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Post by katlady on Aug 6, 2024 15:48:13 GMT
I didn’t want to hijack the balance beam thread.
I love how Biles and Chiles honored Rebeca on the medal platform! Such sportsmanship! And Rebeca overcame so many obstacles to get where she is. Amazing young lady!!
Now, a couple of “IFS”. - What if Simone had only stepped out of bounds just once and not twice. She would have had gold. - What if the coach for the 2nd Romanian girl had challenged her out of bounds deduction. She would have gotten Bronze. - What if Chiles’ coach had not challenged her points. She wouldn’t have gotten Bronze.
My heart broke for the Romanian that thought she had Bronze. But I also started tearing up when I saw Chiles’ reaction to winning bronze.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 6, 2024 16:31:23 GMT
I don't think there was any basis to challenge the out of bounds deduction. The challenge for Chiles was based on the fact that her difficulty level was too low. I felt sad for the gymnast who thought she had won bronze. That is heartbreaking. I loved seeing Chiles reaction to winning. And Biles reaction as well. The two of them bowing to the winner was beautiful.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Aug 6, 2024 16:34:58 GMT
The commentators replayed it in slow-mo and her heel didn't touch out of bounds. I do wonder why her coach didn't challenge it.
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Post by katlady on Aug 6, 2024 16:40:04 GMT
I don't think there was any basis to challenge the out of bounds deduction. There are people who were saying they could have challenged it. You can't change the execution score, but you can challenge the difficulty score (which is what Chiles' team did), and the deductions. I heard the rules, which is interesting. You have one minute from the time the score is posted to challenge. The judges must decide within 4 minutes. If you lose the challenge, you have to pay something equivalent to about $300. You can challenge more than once, and each time the amount you have to pay if you lose goes up. Of course, the gymnast's score can also go down after a challenge. Chiles was in 5th place so they felt like they had nothing to lose. I also read that the men's team challenged twice, and lost both of those challenges.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 6, 2024 16:44:09 GMT
The commentators replayed it in slow-mo and her heel didn't touch out of bounds. I do wonder why her coach didn't challenge it.
Interesting. I didn't see that. Really odd they didn't challenge then.
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Post by katlady on Aug 6, 2024 16:45:58 GMT
The commentators replayed it in slow-mo and her heel didn't touch out of bounds. I do wonder why her coach didn't challenge it.
Interesting. I didn't see that. Really odd they didn't challenge then. My conspiracy theory - maybe for some reason they wanted the other Romanian to get the bronze medal, and not this girl.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 6, 2024 17:03:06 GMT
Interesting. I didn't see that. Really odd they didn't challenge then. My conspiracy theory - maybe for some reason they wanted the other Romanian to get the bronze medal, and not this girl. Could be. I forgot they were in a tie. Well it wouldn't be the Olympics if there weren't a variety of "scandals" and questioning of judging.
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Post by malibou on Aug 6, 2024 17:57:19 GMT
I thought I read that Biles stepped out 3 times. It also said that if it had been just one out of bounds, she would have had gold.
I love the bowing they did and even more I love the huge, near giggling, smiles on their face while they did it.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Aug 6, 2024 18:37:45 GMT
I thought I read that Biles stepped out 3 times. It also said that if it had been just one out of bounds, she would have had gold. I love the bowing they did and even more I love the huge, near giggling, smiles on their face while they did it. She def stepped out of bounds 2x and was SUPER close on #3. She also fell in practice, so I wonder if that was on her mind as she performed.
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Post by huskergal on Aug 6, 2024 18:49:44 GMT
I love the medal ceremony.
I was so sad for the Romanian gymnast. All the people who say only the gold medal counts need to see the reactions of these two women. Both were thrilled to win the bronze and one was devastated to lose it.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 6, 2024 19:26:51 GMT
I think that it was handled extremely poorly. I assume Chile's coaches knew immediately that there was an issue with her difficulty not reflecting the routine she performed so a challenge should have been made immediately (if it wasn't). A pending or underreview should have been shown so the poor girl from Romania wouldn't have been standing there with her flag thinking she'd won the Bronze. Just heartbreaking to watch.
