quiltz
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Post by quiltz on Aug 9, 2024 16:26:26 GMT
Be courteous, be alert, pick up your trash and for goodness sake don't hold up traffic or cause near misses, because you aren't paying attention. A car drove up the driveway (horseshoe shaped) of my condo building. They parked, opened their car doors and dumped all of their garbage from their car. I happened to be outside and walked to these people. I asked what their address was. They wondered why & I said that I would return the favour of dumping my garbage on their driveway. I was given the finger and they drove away. Stunned! Yes, they were American. Not impressed. No, they weren't visiting anyone in the building. Simply wanted to clean the car and stretch their legs. The things you see when you live in a tourist area.
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Post by katlady on Aug 9, 2024 16:33:18 GMT
I can't open the article, but Japan is also having a huge influx of tourist. In the city of Kyoto, tourist are banned from certain streets because they are bothering the Geishas. There is video out there of a woman tourist trying to get a photo of a Geisha. She keeps stepping in front of the Geisha who is walking down a street. The Geisha is weaving to avoid her. You can hear people in the background telling the photographer to stop. There are record number of tourist in Japan because of the weak yen. On one hand, the economy needs the tourist dollars, but the people want their lives back. It is the same for Hawaii. Some people want the tourist to go home, but Hawaii's economy depends a lot on tourism.
Locally, in the city of Oceanside, a good majority of the homes between the 5 Freeway and the ocean have become short-term rentals. It is pricing out the locals. The area used to be pretty much lower to middle class. But now, those homes are no longer available for long-term rentals. Owners are also tearing down their old smaller homes and building mini-hotels. There was a cap on short-term rentals put into place this year, but it is not a permanent thing. It does bring in money for the city, and the older run-down homes are being replaced, yet the people who used to live there have to look else were for long-term rentals.
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valincal
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Post by valincal on Aug 9, 2024 16:36:12 GMT
I guess I’ll see first band next month when I travel to Portugal and Spain.
I’m of two minds. I know tourists can be annoying. I’ve seen it firsthand and hopefully I haven’t been one of them. I always try to be respectful of my surroundings and to the people I meet. I can see that the large thongs of tourists would be so annoying to live amongst, but I also know that some businesses and individuals rely on the tourism. I don’t know how a happy medium can be met.
Here in British Columbia they changed the rules for short-term rentals as of May 1 and there are no longer Airbnbs here in the Okanagan. Tourism is definitely down this summer and that is partially to blame. The wineries (already suffering due to a devastating freeze this past winter) and other venues are not happy about it. But tourism is very seasonal here and they have only so many months to take in the tourist dollars, not like Europe and other places where people visit all year round in large numbers.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Aug 9, 2024 19:00:51 GMT
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valincal
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Post by valincal on Aug 9, 2024 19:19:40 GMT
That kind of thing infuriates me!! What the hell is wrong with people? 😠
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Post by grammadee on Aug 9, 2024 19:25:28 GMT
If the money tourists are spending was going to local people and communities, there would be more acceptance I think. Multinational corporations are building hotels and resorts, advertising world wide to attract clientele. I don’t know how it is in Europe, but in the Caribbean if you go a mile or two from your luxurious resort, you will find locals living in corrugated tin shacks.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 9, 2024 19:55:27 GMT
Okay here is my 2 cents, quickly. If there is anything to be blamed it is money. Not tourists. Not your food. Not ease of access to travel. Not cheap airfare. Money. Be mad at the locals who sold their homes to Air BNB, who sold their shops to corporations, who sold their markets to grocery store chains. Why are tourists being blamed? We are all free to travel and experience places. Well except North Korea. Yes there are shitty tourists. Even in America. I mean shoot 3 German tourists used paintball guns and ruined Joshua Tree this past week. Like come on!! So really it's not just Americans. Money talks and obviously those residents needed the money. And if the sold, were they really that tied down to their old ways and traditions?? WTH I hadn’t heard about the paintballs seriously WTF is wrong with people.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 9, 2024 20:00:49 GMT
Be courteous, be alert, pick up your trash and for goodness sake don't hold up traffic or cause near misses, because you aren't paying attention. A car drove up the driveway (horseshoe shaped) of my condo building. They parked, opened their car doors and dumped all of their garbage from their car. I happened to be outside and walked to these people. I asked what their address was. They wondered why & I said that I would return the favour of dumping my garbage on their driveway. I was given the finger and they drove away. Stunned! Yes, they were American. Not impressed. No, they weren't visiting anyone in the building. Simply wanted to clean the car and stretch their legs. The things you see when you live in a tourist area. p People used to park in front of our house - we had a huge pine tree and they often dumped their trash and beer cans by the tree. We were on a hill it was just on the top corner of our yard. It happened often it was so strange. It was a short street with only a few houses. It was usually just fast food bags and scraps but still annoying. Why?
