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Post by onelasttime on Sept 5, 2024 21:06:48 GMT
I’m pretty sure those foreign taxes he’s talking about are tariffs. Even a pet rock would understand the cost will be passed on to the consumer. As far as I can determine he, like that other idiot, don’t have any plan or intention of coming up with any plan when it comes to child care.
Why single this particular ramble of nonsense? Because I still haven’t forgiven the Democrats and what they did to President Biden. Don’t get me wrong, I fully support Kamala Harris, but President Biden didn’t deserve what the Democrats did to him over one bad performance, especially compared to this shithead who has one every.single.he.opens.his.mouth. Every time. But yet he continues to get a pass.
If anyone should be sitting in an old folks home drooling and speaking gibberish to a blank wall it’s this guy. I mean he’s almost at that point now.
I don’t think I will ever understand why people thought this guy should be president the first time, let alone a second time after the hell he put this country through the first time.
Rant over, chalk it up to the heat. In all the years I lived in this part of CA I don’t remember it being this hot (90-100+degrees) for as many days as it’s been this summer. And I have AC. I am a wimp!
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”Donald Trump was asked today if he would commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable, and if so, what specific legislation he would advance.
This is an unedited transcript of his response:
Well, I would do that, and we're sitting down, and I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so, uh, impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that, because, look, child care is child care is. Couldn't, you know, there's something, you have to have it – in this country you have to have it.
But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to — but they'll get used to it very quickly – and it's not gonna stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Uh, those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including child care, that it's going to take care.
We're gonna have - I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with, uh, the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I'm talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, uh, that I just told you about.
We're gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care, uh, is talked about as being expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we'll be taking in. We're going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we'll worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other people, but we're going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It's about Make America Great Again, we have to do it because right now we're a failing nation, so we'll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question. Thank you.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 5, 2024 21:11:57 GMT
He is not functioning well mentally at this point. That is clear. It is unfortunate that folks haven't made as big of a deal out of his obvious mental decline.
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Post by CeeScraps on Sept 5, 2024 21:12:27 GMT
Ok I can’t even get through the transcript.
He’s just a Doofus…….
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 5, 2024 21:20:52 GMT
This from Kamala HQ ”Trump repeatedly forgets who he is running against: “I can’t imagine New Hampshire voting for him... Anybody in New Hampshire who votes for Biden...” Prompted this response… ”Sure is a lucky break for Trump that the age and cognitive fitness of the candidates by random coincidence stopped being an important issue on July 21” x.com/lemieuxlgm/status/1831522622057918527?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 5, 2024 22:28:45 GMT
Look what popped up today in my emails…. Worth a read. IMO.
Paul Waldman…
”The Real Reason Reporters Won't Talk About Trump's Mental Decline”
It's not because they want him to win.
”When Donald Trump began his run for president in 2015, he was 69 years old. Should he win this election, he will be 82 when (or if) he leaves office at the end of a second term. He is clearly suffering from at least some age-related cognitive decline, as most people do at his age: His speeches have become more rambling and less coherent, he’s unable to give clear answers even to the most softball questions served up by friendly interviewers, he regularly forgets that he isn’t still running against Joe Biden, and his lies have grown so preposterous that it’s almost impossible to imagine even his most devoted supporters believing them. And like many elderly people who are aware of their lapses, he has developed ways of covering for them; in his case it usually involves a quick change of topic or a joke, so listeners have to struggle to keep up with the rhetorical stream and have no time to dwell on the weird thing he said a moment ago.
All that may have occurred to a degree years ago, but as time has gone on the lapses have become more frequent and glaring. So why do the elite media seem so allergic to talking about Trump’s age and mental fitness, when the evidence of an addled mind is so plain to see? Some believe the answer is “They want Trump to win,” but that’s not really what’s at work here. Whether they want Trump to win is itself a complicated question that I may address later, but that isn’t why they are ignoring the question of Trump’s cognitive state.
In short, they think Trump acts crazy, but they have decided it’s all an act, and that’s as far as they need to probe.
