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Post by workingclassdog on Sept 6, 2024 21:53:06 GMT
I haven’t left feedback yet but I did see a previous buyer of theirs leave this for feedback “Just a suggestion-I would highly recommend that you leave out the Jesus literature. Many buyers, including myself do not appreciate having your beliefs pushed on them.” So they are aware people don’t like it but they keep putting it people’s packages anyway. And they will probably continue to do so cause that is their 'mission' or calling. Personally if I ran a business, I would keep religion and politics out of it. No need to drive any business away by pushing my own agenda. My guy who fixes/upkeeps our sprinkler system is very involved in a local church here and he always gives me a pamphlet. I just take it and say thanks. it doesn't bother me, and he doesn't push it, but I don't personally like that church, not my cup of tea. If it was a pamphlet from the 7th Day Adventist or the biker bar down the street, I just say thanks and as long as they don't push it I don't care. The only thing that would make me not use their services would be specifically Trump agenda stuff, neo-Nazi, hatred. I would just not use them again. I have never come across any of this though. |
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 6, 2024 22:11:11 GMT
We tend to think of Christian proselytizing as benign and no big deal because Christians are the majority and mainstream. It's not benign. It's disrespectful at best and threatening at worst. People need to be told to knock it off.  100%  ETA In the past I would have rolled my eyes and recycled. I really do think this encourages proselytizing because the assumption is everyone is okay with it if you don't hear otherwise. So now I would/do say something. I’m interested in the “never buy from them again” comments. How often are you really buying multiple times from the same seller on a platform like eBay? I've never repeat bought from a seller on eBay (mostly because I rarely use it), but had this same thought. Then talked to DH and he has repeat bought or bought through personally recommended sellers because his purchases (tools/electronics) tend to have a high dubious origin problem and he wants no involvement in fencing stolen goods. |
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Post by Miss Ang on Sept 7, 2024 18:50:12 GMT
Would you be as equally annoyed by a hand written note that said she hoped you had a good day? What if it was a card with an inspirational quote? What if it was a coupon for a free sample of alcohol?
If no other personalized note or gift item would offend you equally, I say you're irritation is misplaced.
You aren't a Christian and that's certainly your choice not to be. She obviously is and it's her choice to be. She's sharing what she believes to be something that would better your life. She isn't condemning you or berating you; it's a piece of paper. She knows that a customer may read it and they may not. Unless she's following up with emails or additional mail to push her beliefs on you, just toss it and be done with it.
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Post by Merge on Sept 7, 2024 19:06:30 GMT
Would you be as equally annoyed by a hand written note that said she hoped you had a good day? What if it was a card with an inspirational quote? What if it was a coupon for a free sample of alcohol? If no other personalized note or gift item would offend you equally, I say you're irritation is misplaced. You aren't a Christian and that's certainly your choice not to be. She obviously is and it's her choice to be. She's sharing what she believes to be something that would better your life. She isn't condemning you or berating you; it's a piece of paper. She knows that a customer may read it and they may not. Unless she's following up with emails or additional mail to push her beliefs on you, just toss it and be done with it. Sorry, I disagree. In a country where some Christians are working hard to legislate their beliefs on the rest of us, and where antisemitism and anti-Muslim rhetoric and actions are on the rise, a tract is just inappropriate. Its not remotely the same as "have a nice day." Again, we've all been culturally trained to see Christian proselytizing as benign, but it's really not. We need to look at this differently in my opinion. ETA: Consider that the recipient may have been a victim of abuse in the church. Or that she may reside in a state where the religious have removed her bodily autonomy and rendered her a second class citizen, and she may have suffered a medical emergency as a result. Or that her synagogue or mosque may have been targeted by Christian extremists. IMO people who want to share their religion need to think less about what feels good to them - or what they're hoping to sell - and more about what the recipient's feelings may be. |
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Post by gar on Sept 7, 2024 19:46:48 GMT
