westiemom
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Aug 14, 2023 4:21:57 GMT
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Post by westiemom on Aug 30, 2024 0:44:19 GMT
Short story long here: I am a SU demonstrator but for myself and friends only. I go once a month to my mom's assisted living facility where 5 women make cards with me. I have all the stamping and cutting done. Essentially, they just assemble the cards. If they want to buy something, which is rare, I give them my discount. I am not in this to make money AT ALL! Well, I guess there is another demonstrator who is also coming there and has a class. She charges $12 for 4 cards and full price for anything they order. They also do all their own stamping with her products, I guess. Remember, there are varying levels of dexterity in these people. In my little group, the average age is about 80 I think.
So the 5 in my little group asked me to come. We meet in someone's little apartment and a different person is the host every time. I give the host six cards from my large stash as a thank you. Apparently, all 5 used to go to the other group. I just found that out Monday. They can't afford to go to two so they like our little group better. So they say anyway. So today I get a phone call from the other demonstrator. She LOUDLY tells me I "stole her customers." I said, "Wait. How did you get my personal cell phone number?" I guess the office at the assisted living facility gave it to her. I don't know how that could happen unless she made up some story about getting in touch with me. Who knows? Then she says, "You aren't supposed to sell things at a discount." I said nothing. She says, "You can't stamp things for them. It's against policy." I said nothing. THEN she says, "You can go to jail for this." I had enough. On my door to He** this is what I said: Enough! First, you don't own those people so I can't "steal" them. Next, I can sell at whatever price I want. Lots of people sell all kinds of MLM at a discount. I am not trying to make money at this. And they don't buy much, which you should know. AND I bought these things myself and I don't allow people to use my stuff and ruin it. You do what you want. I was invited there into someone's home and it is NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS. As far as jail, if you call me again, I will file harassment charges on you. I probably would not file charges but I was just livid. The nerve of this woman! SO....... I will just go on as I was doing. Am I crazy to be so offended? And what is seriously wrong with this woman?
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 30, 2024 0:49:41 GMT
I’d block her number. She sounds unhinged.
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The Birdhouse Lady
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Aug 30, 2024 0:51:17 GMT
First of all, before I read the whole story, I was thinking that that woman was taking advantage of those elderly women who I assume are on a fixed income.
I think what you are doing is honorable. I would be totally pissed if she called me up and said those things to me.
As far as jail time...get real. You can go into any store and totally steal everything under the sun without any (or much) consequences. Does she really think you are going to jail for spending time with a group of elderly ladies doing a craft. Phffft.
That woman needs to get a life.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 30, 2024 0:56:27 GMT
I'd talk to the person who gave out your number if you can find that out. I would do exactly what you are doing and know that it is a kindness for some ladies who probably just love doing it. Ignore the crazy if you can.
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Post by lisae on Aug 30, 2024 1:06:06 GMT
I think you are providing a nice service for people who are often overlooked. If this woman can't make her business work without preying on 80 year olds in assisted living (where they probably spend at least $5000 a month just for to live there), then she should find another line of work.
One thing I would do is ask the facility if they gave out your phone number. Is it the number on your Stamping Up! demonstrator page?
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 30, 2024 1:18:25 GMT
I love your response to her! I mean seriously, "you can go to jail for this!" ?? Hahahahahahahaaaaaa!! You should have suggested that she go to the police station right now to press charges, and then to come back to you to let you know what the cops said! Can you even imagine what the police would say?!
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Aug 30, 2024 1:23:44 GMT
First, I would suggest not responding and block her number. You don’t want anything in writing. Maybe you check the Stamp n Up regulations or ask your upline for advice. Sounds like these people enjoy their time with you
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Post by Merge on Aug 30, 2024 1:30:38 GMT
MLMs make some people crazy. Just block her and walk away. You're doing nothing wrong.
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Post by kluski on Aug 30, 2024 1:36:22 GMT
Thank you for your time in prepping the materials for your group. My aunt was in an AL facility. It was a sad place as many are.
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Post by boys5times on Aug 30, 2024 1:47:03 GMT
What nerve! You were nicer than I would have been.