Nevertheless, nearly every Trump appearance provides new examples to suggest that he is deeply unwell. Let’s take just one, from a recent event with the far-right Moms for Liberty, where he claimed that schools are performing surprise gender-reassignment surgeries against the will of both students and parents. “The transgender thing is incredible, think of it,” he said. “Your kid goes to school and comes home a few days later with an operation. The school decides what’s going to happen with your child. And many of these childs [sic], 15 years later say, what the hell happened? Who did this to me?”
That isn’t just hyperbole, it’s positively unhinged, in a manner so extreme that no one could defend it as the product of a sound mind. So the question is, why aren’t news organizations running screaming headlines and lengthy TV stories asking “Is Trump mentally fit to be president?”
Remember when the president’s mental state mattered?
You can find plenty of commentary on the left about Donald Trump’s obvious cognitive decline, but the elite media has shown a pronounced lack of interest. Yet for the last couple of years, they were positively obsessed with Joe Biden’s mental acuity. They never stopped thinking about it and talking about it and writing about it, and when eventually it became impossible for even Biden’s allies to deny that he was no longer able to adequately handle the rigors of the campaign and withdrew, the reporters took a quiet victory lap. See, we were right all along, they said, both about Biden himself and about the importance of examining any president’s cognitive capacities.
Except they no longer seem to believe the second part, that it’s part of their job to keep a close eye on whether a current or potential president has the mental wherewithal to do the job. If Trump says something particularly vulgar about Kamala Harris or changes his position on abortion for the fifth time this week they’ll pen stories about it, but if he simply shows that his mind is deteriorating, they don’t find it worthy of note, let alone a week of front-page headlines. Editors are not assigning teams of reporters to get to the bottom of Trump’s mental state. Elected Republicans are not being quizzed about it every time they talk to a journalist.
So it turns out that reporters do not hold a universally applied principle saying that presidents and presidential aspirants should be constantly assessed for their mental capacity. That was just a Biden thing, because reporters create a unique set of criteria to judge each candidate, always claiming that they are applying the same standards to all. They construct and maintain a short and distinct list of character flaws for each candidate, then interpret everything that happens during the campaign through the frame created by those flaws.
This is not a new problem. My co-author Kathleen Hall Jamieson and I wrote about it in a book we published in 2003, The Press Effect: Politicians, Journalists, and the Stories That Shape the Political World, in which we examined the coverage of the 2000 presidential campaign. In that race, since Al Gore was supposedly a liar and George W. Bush was supposedly dumb, Gore was free to say dumb things (as he did every now and again, and as we all do from time to time) without any reporters bothering to take note, let alone rush to tell their editors they had a big story. Likewise, Bush was free to lie without any of the journalists covering him writing stories about how he might in fact be a profoundly dishonest character, and that might have implications — which it did, oh boy did it ever — for the kind of president he’d be. The character flaw frame for each candidate might as well have been cast in iron.
In the same way, “old” was the knock on Joe Biden, but not on Donald Trump. Which meant that every time Biden appeared in public, reporters closely scrutinized his walk, the sound of his voice, his affect, and both what he said and how he said it. If he forgot a name, struggled with a word, or sounded raspy, they were sure to include those details in their stories as evidence that “new questions are being raised” about his age.
That doesn’t mean Biden’s age wasn’t a legitimate story, but it did mean that nothing bearing on the question of whether he was mentally fit would be ignored. But “Is Trump too old?” has never been a question reporters asked. There are other character flaws that frame their coverage — whether Trump is cruel and petty and easily distracted and corrupt, sure. But his age has not been something to which they’ve given much thought.
How “Trump says crazy stuff” lets him off the hook
That isn’t to say the the average political reporter thinks Trump’s cognitive abilities are top-notch (“Person! Woman! Man! Camera! TV!”). It’s just not a question they ask, and certainly not one they think their coverage should revolve around. In fact, “Trump says crazy stuff!” serves as both an excuse not to report the things he says and to describe them in ways that divert attention from his mental state. Sometimes it’s the justification for dismissing his more disturbing comments (“What else is new, Trump said something crazy, we’re not going to do a story on that”), and sometimes it provides an interpretive structure in which the comments are reported.
