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Post by cmpeter on Aug 15, 2024 2:18:51 GMT
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Bridget in MD
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Post by Bridget in MD on Aug 15, 2024 2:23:31 GMT
I think it is so full of shit!
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Post by lg on Aug 15, 2024 4:23:59 GMT
You can choose not to get Disney plus but if you EVER plan on going to a park ANyWHERe in the world (even Japan that is not run or owned by the Disney company!) you HAVE to sign up for the app so this is 100% bs based on that alone
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Post by seaexplore on Aug 15, 2024 4:31:38 GMT
Adding that to why I will never step foot in a Disney park again nor get Disney+.
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Post by snyder on Aug 15, 2024 4:48:17 GMT
I have read that statement in many "Term" on things that I have engaged with in some form or another. I haven't given them a whole lot of thought, as I was told and I guess I should not assume, that they put those terms in there agreements, but if something would happen that was truely malpractice, that one could sue.
I bet a good 80% or more of the population does not read those agreements. They all say the same thing, they all are long and drawn out and are in difficult to read language.
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Post by Lexica on Aug 15, 2024 5:01:04 GMT
I think there is a huge difference between watching Disney streaming shows and going to a restaurant in the amusement park that the Disney plus agreement should not be binding for park attendees. If it is ultimately a jury trial and I was on that jury, I would keep that petty attempt in mind.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 15, 2024 5:58:41 GMT
I think the plaintiff is the decedent’s estate and she isn’t even the person who signed up for Disney+. I think the argument is frivolous.
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Post by hopemax on Aug 15, 2024 6:10:00 GMT
I think there is a huge difference between watching Disney streaming shows and going to a restaurant in the amusement park that the Disney plus agreement should not be binding for park attendees. If it is ultimately a jury trial and I was on that jury, I would keep that petty attempt in mind. FYI, the restaurant in question isn't in an theme park. It's in Disney's shopping district and a third party (2 people from Dublin, Ireland) who leases space, and operates the restaurant That's part of why this reaction by Disney is so over the top. They have a built in excuse that it's not *their* restaurant.
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Post by melanell on Aug 15, 2024 14:21:24 GMT
I think there is a huge difference between watching Disney streaming shows and going to a restaurant in the amusement park that the Disney plus agreement should not be binding for park attendees. If it is ultimately a jury trial and I was on that jury, I would keep that petty attempt in mind. FYI, the restaurant in question isn't in an theme park. It's in Disney's shopping district and a third party (2 people from Dublin, Ireland) who leases space, and operates the restaurant That's part of why this reaction by Disney is so over the top. They have a built in excuse that it's not *their* restaurant. Exactly! I have no idea what in the world their legal team was thinking when they decided to go with a line in a user agreement for a streaming service in relation to a case in which someone lost their life in Disney Spring restaurant location. Apparently their legal team and PR team don't talk to one another, because besides being just an utterly ridiculous waste of the court's time, and a slap in the face to the family, this is going to bring them nothing but backlash from the public.
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Post by melanell on Aug 15, 2024 14:23:45 GMT
Putting that in the Disney+ agreement, to any average user, is going to mean something along the lines of "Oh, my streaming service wasn't working for 3 months, and I want a refund, and Disney won't give me one, but I can't sue them for it, because of the terms of agreement."
It's utter rot to try to make it seem like it means anything beyond that.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Aug 15, 2024 16:07:55 GMT
I'm really glad my kids are adults, so Disney is no longer on our radar (except Epcot--they want to "drink around the world" there).
All 3 of my daughters are pretty adamant that they do not want kids, and I honestly don't expect that to change (they are 31, 25, and 25). Since my grandcats don't want to go to Disney, I believe I am off the hook.
Unfortunately, if Disney gets away with this, other entertainment venues will probably stick these provisions in their apps, which will most likely be required to attend.
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Post by disneypal on Aug 15, 2024 20:24:13 GMT
I don't see how that will fly. Subscribing to Disney+ is totally unrelated to park activity. They can try, I guess, but I can't see a judge dismissing that case on that basis.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2024 20:36:09 GMT
Disney is crazy if they think that argument is going to fly but it's understandable that they don't want this case to go before a jury.
On an unrelated note, I'm curious about her allergy. And I'm in no way victim blaming. According to the husband, they made her allergy clear to the server. The server and the restaurant were negligent. She was a doctor, I assume she used her epi pen as soon as possible, but sadly, still died. Was the epi pen expired? Was one dose not sufficient? Did she not get to the hospital soon enough? I wonder how often this happens?
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Post by papersilly on Aug 15, 2024 20:51:26 GMT
i learned this yesterday!! sneaky disney. i suspect that's in many other streaming service agreements too. so i guess i won't be able to sue amazon. LOL
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Post by Embri on Aug 16, 2024 10:33:53 GMT
You can choose not to get Disney plus but if you EVER plan on going to a park ANyWHERe in the world (even Japan that is not run or owned by the Disney company!) you HAVE to sign up for the app so this is 100% bs based on that alone Genuine question:
What happens if you don't own a cell phone? Are you just shit outta luck, no Disney for you? Seems bonkers to me; good thing I've never been interested in any of their theme parks.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 16, 2024 17:14:46 GMT
FYI, the restaurant in question isn't in an theme park. It's in Disney's shopping district and a third party (2 people from Dublin, Ireland) who leases space, and operates the restaurant That's part of why this reaction by Disney is so over the top. They have a built in excuse that it's not *their* restaurant. What am I missing? Why Disney is being sued...just because they have deep pockets? They don't own the restaurant so why go after Disney? The issue is with the restaurant, the server and it's management. It seems like Disney's ridiculous response is because them being sued is equally ridiculous.