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Post by katlady on Aug 6, 2024 19:32:51 GMT
I think that it was handled extremely poorly. I assume Child's coaches knew immediately that there was an issue with her difficulty not reflecting the routine she performed so a challenge should have been made immediately (if it wasn't). A pending or underreview should have been shown so the poor girl from Romania wouldn't have been standing there with her flag thinking she'd won the Bronze. Just heartbreaking to watch. I think what happens is that the score is shown first on the screens, and then the coaches have 1 minute after that to file an inquiry. So everyone see the score first. And the Romanians knew what score Chiles needed to beat their girl, and Chiles didn’t hit that so they started celebrating. It sort of like any race. People see a certain person cross the line, think they have won, and then an inquiry goes up. I feel sorry for that Romanian gymnast. It was brutal for her.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 6, 2024 21:30:16 GMT
I think that it was handled extremely poorly. I assume Child's coaches knew immediately that there was an issue with her difficulty not reflecting the routine she performed so a challenge should have been made immediately (if it wasn't). A pending or underreview should have been shown so the poor girl from Romania wouldn't have been standing there with her flag thinking she'd won the Bronze. Just heartbreaking to watch. I think what happens is that the score is shown first on the screens, and then the coaches have 1 minute after that to file an inquiry. So everyone see the score first. And the Romanians knew what score Chiles needed to beat their girl, and Chiles didn’t hit that so they started celebrating. It sort of like any race. People see a certain person cross the line, think they have won, and then an inquiry goes up. I feel sorry for that Romanian gymnast. It was brutal for her. It seemed long on the broadcast I saw, but maybe that was editing. It was brutal, and unfortunately now people are being terrible to Chiles which is just sad. The American swimmer DQ'd in the IM also had that pain. Luckily the underreview and DQ was up before she got out of the pool, but it's still rough!
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Post by katlady on Aug 6, 2024 21:36:47 GMT
It seemed long on the broadcast I saw, but maybe that was editing. It can take a while for the initial score to show up. The 1 minute clock then starts, and then the judges have 4 minutes to submit their changes, if any. Maybe that is why it seemed long. Yeah, the swimmer DQ in the IM was sad too.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Aug 6, 2024 21:39:42 GMT
I get that it’s heartbreaking for the losing gymnast, but would it have been any less heartbreaking for Chiles if she had lost because of a scoring error? It goes both ways.
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Post by katlady on Aug 7, 2024 20:31:56 GMT
I didn’t know if I should put this here or in the controversy thread. But, the Romanians have filed an appeal about the scoring, days later!
I had heard that the Romanians did file an appeal about the out of bounds deduction, it was declined. However, I heard they filed it AFTER Jordan’s appeal, which would have meant long after the 1 minute deadline.
So I guess this is not over yet.
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 7, 2024 20:36:59 GMT
I’m not feeling any sympathy for the Romanians at this point. They have been horrible in what they’ve said about Chiles. None of this is Chiles fault or of her making. The Romanians need to up their difficulty level if they want to compete with Biles, Andrade and Chiles.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 11, 2024 0:02:13 GMT
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Post by melanell on Aug 11, 2024 0:12:33 GMT
My heart broke for the Romanian that thought she had Bronze. But I also started tearing up when I saw Chiles’ reaction to winning bronze. This is why when people make a fuss over gold medals and only gold medals it baffles me. Just getting to the Olympics is an enormous accomplishment. And then to bring home a medal---is incredible! I mean I can't even imagine having what it takes to bring home a bronze medal from the Olympics--that's an amazing achievement, and I can only begin to imagine the emotions of both of these athletes in those moments.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 11, 2024 0:57:10 GMT
I saw that Jordan is taking a social media break for her health. I can't even imagine what the vitriol being directed at her must be like. It is ridiculous the way the Romanians are handling it. They could have and should have appealed the night of the event if they felt the scoring was incorrect.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 11, 2024 5:17:39 GMT
US filed 4 seconds minutes late/after the time frame to file. She had nothing to do with it! Shame on those who have attacked her, including Romania!!! U.S. gymnast Jordan Chiles was stripped of the third-place spot that earned her a bronze medal for what amounts to four seconds of pause about the difficulty value of her floor routine, the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) confirmed on Saturday. www.axios.com/2024/08/10/jordan-chiles-bronze-medal-inquiry
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Post by KiwiJo on Aug 11, 2024 5:40:18 GMT
The whole thing has been absolutely disgraceful, and both Jordan Chiles and Ana Barbosu are the victims. All pride and joy in the bronze medal have been stripped from the event, and no doubt the gold and silver medal winners are also feeling distraught about the whole event.