When it’s the latter, the prevailing frame — something like “On Campaign Trail, Trump Makes Provocative Statement” — interprets the things he says as entirely performative. The deranged things that come out of his mouth are assumed to be a strategic choice, and the reporter’s job is to explain the strategy behind it, not ask whether the man is losing his mind.
So when he says that schools are performing gender reassignment surgeries, we get “Trump leans into culture wars with Moms for Liberty at D.C. summit,” “Trump questions acceptance of transgender people as he courts his base at Moms for Liberty gathering,” and “Trump amps up culture war agenda with Moms for Liberty appearance.” It would have been far more accurate for the headlines to read “Increasingly detached from reality, Trump spins bizarre tales,” or “Trump’s transgender fantasies raise new questions about mental state.” But they didn’t.
I say all this by way of explanation, but there is nothing about it that can’t change if the elite news media simply decide to change it. They can judge candidates by the same standards; if mental fitness matters for one, then it matters for all. They can treat Trump not just as a performer doing an act, but as someone who could be even more dangerous than he already is if he continues to decompensate. They just have to decide to tell the truth.”
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 5, 2024 22:37:59 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 5, 2024 22:44:11 GMT
I think part of the reason that reporters don’t talk about Trump’s mental acuity and these rambling rants is that they happen so often that it’s hard to stick to one specific example. He has also always done it, or at least for a very long time, so it isn’t necessarily new. However, I think the bigger issue is that he does have mental health problems. It’s much more acceptable in society to address someone’s age and say that Biden is showing signs of aging. But to really call out Trump’s issues brings up a lot of other sticky topics like personality disorders, projection, gaslighting, compulsive lying, etc—with old age added in. I can kind of see why people don’t “go there” when really analyzing his behavior. However, I don’t understand the type of headlines in the previous post that try to make sense of the nonsensical.
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 5, 2024 22:46:20 GMT
I say all this by way of explanation, but there is nothing about it that can’t change if the elite news media simply decide to change it. They can judge candidates by the same standards; if mental fitness matters for one, then it matters for all. They can treat Trump not just as a performer doing an act, but as someone who could be even more dangerous than he already is if he continues to decompensate. They just have to decide to tell the truth.” If he's correct in this, those people are just spitting data, rather than being journalists.
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 5, 2024 22:48:53 GMT
But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to — but they'll get used to it very quickly – and it's not gonna stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Uh, those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including child care, that it's going to take care. He gets away with this incoherent babble to the point that he never actually answers any questions. The press needs to do better! And, whatever happened to "the follow-up question"? Anybody still have enough backbone for those?
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Post by peabay on Sept 5, 2024 22:52:27 GMT
If someone here admits that that makes sense, I'm very, very concerned about them.
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Post by pinklady on Sept 5, 2024 23:18:49 GMT
If you were so so adamant the Biden was mentally unfit and you are not shouting the same thing about Trump from the rooftops, you are a big fucking hypocrite sucked into a cult who needs deprogramming stat.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 5, 2024 23:31:03 GMT
This doesn't make more sense .. Vance now has offered a solution to help parents with the expense of childcare... x.com/Acyn/status/1831500812897677597In other words, said U.S. Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D-Calif.): "You're on your own. You ain't getting shit from us. Call grandma." *** "Maybe Grandma and Grandma still work," said author Jacie Floyd on the social media platform X. "Maybe Grandma and Grandpa have health issues. Maybe Grandma and Grandpa live 1,000 miles away. Maybe Grandma and Grandpa don't want to. The [Republican Party] shouldn’t be planning Grandma and Grandpa's retirement for them." www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-s-solution-to-childcare-crisis-maybe-grandpa-or-grandma-wants-to-help/
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Post by Merge on Sept 6, 2024 0:00:10 GMT
Trump is good for the media. He sells subscriptions and generates clicks. The media - even the media that leans left - wants him around for as long as possible because he puts food on their tables. That's why they don't talk about his obvious mental decline.
If our political landscape goes back to being fairly boring and routine, all media suffers financially.
Isn't that lovely?