Would you be as equally annoyed by a hand written note that said she hoped you had a good day? What if it was a card with an inspirational quote? What if it was a coupon for a free sample of alcohol? If no other personalized note or gift item would offend you equally, I say you're irritation is misplaced. You aren't a Christian and that's certainly your choice not to be. She obviously is and it's her choice to be. She's sharing what she believes to be something that would better your life. She isn't condemning you or berating you; it's a piece of paper. She knows that a customer may read it and they may not. Unless she's following up with emails or additional mail to push her beliefs on you, just toss it and be done with it. No. That’s not how it is. Religion is an intensely personal part of someone’s identity and you/the person sending the tract is assuming the receiver needs or would benefit from exposure to the *sender’s* choice of religion. How arrogant! |
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Post by scrapmaven on Sept 8, 2024 3:39:49 GMT
I would just get rid of the unwanted literature and if the item arrived as described and all went well, except for the fear mongering literature then I'd leave 5 stars, because my feedback rating is far more important than their recruitment tactics.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 8, 2024 7:01:40 GMT
I'm a Christian, so she would be preaching to the converted. I do feel sad that people are so very up in arms about other people's religions though. A pamphlet on Christianity shouldn't ruin someone's day any more than the leaflets on double glazing, curtains, retirement housing or baby items that I get - sometimes in the same envelope - or Jehovah's Witnesses stuff. If it's not your thing, recycle it. If it is useful to someone, then it's a good thing, like any advertising.
But then I suppose we don't get politics or religion pushed down our throats (except at election time) in the UK as seems to happen in the US. I can see why it would be more than irritating if you were bombarded with it. Christians are taught to go out and spread the word, but that's not the way to do it.
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Post by gar on Sept 8, 2024 8:52:05 GMT
I'm a Christian, so she would be preaching to the converted. I do feel sad that people are so very up in arms about other people's religions though. A pamphlet on Christianity shouldn't ruin someone's day any more than the leaflets on double glazing, curtains, retirement housing or baby items that I get - sometimes in the same envelope - or Jehovah's Witnesses stuff. If it's not your thing, recycle it. If it is useful to someone, then it's a good thing, like any advertising. But then I suppose we don't get politics or religion pushed down our throats (except at election time) in the UK as seems to happen in the US. I can see why it would be more than irritating if you were bombarded with it. Christians are taught to go out and spread the word, but that's not the way to do it. It wouldn't ruin my day obviously but it would be irritating for a few moments as it is when JW's knock at the door. I am pretty anti organised religion though so maybe that's the difference. And as you say - it's 'other people's religion' so enjoy it, fill your boots, but I can't believe there are many people who aren't aware of Christianity if they wish to seek it out and so no one should assume it would be welcomed by someone else, a random person - when they have no idea of their beliefs, circumstances, back story etc. Sorry - it's a bit of a hot button for me apparently. |
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Post by hop2 on Sept 8, 2024 10:48:40 GMT
I think I’ve been forced into my cranky old lady phase a bit early. I would leave a lower rating and say why. I’m tired of Christianity being pushed at me. I’m tired of it attempting to run my life. Jews do not have prostheletyzing pamphlets 🤣 unless your the Jews for Jesus people it would be pretty hard to slip one into a box. I’d be pretty annoyed about Zionist propaganda though. But I’ve become crabby about people pushing their views on me. I’m even more touchy about people pushing their views at my children. Just complete the transaction sans your bullshit.
If there were reviews for Mormons or jehovah witness coming to my door I’d leave a bad review there too.
I’ve become crabby about people wasting my time. I can waste my own time well enough I don’t need them to try to waste it for me.
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Post by melanell on Sept 8, 2024 12:37:14 GMT
I'm trying to think if I've ever received anything in a package aside from a sticker, postcard, Ebay coupon code, or thank-you note, and I don't recall it ever happening. And I do buy from Ebay pretty regularly. So hopefully that indicates that perhaps this is still a rather unusual practice.
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Post by lainey on Sept 8, 2024 15:17:59 GMT
Religion has no place in a business transaction, you can believe whatever you like within yourself and your particular place of worship but don't push it on other people.
