breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Aug 11, 2024 13:50:07 GMT
I hate how the headlines are she was 'stripped of her medal,' like she did something wrong.
Was that the event where the announcer (woman could not stop talking about Simone Biles) was almost crying when they won?
We've been watching but are using Paramount + so our viewing is way behind, out of order.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 11, 2024 13:58:14 GMT
I don't know if this is true or not I was just reading some comments on an article that said that there are different time limits for the last competitor. They have less time to appeal. That in itself seems ridiculous. Does anyone know if that is correct or not?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 11, 2024 15:34:37 GMT
What a fiasco. Not sure this could have been handled any worse. I feel sorry for the athletes.
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Post by katlady on Aug 11, 2024 17:10:19 GMT
I guess the Romanian Olympic committee did think about all 3 girls. "While the Romanian Olympic committee requested that the podium be amended by "placing all three athletes in 3rd position and the allocation of medals to all three athletes," this did not occur as Chiles was requested to return her bronze and it would be given to Barbosu only."www.yahoo.com/why-controversy-over-jordan-chiles-190223013.html
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Post by KiwiJo on Aug 11, 2024 17:28:19 GMT
Asking for both of them to get the medal ignores the fact that Jordan is now placed fifth, what do they do with the girl who is now fourth? From an article in The Gaurdian : “The Romanian gymnastics federation has asked for three bronze medals to be awarded.” which seems ridiculous, but really I think it’s the only way out of this. That way both Jordan and Ana could have the bronzes they have earned/were awarded and the equally innocent woman in the middle is not disadvantaged. It seems to me to be the only way to end this fiasco with any sort of dignity. All 3 of them are equal victims. i do think it is unfair of people to be saying “the Romanians” have been attacking Jordan - it makes it sound like the Romanian gymnastics people have been doing that and as far as I have seen they have been anything but. They have been standing behind their athlete, just as any country’s sporting officials should, and at the same time have been supportive of and sympathetic towards Jordan. Some of the Romanian public have been mean and have been joined by some people from other countries too, in posting awful comments on social media, but let’s not imply that the Romanian Olympic gymnastics people are involved.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2024 17:45:43 GMT
Asking for both of them to get the medal ignores the fact that Jordan is now placed fifth, what do they do with the girl who is now fourth? From an article in The Gaurdian : “The Romanian gymnastics federation has asked for three bronze medals to be awarded.” which seems ridiculous, but really I think it’s the only way out of this. That way both Jordan and Ana could have the bronzes they have earned/were awarded and the equally innocent woman in the middle is not disadvantaged. It seems to me to be the only way to end this fiasco with any sort of dignity. All 3 of them are equal victims. i do think it is unfair of people to be saying “the Romanians” have been attacking Jordan - it makes it sound like the Romanian gymnastics people have been doing that and as far as I have seen they have been anything but. They have been standing behind their athlete, just as any country’s sporting officials should, and at the same time have been supportive of and sympathetic towards Jordan. Some of the Romanian public have been mean and have been joined by some people from other countries too, in posting awful comments on social media, but let’s not imply that the Romanian Olympic gymnastics people are involved. Are the citizens of Romania not Romanians? Nobody said it was the athletes themselves saying negative things.
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Post by KiwiJo on Aug 11, 2024 19:15:02 GMT
From an article in The Gaurdian : “The Romanian gymnastics federation has asked for three bronze medals to be awarded.” which seems ridiculous, but really I think it’s the only way out of this. That way both Jordan and Ana could have the bronzes they have earned/were awarded and the equally innocent woman in the middle is not disadvantaged. It seems to me to be the only way to end this fiasco with any sort of dignity. All 3 of them are equal victims. i do think it is unfair of people to be saying “the Romanians” have been attacking Jordan - it makes it sound like the Romanian gymnastics people have been doing that and as far as I have seen they have been anything but. They have been standing behind their athlete, just as any country’s sporting officials should, and at the same time have been supportive of and sympathetic towards Jordan. Some of the Romanian public have been mean and have been joined by some people from other countries too, in posting awful comments on social media, but let’s not imply that the Romanian Olympic gymnastics people are involved. Are the citizens of Romania not Romanians? Nobody said it was the athletes themselves saying negative things. Of course they are, and I agree that absolutely no-one here has said anything negative about the athletes. However the thread started by using “the Romanians” to refer to the Romanian gymnastic officials (and nothing wrong with that of course, how else would they be referred to) and so then when others talk about “the Romanians” saying awful things about the American team and athletes it sounds as though they are still referring to the Romanian Olympic officials. Look, I am obviously a ‘third-party’ in this, belonging to neither country; I am just trying to be fair to both sides. The officials from both countries have been standing behind their own athletes, as they should, the athletes from both countries have been terribly hard done by, neither country has done anything wrong - all negativity should be directed to the judges and officials who created all this. If they had only said at the outset that they had stuffed up and that there would be 3 bronze medals in an effort to be fair to everyone, the whole disaster would have been mitigated.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 11, 2024 21:37:21 GMT
USA gymnastics just posted a thing saying that they have proof that they submitted their challenge at 47 seconds and they are asking for Jordan Chiles' medal be restored.
