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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 15, 2024 14:25:02 GMT
Yesterday we had an all staff mtg. They are not mandatory. We have them like every 3-4 months. There are probably about 100 of us in our dept. We recently have had employee surveys go out..about 3 months ago, and they did not look good. Main problems that came up were employee recognition for our work, advancement, manager approval, and appreciation. Let's just say there have been problems for yrs, and esp after the hire of this new manager a yr ago. So at the meeting we were shown a video. I will link it. Let's just say it got mixed results. I'll just post it and let you guys comment and then I'll come back
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Post by ntsf on Aug 15, 2024 14:47:11 GMT
I only watched about 1 minute of it. sounds like your bosses went to too. many management seminars and are trying to avoid the real issues of your workplace.. deflecting the blame of any problems onto the employees rather than the employers..such bs
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Post by snyder on Aug 15, 2024 14:48:09 GMT
Well, it would depend. Was there a topic or topics that the all employee was concentrating on? If it was the results of the surveys, then it might have seen a bit odd, but if there was no topic, but a general employee meeting, I see it appropriate. Seems like the person in charge of the meeting scored around to find something that was positive and encouraging. Stephen Covey has a lot of good teachings.
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Post by ceepea on Aug 15, 2024 14:59:17 GMT
It seems like they are telling you to be happy even though we treat you shitty. It's not our fault it effects you, its your fault. That is my thoughts on that video for your situation.
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Post by caangel on Aug 15, 2024 15:00:13 GMT
Good luck to the company when people start to be proactive and find a work place that treats them better!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 15, 2024 15:02:18 GMT
Not an inappropriate video for a work meeting. Is an inappropriate video for that particular work meeting. Your company asked employees for their opinions about work. They didn't like the negative results. It's on them to figure out what can be changed, not for employees to just suck it up because that's the way it is. If that's their position, what's the point of asking for feedback?
I mean, it's not the most egregious response to an employee survey, but it is missing the entire point of asking for feedback.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Aug 15, 2024 15:20:49 GMT
WTF?  I would be offended and complain about that too! LOL |
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Post by pinklady on Aug 15, 2024 15:23:46 GMT
I only watched a minute or so but I’m not a fan of Stephen Coveys 7 Habits for Highly Effective People. I have not read it in 20 years but back then I felt like it was blowing smoke and couldn’t truly be applied to the “real” corporate world.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 15, 2024 15:33:32 GMT
One of my co-workers asked...before the video. Are we going to talk about survey results? and our Director said, not now, maybe at the next mtg in 3 months. and then showed this video.
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Post by agengr2004 on Aug 15, 2024 16:50:47 GMT
Not appropriate for the workplace. I took an Occupational Psychology course last semester and the biggest takeaway from it was this:
That's what employees need along with transparency. Their unwillignness to even discuss the survey after they asked you to take the time to fill it out creates a negative environment. It reinforces employees that feel they aren't being supported or listened to. Employees have to see a willingness from upper management to listen and make changes where appropriate. Even if the changes aren't successful they don't feel like they are being ignored.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 15, 2024 17:37:43 GMT
By itself, I don’t see a problem with the video. But given the results of the survey it seems tacky.
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Post by Merge on Aug 15, 2024 17:59:30 GMT
1. I loathe Steven Covey all that self-help bullshit. Loathe it. A kind of secular prosperity gospel IMO.
2. I don't disagree that we make choices about how we react to things. It is true that we can only control ourselves, but also
3. This is exactly the kind of bullshit they tell teachers when they express a need for better working conditions. It's gaslighting, pure and simple. Because they don't actually mean you have a choice about how to react to things, up to and including leaving for someplace that treats you better. They want you to just stay and take more of their crap. Sometimes conditions ARE the thing holding you back.
So call them on their bullshit. Make a choice to work elsewhere. Our state-appointed superintendent spews nonsense like this and he's reaping the effects of what he's sowed this year - 43% of teachers left our district last year and lots of classrooms started this year with subs in them because the replacements he was counting on have not materialized. Lots more have uncertified, and in some cases non-degreed, "teachers" at the helm.
When you as a leader place the blame for low morale on a supposed group of malcontents, you're failing in part of your managerial responsibility. The buck always stops at the top.