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Post by gillyp on Aug 9, 2024 20:10:22 GMT
Can anyone who travels extensively comment? I tend to be a quiet vacation type of person. I like to get out in the middle of nowhere, unplug and relax type of traveler. We used to travel a lot. We'd steer away from the tourist spots in the main. We'd have say a night or two in Rome or Naples then hire a car and literally head for the hills. We've been to many places in France and Italy where there are no English speakers and had the most amazing hot chocolate in a small cafe in the mountains, a delicious ragu in the garden of a farm where they just put tables outside and a great meal in a tiny cafe on the heel of Italy that was packed with locals, all of whom stopped what they were doing and just watched us eating and talking. The owner was so pleased to serve us! You can find the most amazing quiet and peaceful little villages and towns if you are willing to get off the tourist track. I've not read all the other posts but I was reading a piece in the weekend paper where the writer was saying how groups of tourists from the big cruise ships are causing problems to local places. The tourists don't spend money in the cafes and restaurants in the towns because everything is provided on the ship and the sheer volume of them, many hundreds per ship for just a few hours at a time, causes stress on the environment. Then, of course, you have the stereotypical boozed up Brits who are disrespectful and rude. I don't know what the answer is.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 9, 2024 20:26:30 GMT
I seriously wonder if a few things are in play to make tourism seem worse right now: - International pandemic shut down tourism for a couple years so residents were lulled into enjoying a relatively quiet city.
- The post pandemic years have seen a return of tourists in record numbers.
- Rise in cruise ships means most major tourist attractions are inundated by shore excursions following the same itinerary.
We saw both sides of the cruise ship impact with hundreds (thousands?) of people being dropped off at the Acropolis at 10, guided through and driving off again by 10:30. That same year no American cruises were coming into Kusadasi, Turkey so Ephesus (UNESCO World Heritage Site) was virtually empty.
Without a doubt, housing being used for AirBnBs is an international issue and we will see more and more restrictions, bans, taxes to owners, etc., as local governments struggle with addressing the balance of ensuring reasonable housing for locals versus the rights of property owners to make as much money as possible.
As someone who grew up in a tourist town with lots of "Ye Olde Shoppes" thousands of miles from England, local tourism boards/governments go to great lengths to market an image. Blaming tourists for the desire to get mortadella in Bologne is misguided IMHO.
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casii
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Post by casii on Aug 9, 2024 20:32:48 GMT
I wouldn't say I've traveled extensively because my DH used to think vacations were for visiting his parents only until I finally convinced him that we should broaden our horizons.
Last fall, we were on a food tour in Lisbon and our guide said that many neighborhoods have almost no locals in the housing due to AirBnBs. I'm guessing it's becoming common is many areas, including my own where they just proposed new rules for short term rentals.
Since the kids are grown & flown, DH and I tend to plan an October trip for our anniversary and a January or February trip to get rid of our cabin fever. Crowds are fairly sparse and I feel like maybe we're a more normalized environment maybe?