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Post by Merge on Sept 8, 2024 15:21:27 GMT
Religion has no place in a business transaction, you can believe whatever you like within yourself and your particular place of worship but don't push it on other people. There are restaurants here that print bible verses on their hamburger wrappers, and in my area we have a carwash that is festooned with plaques with bible verses and Christian "inspirational" stuff, but forewarned is forearmed and we can avoid patronizing those places if we wish. So that's fine with me. But being ambushed by proselytizing during a business transaction is, I agree, inappropriate. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 8, 2024 15:23:47 GMT
I'm a Christian, so she would be preaching to the converted. I do feel sad that people are so very up in arms about other people's religions though. A pamphlet on Christianity shouldn't ruin someone's day any more than the leaflets on double glazing, curtains, retirement housing or baby items that I get - sometimes in the same envelope - or Jehovah's Witnesses stuff. If it's not your thing, recycle it. If it is useful to someone, then it's a good thing, like any advertising. But then I suppose we don't get politics or religion pushed down our throats (except at election time) in the UK as seems to happen in the US. I can see why it would be more than irritating if you were bombarded with it. Christians are taught to go out and spread the word, but that's not the way to do it. No one is up in arms over another's religion. What people are up in arms about is a religious pamphlet being sent with an ordered it. You have no idea what the other person believe and your religion isn't better than theirs. Even if they are a non believer You also have no clue if they were abused or harmed in church or by a church. I don't care what you believe as long as you and your (what you believe to be) righteous religion doesn't get to dictate how I and others live. That's the problem. These Christians who think they are better and the truth and the right and that everyone needs to follow and be like them. No. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 8, 2024 15:24:42 GMT
Religion has no place in a business transaction, you can believe whatever you like within yourself and your particular place of worship but don't push it on other people. There are restaurants here that print bible verses on their hamburger wrappers, and in my area we have a carwash that is festooned with plaques with bible verses and Christian "inspirational" stuff, but forewarned is forearmed and we can avoid patronizing those places if we wish. So that's fine with me. But being ambushed by proselytizing during a business transaction is, I agree, inappropriate. Bottom of In n Outs cups have it. Doesn't bother me. But a pamphlet? No. |
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Post by pilcas on Sept 8, 2024 15:30:03 GMT
Would you be as equally annoyed by a hand written note that said she hoped you had a good day? What if it was a card with an inspirational quote? What if it was a coupon for a free sample of alcohol? If no other personalized note or gift item would offend you equally, I say you're irritation is misplaced. You aren't a Christian and that's certainly your choice not to be. She obviously is and it's her choice to be. She's sharing what she believes to be something that would better your life. She isn't condemning you or berating you; it's a piece of paper. She knows that a customer may read it and they may not. Unless she's following up with emails or additional mail to push her beliefs on you, just toss it and be done with it. There is a big difference between have a nice day and religious propaganda. As somebody said before when Christianity is actually working to harm women, I as a woman do not welcome propaganda. Religion should have no place in a business transaction. |
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Post by Merge on Sept 8, 2024 15:31:24 GMT
I'm a Christian, so she would be preaching to the converted. I do feel sad that people are so very up in arms about other people's religions though. A pamphlet on Christianity shouldn't ruin someone's day any more than the leaflets on double glazing, curtains, retirement housing or baby items that I get - sometimes in the same envelope - or Jehovah's Witnesses stuff. If it's not your thing, recycle it. If it is useful to someone, then it's a good thing, like any advertising. But then I suppose we don't get politics or religion pushed down our throats (except at election time) in the UK as seems to happen in the US. I can see why it would be more than irritating if you were bombarded with it. Christians are taught to go out and spread the word, but that's not the way to do it. No one is up in arms over another's religion. What people are up in arms about is a