What an effing mess.
And the other contestants have four minutes to file an appeal the final contestant only has one minute I don't understand why that is.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 11, 2024 21:38:27 GMT
And I think it is ridiculous the IOC is refusing to award two bronze medals or let them share the medal which both of the gymnast agreed to and want to do.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2024 21:44:10 GMT
So did the US even get a chance to be part of the discussion of when they submitted the request for review? This is so messed up.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 12, 2024 4:48:37 GMT
Jordan made a statement: "I am taking this time and removing myself from social media for my mental health thank you," Jordan said in a statement posted to her IG story. UPDATE: Ana has also posted her own statement regarding the reversal on her IG Story: "Sabrina, Jordan, my thoughts are with you, I know what you are feeling, because I've been through the same. But I know you'll come back stronger. I hope from deep of my heart that at the next Olympics, all three of us will share the same podium. This is my true dream! This situation would not have existed if the persons in charge had respected the regulation. We, athletes are not to be blamed, and the hate directed to us is painful. I wanted to end this edition of the Olympic Games Paris 2024 in the spirit of Olympism, the true value of the world." www.buzzfeed.com/larryfitzmaurice/jordan-chiles-bronze-medal-stripped-statement
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 12, 2024 6:07:52 GMT
USA gymnastics just posted a thing saying that they have proof that they submitted their challenge at 47 seconds and they are asking for Jordan Chiles' medal be restored. What an effing mess. And the other contestants have four minutes to file an appeal the final contestant only has one minute I don't understand why that is. I saw that and I wonder if that clears things up and if the medal will stand. I too felt bad for the other woman but was happy to see Chiles win. This back and forth is crazy and unprofessional by the judges how could they not know when the inquiry came in vs when the score was announced.
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Post by katlady on Aug 12, 2024 22:20:19 GMT
The court of appeal is not going to look at the new video evidence (47 second video): "USA Gymnastics was notified by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) on Monday that their rules do not allow for an arbitral award to be reconsidered even when conclusive new evidence is presented," the governing body for gymnastics in the U.S. said in a statement. 😢 sports.yahoo.com/court-wont-hear-appeal-jordan-212500450.html
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 12, 2024 22:40:38 GMT
That sucks.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 12, 2024 23:38:16 GMT
I also just heard on the news that the Romanian prime minister had threatened to boycott the closing ceremonies if Ana wasn't given the medal. I wonder how much that affected their decision.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2024 0:21:24 GMT
I also just heard on the news that the Romanian prime minister had threatened to boycott the closing ceremonies if Ana wasn't given the medal. I wonder how much that affected their decision. If true, shame on Romania!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 13, 2024 0:59:04 GMT
I also just heard on the news that the Romanian prime minister had threatened to boycott the closing ceremonies if Ana wasn't given the medal. I wonder how much that affected their decision. If true, shame on Romania! I heard it on CNN. I looked on the IG page of their Prime Minister and I do believe it is true. His most recent post (translated on the IG app): "Justice has been served! We managed to get, in front of the sports court, the bronze medal that Ana Maria Bărbosu won on ground merit! Bravo, Ana Maria, this is the natural reward of a performance for which you have worked for so many years! I'm glad that, in the end, the truth prevailed, as it should be in a competition that is based on the values of Olympism. There remains a shadow of sadness because Sabrina Voinea does not benefit from the same decision, as it used to be. But for me and I think that for every Romanian, Sabrina remains a winner! Because through all her dignified and beautiful attitude she demonstrated to the whole world that the Romanians are aware of their value and that they know how to fight for it! I think this is an important lesson our Olympic gymnasts pass on to us - to never give up fighting when we know we're right! Here is a post about skipping the closing ceremonies: I decided not to attend the closing ceremony of the Paris Olympics, following the scandalous situation in the gymnastics, where our athletes were treated in an absolutely dishonorable manner. To withdraw a medal earned for honest work on the basis of an appeal, which neither the coaches nor the top technicians understand, is totally unacceptable!" "It is unacceptable that, in such a grand competition that promotes values such as respect, understanding and excellence, a child who had honestly earned her medal to be brutally deprived of the result of her work for four years! I couldn't look at her tears and accept calmly that something like this is perfectly normal! And the fact that hundreds of millions of viewers from all over the world remained, like us Romanians, literally shocked by this terrible scene, shows that somewhere, in the system of organizing this competition, something is wrong. I remember very well how, in communism, the Russians would steal from us at the Olympics, and we would try to argue with them with no chance of winning. I do not want to argue with anyone today, but I only choose to protest through my gesture against a blatant injustice to some Romanians who have fully proven their worth! Sabrina and Ana Maria, you have with you an entire nation for which your work and tears are more precious than any medal, no matter what precious metal it is! And I assure you that the Romanian state will treat you, including in terms of the prizes, like Olympic medalists. Because that's what you are for all of us!" He clearly does not seem to understand what actually happened, similar to many of the citizens who keep saying that Jordan "stole" the medal from Ana.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 13, 2024 1:26:21 GMT
