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Post by melanell on Aug 28, 2024 22:24:25 GMT
I think that especially these days, that if you're putting apolitical sign outside of your business, you are purposely opting to run off potential or even current customers. Myself, if I needed a particular business, and had a choice between a business with no sign and a business with a sign for the candidate I did NOT wish to see in office, then I would choose to try the business with no sign.
I don't believe that putting those signs out there actually does any good at the presidential level. So I personally see placing them outside a business as having only negative potential outcomes, and it baffles me as to why a business owner would choose to do such a thing.
I have not seen any signs outside of businesses in my area yet. In fact, I'm seeing far less signs in general, which again, at the presidential level I think is a good thing. I just don't see people being swayed in their choice for president by a yard sign. And therefore I see only the expense in making them and the trash generated by them. So I hope there continues to be less of them.
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Post by melanell on Aug 28, 2024 22:37:00 GMT
There is a small garden store up the street that has cute plants but they were very anti-mask in the beginning of the Pandemic and gave my niece crap for wearing a mask so I don't support them either. I can't understand small businesses that do crap like that. I want to ask what business classes they ever took that taught them that such things were appropriate. I ran into a different kind of issue with a family business here in my area. On multiple occasions people I know and trust heard/saw the high school son of the couple bullying students in the LGBTQ+ club at school. Now, I understand that this kid does not necessarily share the same beliefs as his parents. And they wouldn't necessarily condone such behavior. BUT that kid was at the family's business every weekend working. So he was a face for their business. And before all of that, I frequented their business, and after I repeatedly heard about those incidents, I stopped. Because I wasn't about to go act all nice and friendly "Hi, how are you? Have a nice day. Say hello to your parents." with that kid. There are other people in town offering the same services. So I went to those people instead. But I often wondered if at any point, the parents ever had any general discussion with the importance of them behaving in a kind and respectful manner since literally anyone they ran into in town was or could be a customer. (And you know, it's the right thing to do, as well, but that's a different discussion.) |
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Post by KikiPea on Aug 28, 2024 22:41:01 GMT
I will shop whenever I need to to get things I’m looking for. I don’t care what their beliefs are. They are welcome to their opinions.
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Post by KikiPea on Aug 28, 2024 22:41:37 GMT
I have not, and never will, allow politics to keep me from shopping wherever I want. Our country stands for freedom of speech and I consider that a very important right. I deplore Penzey's over-the-top in-your-face politics, but they sell great spices and I am a frequent customer although that exposes me to their annoying and wildly slanted emails. Do I like them? NO! But I like living in a country where they have a right to send them. Where they have a right to believe what they like. I will never try to infringe on someone else's right to make a living and still not think the way I do. So, yes I shop wherever the product I need is offered. This. |
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Post by Zee on Aug 28, 2024 22:54:38 GMT
We were about to sign a $10K+ contract for window treatments when I remarked that I was glad the rail strike was averted it wouldn't mess with delivery. Owner says "Oh you can't believe anything Biden says." (it was diverted) Silence. "Oh I assume you were conservative." She then went on to tell us she gets all her news from some wrestler on Fox news. This was a couple of years ago. We said, "goodbye" and walked out. She called me later and I told her that I was uncomfortable doing business with someone who mixed politics with business. What in the world does 10k worth of window treatments look like? |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 28, 2024 23:00:00 GMT
I am not sure where I stood on this in the "before" times, truthfully. I think in "normal" times, I wouldn't think too much of it. However, since the Trump era, this has not been a political issue to me; it's a moral one. If, as a company, your reason for voting for Trump is that you believe he has policies better for small business (which is a crock, but whatever), and you are willing to vote for that despite all of the trampling of democratic values and the freedoms of many demographics of people, it tells me all I need to know about how you feel about and value your customers. If you don't value my rights as a human, you don't value me as a customer. I will find somewhere else to shop if you are advertising to me through Trump signs that you don't give a shit about my well-being. This is how I feel too. Before Trump, I didn’t agree with the policies of either Bush, Romney, or other normal old school Republicans but I didn’t think of them as immoral or bad people. The same is not true with Trump. Based on his policies, his words, his actions, his cabinet and administrative picks, his SC picks, it’s pretty clear that he isn’t a moral person at all and he places no value whatsoever on other people. |
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Post by lisae on Aug 28, 2024 23:05:54 GMT
We were about to sign a $10K+ contract for window treatments when I remarked that I was glad the rail strike was averted it wouldn't mess with delivery. Owner says "Oh you can't believe anything Biden says." (it was diverted) Silence. "Oh I assume you were conservative." She then went on to tell us she gets all her news from some wrestler on Fox news. This was a couple of years ago. We said, "goodbye" and walked out. She called me later and I told her that I was uncomfortable doing business with someone who mixed politics with business. What in the world does 10k worth of window treatments look like? I've been out of the window treatment business for over 10 years but I can easily imagine a job running that much today if you are doing custom work or if you are selling motorized blinds/shades particularly for several rooms. I did jobs that ran $5k for a couple of rooms 20 years ago. And you don't get rich on this either. Custom work is labor intensive. Back when I was in business we did a lot fancier styles than are common today - draperies with trims, elaborate valances, Roman Shades. But simple things like custom draperies in a nice fabric and custom made rods can run up. |