religious pamphlet being sent with an ordered it. You have no idea what the other person believe and your religion isn't better than theirs. Even if they are a non believer You also have no clue if they were abused or harmed in church or by a church. I don't care what you believe as long as you and your (what you believe to be) righteous religion doesn't get to dictate how I and others live. That's the problem. These Christians who think they are better and the truth and the right and that everyone needs to follow and be like them. No. Agree. Exaggerating what is being said (no one is "up in arms") and trying to say it's about someone else's religion are deflections. No one here is saying that people shouldn't believe what they believe. No one is saying their day is ruined. No one is even suggesting that people be stopped in some way from including their religious pamphlet. We're just saying it's bad form. It's not innocuous to many who might receive it. It's impolite to suggest that someone who just paid you money also needs the benefit of your superior religious beliefs. |
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Post by katlady on Sept 8, 2024 15:51:01 GMT
There are restaurants here that print bible verses on their hamburger wrappers, and in my area we have a carwash that is festooned with plaques with bible verses and Christian "inspirational" stuff, but forewarned is forearmed and we can avoid patronizing those places if we wish. So that's fine with me. But being ambushed by proselytizing during a business transaction is, I agree, inappropriate. Bottom of In n Outs cups have it. Doesn't bother me. But a pamphlet? No. Yes, with In-N-Out you have to look for it. They are on the bottoms of their packaging (cups, French fry box, bag), in tiny print too. It is why I don’t like to shop at Hobby Lobby. |
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Post by hop2 on Sept 8, 2024 16:02:15 GMT
No one is up in arms over another's religion. What people are up in arms about is a religious pamphlet being sent with an ordered it. You have no idea what the other person believe and your religion isn't better than theirs. Even if they are a non believer You also have no clue if they were abused or harmed in church or by a church. I don't care what you believe as long as you and your (what you believe to be) righteous religion doesn't get to dictate how I and others live. That's the problem. These Christians who think they are better and the truth and the right and that everyone needs to follow and be like them. No. Agree. Exaggerating what is being said (no one is "up in arms") and trying to say it's about someone else's religion are deflections. No one here is saying that people shouldn't believe what they believe. No one is saying their day is ruined. No one is even suggesting that people be stopped in some way from including their religious pamphlet. We're just saying it's bad form. It's not innocuous to many who might receive it. It's impolite to suggest that someone who just paid you money also needs the benefit of your superior religious beliefs. Believe what you believe - in your home - even at your place of business - I can choose not to come. But keep your religion out of my home and a boxed delivery to my home shouldn’t be proselytizing I also take offense to knocking on my door specifically with your religion |
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Post by cecilia on Sept 8, 2024 17:14:38 GMT
I wouldn't do that to a customer, and I even have had religious books listed/sold. At least if bought they willingly wanted the book.
I had people give me religious pamphlets when I worked at Walmart. I thanked them and as soon as they left I threw it away
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Post by gar on Sept 8, 2024 17:22:33 GMT
I had people give me religious pamphlets when I worked at Walmart. I thanked them and as soon as they left I threw it away Offering you a pamphlet in that way is very different though - you’re in a public place and you can choose not to take one. Sending one into someone’s home unbidden is rude and very presumptuous. |
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Post by katlady on Sept 8, 2024 17:29:31 GMT
I had people give me religious pamphlets when I worked at Walmart. I thanked them and as soon as they left I threw it away Just curious if Walmart has any policy about that. Could you refuse anything a customer gives you or do you have to accept it with a smile on your face? |
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Post by don on Sept 8, 2024 18:04:29 GMT
The thing is, you are not buying from eBay, you are buying from somebody just like somebody in your neighborhood who may have a religious duty like Morman or Jehovah Witness.
Do you have a Chic-fil-A in your area? How many fast food chains close on Sunday. Also there's Hobby Lobby who close on Sunday.