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Post by Lexica on Aug 30, 2024 2:10:33 GMT
She sounds very greedy to me. Stole her customers? Are we not in a country that abolished slavery many years ago? You cannot steal someone who cannot be owned. That is the funniest part of her tirade to me. These ladies are free to attend whatever group they want to attend. I am happy to see that you are providing this little escape for the women who come to your card making events. I predict that once her bullying ways get out, she is going to lose all of her customers. And deservedly so.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 30, 2024 2:15:35 GMT
As you said you cannot "own" people, everyone is free to patronize whomever or wherever they want.
I would send an email (that way you have documentation-proof) to the facility's administration and letting them know your personal information was given out to a complete stranger without your permission. Make sure to mention that you feel threatened by the lady.
If she tries to contact you again, file a Police report (documentation-proof).
Unstable people cannot be trusted, you never know when they may seek revenge or cause harm.
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Post by katlady on Aug 30, 2024 2:18:43 GMT
She is just mad that the ladies went to your group. I would find out how she got your personal number.
Also, I don't think SU allows demonstrators to pre-stamp their images to include in kits. You may want to check on that.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 30, 2024 12:22:28 GMT
I would have responded the same way you did. She's way out of line.
I would also be furious that someone gave out my number.
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Post by caspad on Aug 30, 2024 12:50:21 GMT
Also, I don't think SU allows demonstrators to pre-stamp their images to include in kits. You may want to check on that. I think the OP can make a very clear case that she's not running an official party or making official kits, she's doing crafts with her mother and her mother's friends with her own supplies including Stampin' Up.
But I am giggling at the image of OP in a sitcom jail setting because she pre-stamped and cut out an image for her mom to use on a greeting card.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 30, 2024 12:50:47 GMT
Also, I don't think SU allows demonstrators to pre-stamp their images to include in kits. You may want to check on that. I'd be curious about this because this sounds like she's bringing her own supplies to do a free craft with these ladies. I'm not even sure this counts as business but just a good samaritan spending craft time with the elderly. It would be no different than if she was doing it with little kids (who surely wouldn't be customers). If she's not charging anything than I don't know that SU has any grounds here to question her. I mean would it be a big deal if I was sitting next to her at a crop as a friend and she gave/loaned me some supplies? Haha caspad, same thought, same time.
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 30, 2024 12:54:35 GMT
I can give you some tips on how to survive prison!! I worked at a prison for awhile. I got the deets.. (is that the word??) haha
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Post by christine58 on Aug 30, 2024 12:58:22 GMT
Also, I don't think SU allows demonstrators to pre-stamp their images to include in kits. You may want to check on that. if I were you I would check with stamping up about their policies, etc., because she could call them and make your life a living hell if she’s so desires. That being said maybe the next time the person calls and tells you that you’re gonna go to jail tell her you’ll be sitting right along side of the owners daughter who’s in jail for hiring a hitman to kill her ex-husband. Just a little side info.
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Post by disneypal on Aug 30, 2024 13:20:47 GMT
Wow! She shouldn't have been given your number in the first place but to have the audacity to call you and say such things - just wow! I don't know much about SU or their policies. But you are right, she doesn't OWN the customers. Good grief.
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Post by Linda on Aug 30, 2024 13:31:14 GMT
(((Hugs))) What a lovely thing you are doing - crafting with your mum and her friends.
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Post by gramasue on Aug 30, 2024 13:58:29 GMT
Also, I don't think SU allows demonstrators to pre-stamp their images to include in kits. You may want to check on that. I think the OP can make a very clear case that she's not running an official party or making official kits, she's doing crafts with her mother and her mother's friends with her own supplies including Stampin' Up.