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Post by Zee on Aug 28, 2024 23:09:22 GMT
What in the world does 10k worth of window treatments look like? I've been out of the window treatment business for over 10 years but I can easily imagine a job running that much today if you are doing custom work or if you are selling motorized blinds/shades particularly for several rooms. I did jobs that ran $5k for a couple of rooms 20 years ago. And you don't get rich on this either. Custom work is labor intensive. Back when I was in business we did a lot fancier styles than are common today - draperies with trims, elaborate valances, Roman Shades. But simple things like custom draperies in a nice fabric and custom made rods can run up. I just cannot wrap my head around spending 10k on window treatments. I picture anything that costly as being absolutely...not my style. Like, Tara in Gone With the Wind. |
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Post by katlady on Aug 28, 2024 23:35:06 GMT
I've been out of the window treatment business for over 10 years but I can easily imagine a job running that much today if you are doing custom work or if you are selling motorized blinds/shades particularly for several rooms. I did jobs that ran $5k for a couple of rooms 20 years ago. And you don't get rich on this either. Custom work is labor intensive. Back when I was in business we did a lot fancier styles than are common today - draperies with trims, elaborate valances, Roman Shades. But simple things like custom draperies in a nice fabric and custom made rods can run up. I just cannot wrap my head around spending 10k on window treatments. I picture anything that costly as being absolutely...not my style. Like, Tara in Gone With the Wind. Almost 30 years ago, we spent about $4K for 8 3” wood shutters. That included 2 half-arches. I can’t even imagine how much that would cost in 2024. |
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Post by Zee on Aug 28, 2024 23:41:22 GMT
I just cannot wrap my head around spending 10k on window treatments. I picture anything that costly as being absolutely...not my style. Like, Tara in Gone With the Wind. Almost 30 years ago, we spent about $4K for 8 3” wood shutters. That included 2 half-arches. I can’t even imagine how much that would cost in 2024. Nope... I'm definitely not the target for that industry. I am a sheers and curtains from TJMaxx girl, completely. I wouldn't even like to look at wooden shutters. Unless they were outside, now THAT I could see--but in that case they'd be vinyl. The only exception I would make is period-correct in a very fancy old house. See Tara, above. My mom has some wooden shutters in the kitchen of her lovely 1930 home. |
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Post by purplebee on Aug 29, 2024 0:01:13 GMT
If I entered a business and saw a trump sign, I would immediately leave.
I am still highly annoyed about the $1200 set of tires I purchased for my Hyundai last year from a local shop. Dh did the legwork, and we went in to pick up the car w/tires installed. Went in the front door, paid and walked to the rear of the shop where my car was parked in a back bay. Lo and behold I see a big “Let’s Go Brandon” banner strung across the back of the work area. It was all I could do not to turn around, cancel my check and tell them to remove my new tires! I am not at all sad to hear that the shop is just about ready to close….
And I do love Penzey’s and buy from them regularly.
It’s hard to imagine a time when an expression of political support was just that. Trump has totally changed the political landscape in America and I loathe him with every fiber of my being for the destruction he has wrought.
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Post by jill8909 on Aug 29, 2024 0:13:18 GMT
We were about to sign a $10K+ contract for window treatments when I remarked that I was glad the rail strike was averted it wouldn't mess with delivery. Owner says "Oh you can't believe anything Biden says." (it was diverted) Silence. "Oh I assume you were conservative." She then went on to tell us she gets all her news from some wrestler on Fox news. This was a couple of years ago. We said, "goodbye" and walked out. She called me later and I told her that I was uncomfortable doing business with someone who mixed politics with business. What in the world does 10k worth of window treatments look like? White wooden blinds on all the windows. |
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 29, 2024 0:32:41 GMT
What in the world does 10k worth of window treatments look like? $10,000 is not over the top. We got a quote about 5 years ago to get blinds throughout our house. They were standard double roller blinds (block out on top and see through privacy underneath) in every room, then ceiling to floor sheer S-fold curtains over the blinds - purely for aesthetic appeal - just in the lounge room. Our quote was for $12K or 15k, I can't remember which, and that wasn't even the motorised blinds. |
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 29, 2024 0:35:37 GMT
I just cannot wrap my head around spending 10k on window treatments. I picture anything that costly as being absolutely...not my style. Like, Tara in Gone With the Wind. Almost 30 years ago, we spent about $4K for 8 3” wood shutters. That included 2 half-arches. I can’t even imagine how much that would cost in 2024. I can't wrap my mind around this either. I bought white faux wood blinds from Walmart for my windows. They were like $25 each and look great. My curtains came from Target. I am obviously not the target customer of fancy window treatment stores. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 29, 2024 0:37:02 GMT
Window treatments are ridiculously expensive, which is why we still have the cheap-ass 2" white vinyl blinds (old ones with pull cords!) all over our house.