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Post by gar on Sept 8, 2024 18:20:20 GMT
The thing is, you are not buying from eBay, you are buying from somebody just like somebody in your neighborhood who may have a religious duty like Morman or Jehovah Witness. Do you have a Chic-fil-A in your area? How many fast food chains close on Sunday. Also there's Hobby Lobby who close on Sunday. Yes, but every business is run by ‘somebody’. Wherever the outlet, it’s their ‘business’ even if it’s small scale. They should know better than to mix business and religion. EBay has changed a lot - there’s far fewer people selling their unwanted books, clothes etc these days. I find there’s many more bigger businesses. All of those places you mention are optional for the customer. It would seem their political/religious stances are pretty well known and anyone could avoid them if they disagree with them. Not so when something is delivered into your home unknown to you. |
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Post by MichyM on Sept 8, 2024 18:28:52 GMT
I just opened an eBay package and the seller included a religious pamphlet. In all my years using eBay this has never happened. I just rolled my eyes but I don’t think eBay is the platform for spreading religious propaganda. Just wondering how others would feel or if this has happened to you? I'd feel annoyed, and very tempted to mail it back to the seller  |
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Post by MichyM on Sept 8, 2024 18:31:25 GMT
I'm sorry, but I would have to lower my rating and write a review explaining why. I know it's really not a big deal in the whole scheme of things, and the seller probably did it with a pure heart. But I cannot abide proselytising. They are so self righteous thinking that everyone thinks the way they do and that we welcome their platitudes. Luckily most of us non-Americans don’t have to deal with this nonsense. THIS. I hate that they think we all are interested. Self-righteous is a nice way of putting it. |
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Post by MichyM on Sept 8, 2024 18:32:37 GMT
I would knock at least a star off the review and be very clear about why. Imagine the uproar if sellers included pamphlets about all religion being fairy tales in their deliveries. Imagine how a Jewish or Muslim family feels receiving unsolicited Christian proselytizing in a country where there are already plenty saying awful things about them. Or imagine the outrage if the person sending this Christian pamphlet were to get a Muslim or Jewish one! It would be more than eyerolling and chucking in the trash, I can guarantee. 100% this. Can y'all even imagine?!? |
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Post by melanell on Sept 8, 2024 19:02:54 GMT
Religion has no place in a business transaction, you can believe whatever you like within yourself and your particular place of worship but don't push it on other people. There are restaurants here that print bible verses on their hamburger wrappers, and in my area we have a carwash that is festooned with plaques with bible verses and Christian "inspirational" stuff, but forewarned is forearmed and we can avoid patronizing those places if we wish. So that's fine with me. But being ambushed by proselytizing during a business transaction is, I agree, inappropriate. The eggs at at least our area Aldi stores have a biblical verse printed inside the cartons, but it's just as you said, you can avoid buying them if you wish. |
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 8, 2024 19:20:24 GMT
Would you be as equally annoyed by a hand written note that said she hoped you had a good day? What if it was a card with an inspirational quote? What if it was a coupon for a free sample of alcohol? If no other personalized note or gift item would offend you equally, I say you're irritation is misplaced. You aren't a Christian and that's certainly your choice not to be. She obviously is and it's her choice to be. She's sharing what she believes to be something that would better your life. She isn't condemning you or berating you; it's a piece of paper. She knows that a customer may read it and they may not. Unless she's following up with emails or additional mail to push her beliefs on you, just toss it and be done with it. There is a big difference between have a nice day and religious propaganda. As somebody said before when Christianity is actually working to harm women, I as a woman do not welcome propaganda. Religion should have no place in a business transaction. I couldn't let this one pass by without comment. *Christianity* is NOT actually working to harm women. I don't get annoyed by much on this board, and I am very flame-proof after working in churches for so many years  -- but this one does annoy me. I see this a lot here, where some of you mix up "Christianity" with "right-wing evangelical so-called Christians". As many times and I and others have said that the two are not the same there are still people here who continue to do it. So either you're doing it on purpose, or you truly think that all of us who call ourselves Christians are the same. I am sorry for those of you who have been hurt in churches in the past, and I am sorry for people who are being hurt by churches currently. As a chaplain I do hear these stories.  -- And I am always angry when the far-right wackos start cherry-picking scripture (usually the Old Testament) to support their bigoted misogynistic worldview. And when I hear them say anything about putting religion in schools, because of course they mean their own view of Christianity, which excludes any of us progressive Christians, not to mention all the Jewish children, the Muslim children, and any child who isn't part of any particular faith community. But -- not all Christians are like that. So please keep that in mind. Just my two cents for this Sunday.  |