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scrappinmama
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Jun 26, 2014 12:54:09 GMT
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 9, 2024 20:36:58 GMT
Being exposed to different cultures and ways of life different to our own opens our minds like nothing else imo. What happens when the culture is boxed out? I mean she is talking about students not being able to live in Bologna anymore, there's part of the culture gone. Small, local shops being priced out by chains? There goes a significant part of the culture. This is why I said that I think technology (I'll add capitalism) is cheapening things to the point where culture here is being diluted. I can't read the article without signing up, so I really can't comment on what was said in it. But I can share my opinion on international travel and comments made here. In my opinion, travel is very important. It broadens the mind, helps you to appreciate other cultures and experiences, helps you grow through meeting a variety of people. Makes you appreciate what you have at home too! We just cancelled a Greek cruise for next May because of this. We were also supposed to spend several days in Barcelona before flying home. After seeing massive crowds trying to get on and off some of the Greek Islands, we decided to cancel the entire trip. Now we are looking at other places to visit. Maybe Scotland. When we have traveled, we do our best to live among the locals. But I will not rent air bnb's. I do feel like they have become part of the problem, pricing locals out of their own communities. When we travel, we try to learn some of the travel basics in the language, culture, history. We eat in local restaurants, buy from small businesses and show respect for the people who live there. We don't try to get on trains when locals might be trying to get to or from work. We appreciate the things that we are seeing. We follow local customs, aren't loud Americans. In my experience we have had great interactions with locals. The only time I can think where people were a little mean was in Paris. But even then, that was just a couple people. Everyone else was nice. Some tourists are so disrespectful to the places they visit. It makes me so sad. And it's not just Americans that act this way. But I think a lot of these issues can happen even if you choose to not leave the U.S. Just look at some pictures of Yellowstone. How many times have tourists got out of their cars and approached wildlife, caused massive traffic jams just so they can photograph animals, wandered off of marked paths when they weren't supposed to. I just think people don't show common courtesy for the places they visit. It's very sad.
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 9, 2024 20:41:03 GMT
Someone mentioned Italy. It's gorgeous there! We traveled all over using their train system. People were so kind and welcoming. Of course this was 2022 and I'm sure they were just so glad to have tourist back after the pandemic.
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Post by gillyp on Aug 9, 2024 21:10:32 GMT
He was 37 years old for crying out loud! What an absolute knob.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Aug 9, 2024 22:01:27 GMT
I can't read the article without signing up, so I really can't comment on what was said in it. i posted a gift link on the first page that will allow you to read it. katlady
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Post by Merge on Aug 9, 2024 22:18:20 GMT
When we were in Key West last year, our tour guide was telling us that the locals had voted to disallow cruise ships from stopping there. The feeling was that they overran the small island and ruined the culture and feel of the place, and left a lot of trash and pollution behind. They did a study and found that the island actually made very little from cruise ship tourists - certainly not enough to offset both the cultural and environmental problems they created.
DeSantis, of course, told them they couldn't do that and that they had to keep allowing cruise ships to dock in their port. It's a whole thing. If you've been to Key West, you know they see themselves as basically another country and they resent being told what to do.
I feel for all the other places that get overrun by cruise ships. We're not fans of cruising ourselves, and we also tend to travel in the off season or shoulder season, so we've never been someplace when a cruise ship was docked there. We've also felt very welcome during those seasons - but we do our best not to be "ugly Americans" as well. Speak some of the language, be polite, respect the culture and environment, speak appreciatively about the area when talking to natives. It's not hard.
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Tearisci
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Post by Tearisci on Aug 9, 2024 22:42:18 GMT
When I was in Norway a few years ago, we ventured into the Fjords area and stayed at what we thought was a quaint hotel in a sleepy area. We woke up the next morning and there was a cruise ship. It looked like the Walking Dead stumbling out of the ship and taking over the area. It was insane! We were hoping to escape the tourists in Oslo and here they all were.