I just remembered - I'd put it out of my mind but I think I've been one of those business owners that someone left over politics. I had a family in my piano studio that seemed very happy, sweet kids, got along well with them - but after about 3 lessons mom told me that "it wasn't a good fit" and they left. The only thing I can think is that the older boy happened to see the old Beto sign I have in a corner of my studio. He asked about it and I just told him it was an old political sign, and that was that.
But the next day I got the text from mom that they weren't coming back.
I hate to think those sweet kids are being raised in a house where Trump- or Cruz-style hatred is tolerated and applauded, but whatever. That's Texas. I quickly filled their spots from my waiting list and moved on.
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 29, 2024 0:42:55 GMT
I think a business would be crazy in today's political climate to be putting up signs. People don't put up political signs in Australia. If they did, I would still buy from a business if they had a Liberal Party (which, despite the name, is our right wing conservative party) and I needed what they were selling. But if there were two shops side by side, one with a Liberal sign and one with a Labor sign, I'm going to shop at the Labor signed store.
If I lived in the US, I would refuse point blank to shop anywhere that had tRump signs up.
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Post by Zee on Aug 29, 2024 0:48:21 GMT
I would cut down a tree and plane it and make my own wooden blinds before I'd pay someone 10k to have them put in my house.
I could buy so many other things with that, including curtains and sheers for the whole house...
I think the most I spent at once was for IKEA velvet curtains for all 4 windows in the bedroom.
Actually, I forgot that I do have white wooden slat blinds in my bathroom. They were the cheapest ones at Home Depot. I agree, they do look nice, but not whole-house $10k or more nice.
Most of my windows no one can see in anyway unless they were up in the trees.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 29, 2024 1:53:21 GMT
If I saw a Trump sign (or any of the other super MAGA candidates) I would try to avoid shopping at the store. There are plenty of other places to go. However, I am also fully aware that there are likely many big box stores that I shop at that donate to his campaign without announcing it. But if I know, I would be turned off. It's about their values, which is much more than just political differences.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 29, 2024 2:44:12 GMT
I’ll just reiterate what others have said: I’m not out looking into what the political stance is of a business before I go there, but if it’s shoved into my face, and I disagree with it, I’m not supporting that business.
This wasn’t a concern I had ten years ago, but Trump has changed the Republican Party.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 29, 2024 3:03:28 GMT
I have not, and never will, allow politics to keep me from shopping wherever I want. Our country stands for freedom of speech and I consider that a very important right. I deplore Penzey's over-the-top in-your-face politics, but they sell great spices and I am a frequent customer although that exposes me to their annoying and wildly slanted emails. Do I like them? NO! But I like living in a country where they have a right to send them. Where they have a right to believe what they like. I will never try to infringe on someone else's right to make a living and still not think the way I do. So, yes I shop wherever the product I need is offered. Of course companies have the right to post political signs on their property. And business owners are free to have their political views. Just as customers have the right to make decisions based on those political signs. Pre-Trump, it probably would not have mattered to me. Now, if a business posts a Trump sign, they are showing their ethics and values and I have no desire to support them. If a business owner supports tearing down our democracy and taking away rights from women, minorities and the LGBTQ community, I refuse to support their business on moral grounds. |
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Post by gracieplusthree on Aug 29, 2024 12:48:39 GMT
Last election we had a small(like small walk up customers didn't go inside kind of small) hotdog/ sandwich place that had Trump signs all over. We never went because of it. They eventually even sold Trump merch and had flags and tables of the stuff all over. Then they had a Trump flag flying higher than a US flag.
I called him out on it on Facebook. Others joined. He fixed it eventually. But we never went there
Now we have a local bakery that while their items look good. I've saw in pictures thru post online they also have Trump flags all over inside and guns mounted on the wall, for sale I assume. Haven't been and won't..