People can make a choice to be happy somewhere else. That's what "leaders" like that don't want to tell you. Or they will tell you (the equivalent of "if you don't like it here, there's the door") but they're not really expecting many people to leave.
All you can control is you. Make a plan and leave. That's the only way these so-called leaders will learn.
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Post by melanell on Aug 15, 2024 18:11:10 GMT
One of my co-workers asked...before the video. Are we going to talk about survey results? and our Director said, not now, maybe at the next mtg in 3 months. and then showed this video. Wow. I would not be pleased. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 15, 2024 21:50:04 GMT
Thanks for all the confirmation. We felt gaslighted for sure. There have been several coworkers leave this year. We are short staffed. I can’t understand how they think this was helpful. The funny thing too is they brought in lunch for us also. Not the typical cheap pizza place. We got Mexican. That never ever happens, but they said it was because our dept won the Hero award this yr. Yea. We are obviously a good dept. but I think it’s because one of the drs bought is EXPENSIVE pizza this wk to appreciate us.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 15, 2024 22:22:27 GMT
Yeah… no. I will say that there is something to putting a positive spin on an occasional negative situation, but if you’re going to keep handing me a shit sandwich day after day, eventually I’m going to find somewhere else to eat. I think it’s a cop out for an employer to expect employees to basically just suck it up and deal instead of looking for tangible ways to make their employee’s situation better. I think seeing that in response to an employee survey would just tick me off.
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Post by MissBianca on Aug 16, 2024 2:10:13 GMT
For the most part I’m a firm believer in you can’t control how people act but you can control how you react to them, however…..if it’s connected to the survey talking about acknowledgment and appreciation then it feels like a comment of be grateful you get a paycheck, you should be thankful we gave you a job. It’s like they think that getting a paycheck gives them a pass for treating people poorly.
Context matters and this isn’t a good look for management.
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Post by Zee on Aug 16, 2024 3:33:44 GMT
Tell me you work in healthcare without telling me you work in healthcare. (Or, any traditionally female-dominated profession)
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 16, 2024 3:57:26 GMT
I work in banking and they went all in on Covey/7 habits bullshit. I also hate this crap with a passion.
I would hate seeing this even more after a company wide survey shows this being a management issue.
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Post by sunnyd on Aug 16, 2024 5:39:57 GMT
1 minute in and I f'ing hated it, ha! No one, child or adult, appreciates being told to adjust their attitude, especially by management!
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Post by gramma on Aug 16, 2024 22:55:11 GMT
The basic Covey habits are good I think
Habit 1: Be Proactive® ...
Habit 2: Begin With the End in Mind® ...
Habit 3: Put First Things First® ...
Habit 4: Think Win-Win® ...
Habit 5: Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood® ...
Habit 6: Synergize® ...
Habit 7: Sharpen the Saw®
It's all the condescending BS sales junk that goes along with it.
I would be horribly offended by that video, especially as a follow up to a less than stellar survey.
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Post by paulao on Aug 16, 2024 23:19:04 GMT
I watched one minute, turned it off, and thanked God I am retired and no longer have to put up with this BS.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 16, 2024 23:32:28 GMT
While my outlook and how I go thru my days has an affect on my day, it’s out come and my mood, I am not responsible for how others treat me.
The video is gaslighting 101 if you’re being treated unwell it’s your fault for not making a different decision. I’d have decided to leave the not mandatory gaslight meeting because it is insulting.
But yes, I guess ultimately, if you are not happy with how your employer is treating you it is up to you to find other employment.
If a company survey had come back with requests for recognition etc and this was the company’s response to those things being expressed I would take it as an invitation to seek other employment if I wanted those things.
But that video is literally the same as when narcissists blame you for how they treated you - it’s gaslighting
A big 🖕🏼from me on the video
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 17, 2024 0:46:33 GMT
I’m only 4-5 yrs out from retirement, so I’ll stick it out, but I know others won’t.
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 17, 2024 1:04:59 GMT
Wow. I'd be pissed if this is what comes up at a meeting after the survey. That is shitty and really shows that your employer doesn't care about the employees at all. They will continue to take advantage of the employees in any way they can. I hope many of your coworkers find better jobs.
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Post by snyder on Aug 17, 2024 1:41:40 GMT
I think many here did not take note that it was asked if they were going to address the survey results and concerns and they were told that not at this particular meeting, but the next one. So to me, this video is not directly a part of addressing those issues, but a filler. Maybe not the best choice, but I wouldn't be pissed because I had already been informed we were not addressing the survey at the moment.