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Post by katlady on Aug 9, 2024 23:41:08 GMT
I can't read the article without signing up, so I really can't comment on what was said in it. i posted a gift link on the first page that will allow you to read it. katladyThank You!!
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on Aug 9, 2024 23:57:18 GMT
We saw the cruise ship impact a ton in Greece. We're not much for cruising, but went for this trip and some of the worst of cruising was definitely felt. It's pretty much impossible to beat the crowds. A cruise has always struck me as being Disney World on water in terms of the herds of people. LOL! You'd never get me on one. Hahaha... I read an article recently that compared big cruise ships to being imprisoned inside of Applebees! 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Aug 10, 2024 0:39:00 GMT
When I was in Norway a few years ago, we ventured into the Fjords area and stayed at what we thought was a quaint hotel in a sleepy area. We woke up the next morning and there was a cruise ship. It looked like the Walking Dead stumbling out of the ship and taking over the area. It was insane! We were hoping to escape the tourists in Oslo and here they all were. DD and I were in Norway in 2019. Oslo wasn't all that bad with tourists, but Bergen was horrible during the day. There were 4 ships docked and it was difficult to move around town due to the throngs! Lesson learned and now we always make sure where we are going isn't a cruise stop - or that none are there the days we are there.
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Post by smasonnc on Aug 10, 2024 3:24:03 GMT
As far as I’ve seen the protests in Barcelona in particular are about so many properties are now being used as Airbnb’s that local folk can’t get on the property ladder. DD lives in Barcelona and the rental market is terrible because of AirBnBs. We helped her buy a place so she wouldn't have to deal with it anymore. The protests were mainly in a heavily touristed part of town which she stays away from. When we go, we try to be quiet (many Americans talk really loudly!) and polite so we haven't had any trouble. However, I can't help but feel that in general, there are a higher percentage of tourists behaving poorly now than in the past. And I can absolutely understand people living in those places not wanting the crushing over-tourism they are receiving, particularly with people behaving badly. I, personally, am not interesting in visiting any major cities in Europe because I don't wish to deal with the crushing throngs of people. There are more tourists period so higher numbers of people behaving badly. With the rising middle class in some countries, there are more tourists from places that only recently started to travel. Many times in their cultures it is not customary to wait in line. Many tour companies cater to inexperienced travelers who want a lot of hand holding so there are a lot of large groups with earpieces following a lollypop. Many of the major cities are incredible and it's completely understandable that people want to go there. I grew up in a US tourist spot. When I was a child it was just a place for the locals and occasional tourists when special events would happen. Then it changed into a full time tourist town. The biggest complaints the locals have in that area is the tourist behavior on the road. I live in a tourist town. The season is nuts, but it drives our economy. The way they drive is mental. I got a giggle from all the online advice about how Americans shouldn't wear shirts advertising American things because it screams American tourist. I saw loads of shirts advertising all things American and made a point to get close enough to find out if they were indeed American. I think we only found 2 instances where they were American. 😁 When I lived in Hong Kong, I saw a lot of funny examples of people wearing t-shirts that they clearly had no idea of the meaning. One was an elderly lady in a shirt that said, "F*^k you, you f*^king f*^k!" It makes me wonder what the characters on my Asian print shirt say. 😂 We travel a lot but we have only taken a couple of cruises. Seeing the sights on a cruise is brutal. Thousands of people at a time disembark, take a selfie, run through a museum, buy a t-shirt, then get back on the ship. They don't eat in the restaurants or buy goods in the mom-and-pop shops so the stores around the tourist attractions are all tourist tat. That's one of the things locals object to. Cruisers spend 4 hours in port and say they've visited the country. For instance, Santorini is beautiful, but it's a $#*tshow when cruise ships are in port. The same with a lot of places. Instagram and travel blogging have changed travel completely. They provide good information and a look at places we may not have seen, but content creators are EVERYWHERE, oblivious to what's going on around them. I used to wait for people to finish taking a picture, but now it's a complete photo shoot so screw it. I'm so over it that I sometimes wait until the last second and wander into their shot on purpose. I went to the Trevi fountain at 5:30 am thinking it would be pretty empty. No. There must have been 50 Instagrammers dressed in frilly dresses and white sneakers doing the same stupid poses...holding the hat, looking pensive, throwing their arms in the air...with their hapless boyfriends taking their pictures. It was hilarious. Just go, try local food, talk to local people, learn about local culture, and really get to know a place. There is a lot of English spoken in tourist areas and most places are really safe from violent crime because they don't have guns like we do. Keep an eye on your wallet and phone and don't talk to strangers on the street. You'll have a wonderful time and see the world in a whole new way.