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Post by Merge on Sept 6, 2024 0:09:11 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2024 0:49:55 GMT
Who will his childcare people be, others mother's who also will need childcare, or all those "childless cat ladies" who will indoctrinate all the christian children?? I was working full time when my DGSs would have needed childcare...
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 6, 2024 1:01:24 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 6, 2024 1:45:38 GMT
Another one who doesn’t “get it” Brooklyndad… ”I challenge anyone to actually find an answer to the question "What specific legislation will you advance to make child care more affordable" in this incoherent nonsense from trump. It's a serious issue that deserves more than "childcare is childcare." x.com/mmpadellan/status/1831836209364291701?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 6, 2024 4:05:22 GMT
Another double standard. When she is seen in public with him she looks at trump like she can’t stand him. I guess that happens when you marry someone for their money.
Stephen Robinson…
”If Jill Biden was no longer even maintaining the illusion that she lived with her husband, that would be a major story. Same with Doug Emhoff ghosting on Kamala Harris. The media has apparently just given a pass on the Melania issue.”
“The mainstream media is also mostly ignoring Trump's advanced age, but he's 78 and his wife is 24 years younger. That puts the separation in quite another light.”
”If Jill Biden chose to live in a different state from Joe Biden, the media framing would be "she's abandoned her elderly husband." It's very rare that Trump's age is ever framed in a way that presents vulnerability.”
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 6, 2024 4:17:21 GMT
Bill Carter…. ”I’m past point of understanding why coverage of most abnormal candidate in US history is so bent on normalization. But there’s no argument anymore. They’re doing it. Even tho I’m sure they recognize disaster will befall their country if he’s elected. The why utterly baffles me.” x.com/wjcarter/status/1831828863422538170?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by sueg on Sept 6, 2024 8:06:54 GMT
I think part of the reason that reporters don’t talk about Trump’s mental acuity and these rambling rants is that they happen so often that it’s hard to stick to one specific example. He has also always done it, or at least for a very long time, so it isn’t necessarily new One of my uncles had dementia. The thing was, he had always been the family 'clown', the one who said silly (and usually funny) things, since he was young. It made it difficult t first to recognize the dementia - for a long time, it was brushed off as 'Danny being Danny' - like at my dad's 80th birthday party (uncle was 78 at the time) when he made a comment like 'everyone says this is my brother - I'm not so sure.' It's something he would have said at 40 (and it would have been funny then, as they looked like twins!), but it soon became a bit 'is he joking or losing it' I think in some ways Trump is like this - he's said ridiculous things for so long, and lied so often, it's hard to tell what's a continuation of that, and what is real decline. To be clear - I feel he has crossed the line into decline, and very likely a form of dementia.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 6, 2024 10:46:31 GMT
Bill Carter…. ”I’m past point of understanding why coverage of most abnormal candidate in US history is so bent on normalization. But there’s no argument anymore. They’re doing it. Even tho I’m sure they recognize disaster will befall their country if he’s elected. The why utterly baffles me.” x.com/wjcarter/status/1831828863422538170?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwThe long winded article above is a waste of space and doesn’t really actually address the issue. The issue is the same as it always has been IOKIYAR It’s that simple Accused of fraud no problem if your R convicted of fraud no problem. Screw up if your R nothing at all happens. None of them are ever held accountable
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Post by agengr2004 on Sept 6, 2024 12:11:22 GMT
Let's be honest here, the reason they don't have an answer for childcare is that they don't think we should work. Period.
