thinks the Democrats are just as bad.
Our conversations about it can get heated sometimes and often we just don't discuss it. He's come a long way but I really hope he doesn't just not vote for President. I can't make him understand that's a vote for Trump.
If he was a Trump supporter, I don't think I could stay married to him. That's not about politics. That's about morals and values.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 1, 2024 18:07:11 GMT
I've been pretty open about my marriage and our opposite political views. We got married when I was 24. I had no clue about politics back then. you just never talked about things like that. Like I've told him. at 24 I would have married you, at 30 no. But here we are, and we somehow make it work. Every time I see someone say, I could never stay married to someone...I winch. you don't know until you are in that situation. You don't know. Thank goodness my dh did NOT develop in to a trump lover, but he is very much a republican. Mainly in terms of the economics, immigration and taxes part. he is pro choice, pro LGBT. Yes, we have gotten in to some heated discussions, but nothing that would cause me to say..we are done. Now his friends...and family. UGH. It's hard biting my tongue sometime. He has 2 good friends that are very republican, trump lovin, and boy do I get in to heated discussions with them, and somehow we all still have a good friend relationship. I love to debate. I love to learn new things about each party. and Yes, it does keep me on my toes keeping up to date with things. but I like that. They have brought up good points too. Some points I understand. It's good to look at both sides sometimes. I think we as democrats sometimes get just as bad as the republicans with only believing in what we believe. It goes both ways.
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Post by lisae on Aug 1, 2024 18:51:31 GMT
I also have a husband who is registered Republican. He never liked Trump. We laughed about how absurd he was all through 2016 until it became a possibility that our state might go for Trump, which it did. He would have never voted for a Clinton in a million years. Now fortunately, he is also disgusted with Trump and with his party's nominee for Governor in our state. He's looking around for 3rd party candidates. While many think this is throwing your vote away, it actually gains a vote for Democrats in our state because we used to just cancel each other out.
During the 90's we could not talk politics because he hated the Clintons so much. Then we had 16 years where we had very civilized discussions. During the last 8 years, we have talked about politics some. When one of us starts to push the other too far, we back off. We do have common ground on social issues at least which helps. (And BTW, all these Republicans who are worried about their money need to take a close look at the policies of their party.) Since he has sworn off Trump, we've had a lot more common ground and some interesting discussions about all the drama of this election.
I think it is important to know whether you want to talk politics with your husband because you really want to understand him and that is all. Or are you looking for a way to change him? I'm guessing you wouldn't want him trying to change your mind. I live in an area where nearly 80% of the people voted for Trump in the last 2 elections. I don't expect much change this time around either. I have my little circle of people who think like I do and that helps to have somewhere to discuss my views.
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Post by worrywart on Aug 2, 2024 2:33:42 GMT
Maybe talk about how you each feel about individual issues. He may find that he has more in common with you than he thought.
I think a Republican and Democrat can make it work with good communication, however it is the MAGA republicans that have no regard for others beliefs or for basic human rights, that would be harder to deal with unless you see that they are softening and changing.
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Post by paget on Aug 2, 2024 3:07:11 GMT
When dh and I married we were both republicans. Ever since Trump, I am not. My dh was watching Fox News back when trump was president- I think he liked the not your typical politician vibe - but he also didn’t ever seem to know anything bad trump said/did and wouldn’t believe me when I’d mention it or would have an excuse or cite something from fox about how it was a lie. I said he could not watch fox in my presence and by the time trump lost to Biden he had lost interest in politics and trump. Fast forward to now, I continue to be vocal about my feeling about trump and republicans local BS. And he said today he wasn’t going to vote for him so I consider that a major win.
It’s interesting, I don’t think he supports any actual republican policies, he just has always loved a conspiracy theory and I think Fox News played to that and it was the evil democrats and they weren’t going to fool him!
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