Asking for both of them to get the medal ignores the fact that Jordan is now placed fifth, what do they do with the girl who is now fourth? The fact is Jordan didn't really score 5th. It was a judge's error that lowered her score. I haven't seen anything saying that the Romanian should have gotten more points than Jordan, Just that the score shouldn't have been increased because the appeal was filed for seconds too late. If I'm wrong, please let me know. This is all very confusing and I find it very ridiculous. But if it wasn’t really late she was robbed. I just can’t believe that they didn’t keep better records or am I missing something, that’s entirely possible. If there is video evidence why didn’t the judges know that without the time stamped video that they tried to present. You would think they would think after one mistake they would be more careful. Now there will always be this hanging over this medal. I feel so bad for all of the women involved.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2024 3:11:29 GMT
This whole thing has become a disaster! Romanian gymnast Sabrina Voinea is taking a stand. After being denied a chance to win a bronze medal in the gymnastics floor final on Monday, the 17-year-old has decided to take drastic measures to send her message across. According to a statement released by the official Olympic committee of Romania, Voinea has decided to 'give up' on gymnastics after the judges denied her appeal to have her final score overturned. Whether or not her decision to 'give up' on the sport is permanent is unknown at this time. athlonsports.com/olympics/romanian-gymnast-quitting-sport-jordan-chiles-controversy-olympics-sabrina-voinea
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 13, 2024 3:43:41 GMT
I'm curious how the CAS determined that it was 64 seconds before the US requested an inquiry, when the US has video that they requested at 47 and 55 seconds.
I am also curious as to what type of inquiry Sabrina's coaches put in and when. People are talking about her not going out of bounds, but in one comment I read they said that the people on TV said that her toe triggered the sensor, which I could see happening based on the video. I don't know what the rules are with that, though.
From what I can see, Jordan's coaches did nothing wrong and even if they were 4 seconds late, the judges accepted the inquiry at the time and that needs to stand. That being said, I don't know why the IOC is adamant about not giving both girls a medal (or maybe all three depending on the scoring issues with Sabrina) and just being done with it.
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 13, 2024 10:07:11 GMT
Flavor Flav posted on Twitter that he was going to make Jordan a Bronze Clock necklace and, true to his word, he posted the video of the completed product. At this point, she might rather have that hanging up in her house after all is said and done. I can't imagine the emotional roller coaster she's been on.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 14, 2024 0:39:19 GMT
I'm curious how the CAS determined that it was 64 seconds before the US requested an inquiry, when the US has video that they requested at 47 and 55 seconds. I am also curious as to what type of inquiry Sabrina's coaches put in and when. People are talking about her not going out of bounds, but in one comment I read they said that the people on TV said that her toe triggered the sensor, which I could see happening based on the video. I don't know what the rules are with that, though. From what I can see, Jordan's coaches did nothing wrong and even if they were 4 seconds late, the judges accepted the inquiry at the time and that needs to stand. That being said, I don't know why the IOC is adamant about not giving both girls a medal (or maybe all three depending on the scoring issues with Sabrina) and just being done with it. That was my thinking as well why didn’t they know it was late or not when they accepted it but days later determine it was 4 seconds late. Especially since there were two inquiries from the coaches. It really takes away any legitimacy to their scoring. I know mistakes happen but this seems beyond that.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 14, 2024 1:22:38 GMT
I'm curious how the CAS determined that it was 64 seconds before the US requested an inquiry, when the US has video that they requested at 47 and 55 seconds. I am also curious as to what type of inquiry Sabrina's coaches put in and when. People are talking about her not going out of bounds, but in one comment I read they said that the people on TV said that her toe triggered the sensor, which I could see happening based on the video. I don't know what the rules are with that, though. From what I can see, Jordan's coaches did nothing wrong and even if they were 4 seconds late, the judges accepted the inquiry at the time and that needs to stand. That being said, I don't know why the IOC is adamant about not giving both girls a medal (or maybe all three depending on the scoring issues with Sabrina) and just being done with it. That was my thinking as well why didn’t they know it was late or not when they accepted it but days later determine it was 4 seconds late. Especially since there were two inquiries from the coaches. It really takes away any legitimacy to their scoring. I know mistakes happen but this seems beyond that. And the USA has proof that it wasn't late. The IOC or whoever it is are lying. It was submitted at 47 seconds.
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Post by katlady on Aug 14, 2024 2:28:32 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 14, 2024 2:33:40 GMT
Not just a panel member, but the HEAD panel member!!
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Post by librarylady on Aug 14, 2024 2:40:31 GMT
What a mess!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 14, 2024 3:00:04 GMT
That article also says that the CAS notified the wrong US officials of the hearing. I wonder if that was done on purpose.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 14, 2024 14:28:01 GMT
This popped up this morning… ABC News… ”New documents have revealed that the head of the panel that overturned a review of Jordan Chiles' Olympic medal, forcing her to give the bronze to Romanian gymnast Ana Bărbosu, has represented Romanian interests for years.” At this point if I was Ana Barbosa I would refuse to accept the medal. x.com/abc/status/1823723808701747274?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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