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Post by jackietex on Aug 10, 2024 4:43:00 GMT
I know this isn't the original topic...but I love going on a cruise! And I would not say it's like Disney or Applebee's on water, though some might be like that. I understand that crowds of people visiting a small town could be overwhelming, but I've cruised places that would be dirt poor if not for the visiting ships. There are two sides, of course.
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seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Aug 10, 2024 4:55:14 GMT
I’ve only been out of the country one time- I went to Belize. I made sure to be courteous, clean up my messes and any that I came upon and spend my money in local shops.
I’m currently in the process of getting my Italy-US dual citizenship. My ancestral town is a tiny village near the Alps. I hope to go there once I’ve got my citizenship. I have one distant cousin still living there as far as I know. I’m thinking I may visit and then maybe retire there. My cousin who is a month older than me already has his citizenship and plans to retire there.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 10, 2024 9:28:23 GMT
Regarding wearing t-shirts with American logos or sayings - they are worn everywhere by the locals!
We are in a small town in Spain…basically no Americans are here. We are sitting at a small restaurant outside on the square last night (we walked to dinner at 10:30pm!) — the local guy next to us is wearing a Sacramento jersey. I just thought that was so funny. Sacramento! (No offense to anyone from Sacramento lol)
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Post by gillyp on Aug 10, 2024 9:44:58 GMT
It would never cross my mind that someone wearing a place name top was actually from that place; I just assume they like the top.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 10, 2024 10:53:46 GMT
It would never cross my mind that someone wearing a place name top was actually from that place; I just assume they like the top. I don’t think people think they are from the places…
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 10, 2024 10:58:08 GMT
This is horrible. I hope he is prosecuted.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 10, 2024 11:02:06 GMT
gillyp said: We'd have say a night or two in Rome or Naples then hire a car and literally head for the hills. We've been to many places in France and Italy where there are no English speakers and had the most amazing hot chocolate in a small cafe in the mountains, a delicious ragu in the garden of a farm where they just put tables outside and a great meal in a tiny cafe on the heel of Italy that was packed with locals, all of whom stopped what they were doing and just watched us eating and talking. The owner was so pleased to serve us! You can find the most amazing quiet and peaceful little villages and towns if you are willing to get off the tourist track. This is the way I hope to do Italy when I eventually get there. This is why I want to wait until I actually have time to wander. And not feel like I'm rushing in one week.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 10, 2024 11:08:19 GMT
A cruise has always struck me as being Disney World on water in terms of the herds of people. LOL! You'd never get me on one. Hahaha... I read an article recently that compared big cruise ships to being imprisoned inside of Applebees! 🤣🤣🤣 Is Applebee's crowded? My comment about the cruise ship was intended to talk about crowds. I like small scale adventures.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 10, 2024 11:10:40 GMT
I know this isn't the original topic...but I love going on a cruise! And I would not say it's like Disney or Applebee's on water, though some might be like that. I understand that crowds of people visiting a small town could be overwhelming, but I've cruised places that would be dirt poor if not for the visiting ships. There are two sides, of course. My comment was in reference to crowds. Disney is a very overwhelmingly crowded place for someone like me. I imagine cruise ships to be similar.
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