But I am giggling at the image of OP in a sitcom jail setting because she pre-stamped and cut out an image for her mom to use on a greeting card. Scary looking cell mate - "What are you in for?" westiemom - "Sharing my craft supplies"
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 30, 2024 14:27:43 GMT
That woman is ridiculous. Way back in the olden times when I was teaching classes, I pre-stamped and pre-cut EVERYTHING because it saves a crapton of class time and allows the participants to complete more projects in the allotted time. When I have taken classes from others who didn’t do those things ahead of time, countless people would either stamp on the wrong piece of paper, cut something wrong, smear or smudge something and on and on. It just saves a lot of time and materials to do those parts in advance. If I were you I’d just keep on keeping on, knowing you are doing something really nice for these ladies. I can’t speak to SU’s policies, but I have a very hard time believing that they would come down hard on someone who is doing a kindness for a group of elderly women on a fixed income who may not have the physical dexterity to do all parts of the project themselves. Maybe they would take issue with someone selling their stuff at a discount, but I’d think there is wiggle room there too because I get emails all the time from a consultant who runs monthly discounts and specials. Plus let’s be real, a huge percentage of people who are MLM “consultants” are really just hobbyists doing the minimum they need to do to get their discount for themselves and their friends. That crazy hag can go pound sand. The thing I would be the most chapped by is that someone at the assisted living gave out your personal phone number. I’d want to get to the bottom of that so it didn’t happen again, and I’d block the number of the hag who harassed you.
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Post by melanell on Aug 30, 2024 18:06:18 GMT
I agree with the others who said this isn't an official SU party---this is just a regular get together with a few friends, using your personal supplies. As you said, they rarely ever want to buy anything, anyway.
And jail? Good grief! Melodramatic much??
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 30, 2024 18:27:18 GMT
I'm actually reading this all again, and thinking.. REALLY? Over crafting? I would do what I damn well please. That lady needs to get a life.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 30, 2024 18:29:46 GMT
Other that letting your upline know so she is warned/prepared in case this demo decides to contact her, I would just go about life.
Unless there is a SU judicial system and jail that I don't know about, you have zero concern about going to a county jail or state/federal prison for the crime of prestamping/cutting elements to be assembled into cards and offering discounts.
OK, I would definitely let the front desk/management/activity coordinator at the home know that you were approached by this demo and are unsure how she got your number. Reinforce that it is never to be given out in any circumstance. FWIW, they may not want such a person to continue with classes in their facility.
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Post by pilcas on Aug 30, 2024 18:40:54 GMT
Ignore the crazy B****! Go on as you are, block her #. You are doing an act of kindness.
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westiemom
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Aug 14, 2023 4:21:57 GMT
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Post by westiemom on Aug 30, 2024 18:45:07 GMT
UPDATE:In
The facility got back to me. Apparently the other demonstrator contacted the office and said she needed to get a hold of me to get some product to use in her class (?) Sneaky. I told them if she knew me, she would already have my phone number. This is the second time they have given out my personal phone number in the past five years. They get it by accessing my mom's file. This is clearly a HIPPA violation. I let them know, nicely, that they should only be accessing my mom's file for medical information/emergencies. I don't want to raise much fuss or they will treat my mom poorly. I have seen it happen with others.
I also blocked that demonstrators phone number. I suspect SU does not want demonstrators to pre-stamp images but they also are not going to replace product that is ruined in classes or gatherings. Until they do, I will continue to do what I am doing. Besides, my mom stamps at least half of them for me and she likes doing it.
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Post by questioning on Aug 30, 2024 19:09:28 GMT
I'm sorry you got this aggravation while tying to do something nice. It definitely sounds like a personal event rather than a SU Demo. I'd give your upline a call so she's not caught off guard. You had a great response about stealing customers! westiemom I hope the Peas replies gave you some laughs, sitting in jail with the Gardner's daughter really got me
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Post by Lexica on Aug 30, 2024 19:18:03 GMT
I would be really upset about the office giving out my phone number. I would ask them to put a note in my mom’s file that they are NEVER to give out your information, period. If they are in doubt, they can contact you themselves and let you know who is requesting your information. I understand not wanting to make things uncomfortable for your mother, though. I’m sure you can word your request kindly, not pointing a finger at them for screwing up but more as an if this should happen again, do this suggestion.
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Post by Zee on Aug 30, 2024 19:31:13 GMT
I think you handled it perfectly! The nerve! I did literally LOL at her telling you you could go to jail for that. 🤣🤣
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