I feel so bad for Jordan and for Ana. They’ve said that it isn’t yet clear whether Jordan will be asked to return the medal - my god, how brutal and unfeeling can they get. On the one hand she may well (and justifiably) not want to go along with the officials in any way, but on the other hand she may feel like throwing the medal at them with all her strength. And how could Ana feel satisfied with how things have gone, how could she look on her medal with pride? Yes, both are victims here.
I do like what Ana had to say, that she has no problem with Jordan…. “I only want for everybody to be fair, we don’t want to start picking on other athletes of any nationality,” Barbosu told reporters. “We as athletes don’t deserve something like that, we only want to perform as best as we can and to be rewarded based on our performance. The problems lie with the judges, with their calculations and decisions.”
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Post by MichyM on Aug 11, 2024 5:48:38 GMT
US filed 4 minutes late/after the time frame to file. She had nothing to do with it! Shame on those who have attacked her, including Romania!!! U.S. gymnast Jordan Chiles was stripped of the third-place spot that earned her a bronze medal for what amounts to four seconds of pause about the difficulty value of her floor routine, the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) confirmed on Saturday. www.axios.com/2024/08/10/jordan-chiles-bronze-medal-inquiryFour SECONDS. Not minutes.
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Post by katlady on Aug 11, 2024 6:02:08 GMT
US filed 4 minutes late/after the time frame to file. She had nothing to do with it! Shame on those who have attacked her, including Romania!!! U.S. gymnast Jordan Chiles was stripped of the third-place spot that earned her a bronze medal for what amounts to four seconds of pause about the difficulty value of her floor routine, the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) confirmed on Saturday. www.axios.com/2024/08/10/jordan-chiles-bronze-medal-inquiryFour SECONDS. Not minutes. That makes more sense. I was wondering why they would accept their filing 4 MINUTES late.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 11, 2024 6:10:48 GMT
US filed 4 minutes late/after the time frame to file. She had nothing to do with it! Shame on those who have attacked her, including Romania!!! U.S. gymnast Jordan Chiles was stripped of the third-place spot that earned her a bronze medal for what amounts to four seconds of pause about the difficulty value of her floor routine, the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) confirmed on Saturday. www.axios.com/2024/08/10/jordan-chiles-bronze-medal-inquiryFour SECONDS. Not minutes. Corrected, thanks..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 11, 2024 6:11:15 GMT
Four SECONDS. Not minutes. That makes more sense. I was wondering why they would accept their filing 4 MINUTES late. Corrected.
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Post by katlady on Aug 11, 2024 6:15:18 GMT
Here is my late night rambling on this … What a terrible situation for Jordan. None of it was her fault, or the other gymnast fault. 4 lousy seconds. Maybe there was a traffic jam getting to the judges table, maybe the coach writes slow, maybe maybe maybe. Yeah, rules are rules. As for returning the medal, if I lost a medal standing, I don’t know if I would want to look at that thing again. It would just bring up a bunch of bad memories. I blame the judges. If the inquiry was late, why did they accept it and review it?? Sigh!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2024 11:16:44 GMT
This whole situation is a mess. The Romanians have been really nasty to Jordan on social media, hence why she took the social media break. I personally think it’s in poor taste for the Romanians to appeal the decision after the fact. It was four seconds, and I read that part of that was because the judges ignored the coaches at first. Does Barbaso actually think she earned that medal at this point? This was the judges fault and if anything they should have given both of them the medal.
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Post by wellway on Aug 11, 2024 12:19:30 GMT
Asking for both of them to get the medal ignores the fact that Jordan is now placed fifth, what do they do with the girl who is now fourth?
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 11, 2024 13:37:02 GMT
Asking for both of them to get the medal ignores the fact that Jordan is now placed fifth, what do they do with the girl who is now fourth? The fact is Jordan didn't really score 5th. It was a judge's error that lowered her score. I haven't seen anything saying that the Romanian should have gotten more points than Jordan, Just that the score shouldn't have been increased because the appeal was filed for seconds too late. If I'm wrong, please let me know. This is all very confusing and I find it very ridiculous.
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