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Post by Merge on Sept 6, 2024 12:24:04 GMT
Let's be honest here, the reason they don't have an answer for childcare is that they don't think we should work. Period. Absolutely. And you know what? I would have loved to have stayed home with my kids longer than I did. We've not built an economy that allows for very many single-income homes, especially for younger adults of childbearing age. We couldn't really afford for me to stay home while I did, but we also couldn't afford to pay for two in daycare on what I was making. I went back to work as soon as my oldest was old enough for kindergarten and started on paying off the debt we'd accumulated while I was not working. (Trust me, we were not living high on the hog. My kids were mostly dressed from Goodwill and I learned to cook from scratch at home. No vacations. My kids never went to Disney or anywhere but Grandma and Grandpa's house, which was a 15-hour drive away. Even had they lived closer, both of my parents still worked full time and couldn't be our childcare system. FIL had moderate dementia by that point and MIL had all she could do to take care of him.) And as long as Trump, Vance, and the GOP insist on maintaining the systems that benefit the very wealthy at the expense of the working and middle classes, very few parents will be able to stay home with their kids (or grandparents or aunties stay home to help, for that matter). Affordable childcare is a necessary component of a modern capitalist economy (just like excellent, free public schools should be, but that's another thread). They want people to have kids, but they make it impossible for many people to afford good childcare or schooling. They want women to stay home, but most families can't afford that, either. And I do have to wonder how well our economy would fare if every working mother suddenly left her job.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2024 22:10:33 GMT
The single childless aunt was the one who stayed home and took care of the elderly parents. Or she was a teacher taking care of everybody's kids.. But JD Vance doesn't recognize the 'hers' as valuable members of our society.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 6, 2024 22:20:51 GMT
Let's be honest here, the reason they don't have an answer for childcare is that they don't think we should work. Period. Absolutely. And you know what? I would have loved to have stayed home with my kids longer than I did. We've not built an economy that allows for very many single-income homes, especially for younger adults of childbearing age. We couldn't really afford for me to stay home while I did, but we also couldn't afford to pay for two in daycare on what I was making. I went back to work as soon as my oldest was old enough for kindergarten and started on paying off the debit we'd accumulated while I was not working. (Trust me, we were not living high on the hog. My kids were mostly dressed from Goodwill and I learned to cook from scratch at home. No vacations. My kids never went to Disney or anywhere but Grandma and Grandpa's house, which was a 15-hour drive away. Even had they lived closer, both of my parents still worked full time and couldn't be our childcare system. FIL had moderate dementia by that point and MIL had all she could do to take care of him.) And as long as Trump, Vance, and the GOP insist on maintaining the systems that benefit the very wealthy at the expense of the working and middle classes, very few parents will be able to stay home with their kids (or grandparents or aunties stay home to help, for that matter). Affordable childcare is a necessary component of a modern capitalist economy (just like excellent, free public schools should be, but that's another thread). They want people to have kids, but they make it impossible for many people to afford good childcare or schooling. They want women to stay home, but most families can't afford that, either. And I do have to wonder how well our economy would fare if every working mother suddenly left her job. There is also the part where while many nations have awesome social safety nets such that if you were home with your kids and your husband left you or got sick or whatever, you and your kids would be OK. I think everyone should make the decisions that are best for their families, but/and after watching my own SAHM try and fail to leave my father because she could not support herself and he didn’t make enough to support two households, I would never personally feel secure not working.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 7, 2024 1:42:52 GMT
yeah that trickle down really did not work.
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Post by arielsmom on Sept 7, 2024 2:27:53 GMT
When I worked as an OT, and my patient rambled on like that, I would request they visit their physician pronto to be checked out. That word salad is not normal language skills.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 7, 2024 2:58:34 GMT
The other thing that Vance mentioned was training needed to provide daycare. He rambled a bit. I think he meant Licensed daycare. I think he thinks we don’t need that. He mentioned red tape. I think he believes that anyone could take care of kids and that we don’t need licensing which is so not true. Like others have said not everyone has a relative to take care of their children. The reasons are varied.
Sort of like let’s get rid of the FDA, CDC, FBI and the long list of others.
There needs to be over site - background checks. Limits on the number of children. Safety inspections etc.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 7, 2024 3:18:09 GMT
The other thing that Vance mentioned was training needed to provide daycare. He rambled a bit. I think he meant Licensed daycare. I think he thinks we don’t need that. He mentioned red tape. I think he believes that anyone could take care of kids and that we don’t need licensing which is so not true. Like others have said not everyone has a relative to take care of their children. The reasons are varied. Sort of like let’s get rid of the FDA, CDC, FBI and the long list of others. There needs to be over site - background checks. Limits on the number of children. Safety inspections etc. But I have just realized something... No birth control means many more children, much bigger families. THAT makes their Project 2025 goals possible.. join the era of Duggars.....?? The older ones raise the younger ones... If they die, there are more arriving next year..
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