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 17, 2024 1:55:37 GMT
The basic Covey habits are good I think Habit 1: Be Proactive® ... Habit 2: Begin With the End in Mind® ... Habit 3: Put First Things First® ... Habit 4: Think Win-Win® ... Habit 5: Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood® ... Habit 6: Synergize® ... Habit 7: Sharpen the Saw® It's all the condescending BS sales junk that goes along with it. I would be horribly offended by that video, especially as a follow up to a less than stellar survey. Did they change one? I seem to remember ‘Sharpen the saw’ |
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 17, 2024 1:59:01 GMT
The basic Covey habits are good I think Habit 1: Be Proactive® ... Habit 2: Begin With the End in Mind® ... Habit 3: Put First Things First® ... Habit 4: Think Win-Win® ... Habit 5: Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood® ... Habit 6: Synergize® ... Habit 7: Sharpen the Saw® It's all the condescending BS sales junk that goes along with it. I would be horribly offended by that video, especially as a follow up to a less than stellar survey. Did they change one? I seem to remember ‘Sharpen the saw’ . Disregard. I see it When I was in college, my Professor had just come back from sabbatical and spent a WHOLE semester on the 7 habits. This is when my hatred began. I don’t even remember what the guy was supposed to be teaching. But it definitely wasn’t this. This list looked a little different from what I learned in 1990. |
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Post by caangel on Aug 17, 2024 2:15:25 GMT
I think many here did not take note that it was asked if they were going to address the survey results and concerns and they were told that not at this particular meeting, but the next one. So to me, this video is not directly a part of addressing those issues, but a filler. Maybe not the best choice, but I wouldn't be pissed because I had already been informed we were not addressing the survey at the moment. Regardless of their intention, if the survey is on the top of mind of the employees, there's no way most would not take the video as a response to the survey. Especially, if this is the first time they have used video from this program. But even if the video was one in a series being shared over time, they should have read the room and strategically chosen a different video. Or they just don't care. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 17, 2024 3:09:45 GMT
Oh we have never ever had videos at our meetings, and nothing ever shared from this guy before.
This survey goes out 2x a yr, and things have never really been addressed, or gone over, so won’t hold my breath. They have asked- how do you want us to fix it/things. To me, that’s their job figure out. Not ours
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Post by Zee on Aug 17, 2024 3:34:18 GMT
Oh we have never ever had videos at our meetings, and nothing ever shared from this guy before. This survey goes out 2x a yr, and things have never really been addressed, or gone over, so won’t hold my breath. They have asked- how do you want us to fix it/things. To me, that’s their job figure out. Not ours The way it works is, you are told you have a voice. It is up to you to explain in the survey what you want them to fix. They then choose some of these things to "fix", and they tell you many many times over and over before the next survey just exactly what they've done for you. They tell you this so you can think, gee, we have a voice! We spoke up and this is what they did! Only it's things like, a keyless lock on the employee bathroom so that the rest of the hospital can't leave shit on your toilet seat and go back to the ER and pretend they didn't do it. (Ok, yes, that's a true example that was used, and it was actually the most popular "fix" they've done for us, because it was no little thing to get accomplished lol). It temporarily takes your mind off staffing ratios and no cost of living increase, and if you do focus on that, it's ignored but they'll talk about it "at the next budget meeting". "We don't have enough staff to safely do this job" "But all our positions are filled, we hired 5 new nurses in the past two months" Yes, they're all filled because the finance officer cut the number of approved jobs by looking at ratios at other "similar" hospitals across the country and decided we could do more with less. This turns into more safety initiatives along with messages to be grateful we work for a facility that is financially healthy and supports our voices with things like locked bathrooms that require a code to get into. We're not that stupid, CFO. Or maybe we are because we let unionization get shut down before it begins and continue to accept staffing cuts without pay raises and keep showing up for work day after day. Because we have bills to pay. Meanwhile the execs are paid literally millions of dollars a year in this non-profit organization. Healthcare is run like a corporation that must fight every single day to get reimbursement from insurance companies and their demands. Their execs also make millions per year. No one "wins" but them. |
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I would be offended and complain about that too! LOL