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Post by cmpeter on Aug 16, 2024 21:32:01 GMT
I’m not sure. You would think if there were no grounds to sue Disney that would be their line of defense, not this silly you signed up for a free trial of Disney+ argument.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 16, 2024 23:35:44 GMT
FYI, the restaurant in question isn't in an theme park. It's in Disney's shopping district and a third party (2 people from Dublin, Ireland) who leases space, and operates the restaurant That's part of why this reaction by Disney is so over the top. They have a built in excuse that it's not *their* restaurant. What am I missing? Why Disney is being sued...just because they have deep pockets? They don't own the restaurant so why go after Disney? The issue is with the restaurant, the server and it's management. It seems like Disney's ridiculous response is because them being sued is equally ridiculous. I don't understand that either. This is what I found when googling. "Upon information and belief Disney had control over the menu of food offered, the hiring and training of the wait staff, and the policies and procedures as it pertains to food allergies at Disney Springs restaurants such as Raglan Road" I wonder if any of that is true. It only says "belief" that Disney had control.
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Post by Embri on Aug 17, 2024 0:05:38 GMT
I wonder if any of that is true. It only says "belief" that Disney had control. I would presume such beliefs would go to discovery (or some other legal process, I am not a lawyer) where the common sense counterargument would be "Disney is not in charge of the restaurant, thus not eligible to be sued over its decisions". Dragging in a Disney+ contract for a completely unrelated service to the theme park is just ? especially since why wouldn't you use the much more relevant theme park Terms and Conditions?
I already thought Disney was a shitty company but this just confirms it.
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Post by lg on Aug 17, 2024 7:19:46 GMT
You can choose not to get Disney plus but if you EVER plan on going to a park ANyWHERe in the world (even Japan that is not run or owned by the Disney company!) you HAVE to sign up for the app so this is 100% bs based on that alone Genuine question:
What happens if you don't own a cell phone? Are you just shit outta luck, no Disney for you? Seems bonkers to me; good thing I've never been interested in any of their theme parks.
I can only speak on Tokyo Disneyland. You can get a printed day ticket to scan to enter, then if you want to do anything else without a phone you do have an option of going to the customer service desk at the front of the park and asking them to book things for you. How you would get dining bookings, anniversary passes, priority booking, standby passes and request lottery entries into any of the shows I would not have a clue… and good luck navigating the park without knowing how long the ride lines are as they can be 2 hours plus for multiple rides every day of the week. And language barrier may also be a factor. Basically they have made it possible BUT I would almost buy a burner phone in Japan rather than go to Tokyo Disney without one! We just get a Japanese wifi thing at the airport so our phones work instead 😁
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 20, 2024 13:07:04 GMT
Disney is no longer pursuing the block.
"At Disney, we strive to put humanity above all other considerations. With such unique circumstances as the ones in this case, we believe this situation warrants a sensitive approach to expedite a resolution for the family who have experienced such a painful loss. As such, we’ve decided to waive our right to arbitration and have the matter proceed in court.”
Josh D’Amaro
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 20, 2024 15:04:54 GMT
I think I read that Disney got looped in because there was a blurb in a Disney Springs brochure that stated the restaurant was allergen free. But wouldn’t that info have to come from the restaurant itself? I’d think those brochures would have some printed disclaimer RE: reliability of information coming from outside companies that they don’t have control over. I don’t know how Disney could be held responsible anyway since they don’t own or operate the restaurant.
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Post by used2scrap on Aug 20, 2024 20:23:03 GMT
What am I missing? Why Disney is being sued...just because they have deep pockets? They don't own the restaurant so why go after Disney? The issue is with the restaurant, the server and it's management. It seems like Disney's ridiculous response is because them being sued is equally ridiculous. I don't understand that either. This is what I found when googling. "Upon information and belief Disney had control over the menu of food offered, the hiring and training of the wait staff, and the policies and procedures as it pertains to food allergies at Disney Springs restaurants such as Raglan Road" I wonder if any of that is true. It only says "belief" that Disney had control. One books reservations at Raglan Road through the Disney app along with Disney’s other restaurants, so I wouldn’t have known it’s not a Disney run restaurant. I think there are some even in the parks (Epcot) that aren’t actually Disney run, yet they appear to be.
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Post by cmpeter on Aug 20, 2024 22:27:00 GMT
Glad they are walking back on the arbitration or nothing deal. I’m sure only because of the negative press.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 21, 2024 0:44:05 GMT
Glad they are walking back on the arbitration or nothing deal. I’m sure only because of the negative press. Or they are confident they will win.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 21, 2024 0:46:32 GMT
I don't understand that either. This is what I found when googling. "Upon information and belief Disney had control over the menu of food offered, the hiring and training of the wait staff, and the policies and procedures as it pertains to food allergies at Disney Springs restaurants such as Raglan Road" I wonder if any of that is true. It only says "belief" that Disney had control. One books reservations at Raglan Road through the Disney app along with Disney’s other restaurants, so I wouldn’t have known it’s not a Disney run restaurant. I think there are some even in the parks (Epcot) that aren’t actually Disney run, yet they appear to be. But the downtown Disney/ Disney springs area have a ton of businesses that are not Disney owned. The only ones I would ever assume were Disney owned were ones that sold Disney merchandise such as the Disney Store, The Star Wars store, etc.
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