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Post by pilcas on Sept 8, 2024 19:40:28 GMT
There is a big difference between have a nice day and religious propaganda. As somebody said before when Christianity is actually working to harm women, I as a woman do not welcome propaganda. Religion should have no place in a business transaction. I couldn't let this one pass by without comment. *Christianity* is NOT actually working to harm women. I don't get annoyed by much on this board, and I am very flame-proof after working in churches for so many years -- but this one does annoy me. I see this a lot here, where some of you mix up "Christianity" with "right-wing evangelical so-called Christians". As many times and I and others have said that the two are not the same there are still people here who continue to do it. So either you're doing it on purpose, or you truly think that all of us who call ourselves Christians are the same. I am sorry for those of you who have been hurt in churches in the past, and I am sorry for people who are being hurt by churches currently. As a chaplain I do hear these stories. -- And I am always angry when the far-right wackos start cherry-picking scripture (usually the Old Testament) to support their bigoted misogynistic worldview. And when I hear them say anything about putting religion in schools, because of course they mean their own view of Christianity, which excludes any of us progressive Christians, not to mention all the Jewish children, the Muslim children, and any child who isn't part of any particular faith community. But -- not all Christians are like that. So please keep that in mind. Just my two cents for this Sunday. I do know the Catholic Church has spent generous amounts of money to aid in anti abortion legislation in many states. Although I don’t usually attend Church, I found myself attending a mass the weekend before the Nov 2016 election. The priest read a letter that the Bishop had sent to all his parishes which pretty much instructed all good godly people to vote for Trump who was not in favor of abortion. It’s not just the right wing wakos. |
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 8, 2024 20:07:51 GMT
No one is up in arms over another's religion. What people are up in arms about is a religious pamphlet being sent with an ordered it. You have no idea what the other person believe and your religion isn't better than theirs. Even if they are a non believer You also have no clue if they were abused or harmed in church or by a church. I don't care what you believe as long as you and your (what you believe to be) righteous religion doesn't get to dictate how I and others live. That's the problem. These Christians who think they are better and the truth and the right and that everyone needs to follow and be like them. No. Agree. Exaggerating what is being said (no one is "up in arms") and trying to say it's about someone else's religion are deflections. No one here is saying that people shouldn't believe what they believe. No one is saying their day is ruined. No one is even suggesting that people be stopped in some way from including their religious pamphlet. We're just saying it's bad form. It's not innocuous to many who might receive it. It's impolite to suggest that someone who just paid you money also needs the benefit of your superior religious beliefs. It feels to me as if some of the defensiveness on here is absolutely "up in arms" as the phrase is taken to mean. And I don't feel it is unreasonable to take that terms such as "disrespectful", "angry" and "threatening" might ruin someone's day, but I'm not arguing semantics. I believe people here are intelligent enough to be able to work out what I mean. I'm sorry for people who have had such a negative personal experience of Christianity or any religion, that receiving a religious leaflet with something that has been purchased from an individual is deemed as offensive or inappropriate or worse. I really am. I agree that it could be a hot button, but everyone has buttons, and strangers on eBay are not going to know what they are. As I said before, I get unsolicited leaflets trying to sell me baby items. They don't know that I couldn't have children, and just discovered that my attempts at fertility treatment were probably what has caused my two cancers. How can they? The baby sales leaflets hurt me, and I recycle them and move on. Peace, people, please. |
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-- but this one does annoy me. I see this a lot here, where some of you mix up "Christianity" with "right-wing evangelical so-called Christians". As many times and I and others have said that the two are not the same there are still people here who continue to do it. So either you're doing it on purpose, or you truly think that all of us who call ourselves Christians are the same. 
-- And I am always angry when the far-right wackos start cherry-picking scripture (usually the Old Testament) to support their bigoted misogynistic worldview. And when I hear them say anything about putting religion in schools, because of course they mean their own view of Christianity, which excludes any of us progressive Christians, not to mention all the Jewish children, the Muslim children, and any child who isn't part of any particular faith community. 