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Post by gracieplusthree on Aug 29, 2024 12:55:05 GMT
I don't let any political signs bother me. This country is full of hate and I refuse to add to it. I was on vacation in Chattanooga and was at the counter getting ready to pay for my purchase when the cashier a male asked where we were from and when I told him we live close to where Ulysses S.Grant was born in Ohio he became very rude and told me that in Tennessee don't mention his name they hate Grant. I still paid for my purchase my husband however didn't want me too. We both are very proud to live close to such History. Every single day I pray for peace and love and will continue to do so. I live in TN and him saying we hate Grant simply isn't true. Many/most here wouldn't even know who he was or did or anything. |
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 29, 2024 13:17:45 GMT
We went to eat at a new to us restaurant in the small, very conservative town where we live. After we sat down and ordered I saw a cardboard cutout of Trump in the corner and people were taking pictures with it. When our Burgers were served, they had small Trump flags stuck in the buns. The food was very good but I won't go back. I don't think I could have eaten the burger! That is the most over the top thing I've heard. |
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 29, 2024 13:22:51 GMT
We were about to sign a $10K+ contract for window treatments when I remarked that I was glad the rail strike was averted it wouldn't mess with delivery. Owner says "Oh you can't believe anything Biden says." (it was diverted) Silence. "Oh I assume you were conservative." She then went on to tell us she gets all her news from some wrestler on Fox news. This was a couple of years ago. We said, "goodbye" and walked out. She called me later and I told her that I was uncomfortable doing business with someone who mixed politics with business. What in the world does 10k worth of window treatments look like? Not as much as you might think! I have had 2 bids for window treatments in my townhouse, both well over $10k. I only did the bedrooms and one patio door so far. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2024 14:15:43 GMT
I have not seen very many businesses with political signs. If there are any around, I would definitely avoid any that had Maga or Trump signs. Otherwise it probably wouldn't change my mind.
About two years ago we went to dinner with my BIL and his now wife. We went to a restaurant in the town where they lived at the time, about a half hour away from us. They live in a very conservative but otherwise nice area. The restaurant was normal and very nice. However afterwards we went to a bar. Ugh. It had all sorts of Maga type signs and NRA etc. The drinks even had political themed names, The Red Wave, The Republican. BIL and SIL lean, right, and she's definitely MAGA. Anyway we had one drink and I told dh it was time to go!
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Post by hutchfan on Aug 29, 2024 14:35:59 GMT
I don't let any political signs bother me. This country is full of hate and I refuse to add to it. I was on vacation in Chattanooga and was at the counter getting ready to pay for my purchase when the cashier a male asked where we were from and when I told him we live close to where Ulysses S.Grant was born in Ohio he became very rude and told me that in Tennessee don't mention his name they hate Grant. I still paid for my purchase my husband however didn't want me too. We both are very proud to live close to such History. Every single day I pray for peace and love and will continue to do so. I live in TN and him saying we hate Grant simply isn't true. Many/most here wouldn't even know who he was or did or anything. I can assure you I am not lying it happened. It was a shop close to the train. |
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Post by hutchfan on Aug 29, 2024 14:46:08 GMT
I don't let any political signs bother me. This country is full of hate and I refuse to add to it. I was on vacation in Chattanooga and was at the counter getting ready to pay for my purchase when the cashier a male asked where we were from and when I told him we live close to where Ulysses S.Grant was born in Ohio he became very rude and told me that in Tennessee don't mention his name they hate Grant. I still paid for my purchase my husband however didn't want me too. We both are very proud to live close to such History. Every single day I pray for peace and love and will continue to do so. I live in TN and him saying we hate Grant simply isn't true. Many/most here wouldn't even know who he was or did or anything. Grant fought at Lookout Mountain. Many of the stores and people in that area are well aware of him. I shopped at stores there and they carried guite a lot of information, books, memorabilia about Grant and the battle he was in Tennessee and only one shop owner was nasty everyone else was pleasant. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 29, 2024 15:02:52 GMT
I live in TN and him saying we hate Grant simply isn't true. Many/most here wouldn't even know who he was or did or anything. I can assure you I am not lying it happened. It was a shop close to the train. I don’t think she is saying you are lying. She is just saying he isn’t representative of most of the people in the state. |
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Post by hutchfan on Aug 29, 2024 15:09:13 GMT
I can assure you I am not lying it happened. It was a shop close to the train. I don’t think she is saying you are lying. She is just saying he isn’t representative of most of the people in the state. Ok. I probably did read it the wrong way. Every time we were asked where we were from which was in almost every business and tourist place and we explained our area everyone knew who Ulysses S. Grant was. Most people know who he is. |
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Post by jill8909 on Aug 29, 2024 15:51:23 GMT
The other thing I find off putting is inserting religion in business dealings. Please do not assume I share your religion. I do not want bible quotes on my invoices, blessings at the end of an email, or a pitch that you are a faith based business.
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