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Post by artisticscrapper on Sept 8, 2024 16:45:36 GMT
I was browsing new products and one of the featured sets was the Brutus Monroe circus collection. It made me very sad and somewhat angry to see stamps featuring circus animals. Many circus animals were and still are horribly mistreated. Really bad choice for a collection.
Some counties have banned circuses that use wild animals but only 5 states have banned them. I was glad to see that my state was one of them. The other 45 need to catch up.
I’m thinking about writing the company but they probably don’t care. $$$
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 8, 2024 17:02:49 GMT
I think that a circus is more of a memory for me. My kids saw one years ago and it was in a little town and it was very meh with very few animals. I never saw one as a kid (super thrifty parents). Perhaps these papers are purchased by people who are more nostalgic for the times that circuses were popular and no the actual event? We have an AMAZING 1926 carousel at our local zoo that has been refurbished several times. My kids have years of pictures on that thing. I can see using a circus collection for that ride. I guess I could see a lot of older, maybe more historic photos using that line as well. My state is one of the five that has banned the circus. I remember watching the animals arrive by train and then walk the elephants to the venue. It was really sad to see.
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Post by melanell on Sept 8, 2024 18:58:48 GMT
I did see it, but I didn't associate it with modern day circuses at all due to its very vintage nature and possibly also because I looked only at the papers and mostly recall seeing bright, bright colors and wild patterns. If anything, to me, it brought forth mental images of all of the places that use clowns and circus motifs in scary things these days. A few of the Halloween horror type places in my general area have used Circus themes. So to me, it fit in with all of the other Halloween collections being released, since that's probably the only way I would use it for actual scrapbooking.
I can understand how it could be upsetting if one were to view it in regards to animal treatment in actual circuses though, and I'm sorry it made you sad and angry when you saw it. Hugs.
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Post by artbabe on Sept 9, 2024 11:04:19 GMT
I saw that line, too, and thought the same thing. It is bad and inappropriate. Circus lines suck. It isn't a matter of "sorry you are upset". It is a matter of why isn't everyone pissed off about it? I don't care if it is nostalgia. What is nostalgic about beating and otherwise mistreating animals? And to make scrapbook products about it? Sorry, no...
Sometimes scrapbook companies produce things and I wonder, didn't anyone along the process of making them think it was a bad idea? I feel that way when I see dreamcatchers, feathered headdresses, and phrases like "my tribe". What the heck are people thinking?
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Post by melanell on Sept 10, 2024 0:53:48 GMT
Sometimes scrapbook companies produce things and I wonder, didn't anyone along the process of making them think it was a bad idea? I feel that way when I see dreamcatchers, feathered headdresses, and phrases like "my tribe". What the heck are people thinking? I agree. Especially since I tend to just find them scattered in with completely non-Native American elements. Like a dreamcatcher is apparently the equivalent of a glitter unicorn or a puffy rainbow or a "You go girl!" sticker.
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Post by mrssch on Sept 10, 2024 13:53:17 GMT
I had to take a pause...I never equated a circus scrapbook line with animal abuse. I realized it's because I never liked circuses because I have an intense fear of clowns. A day at the circus is just full of terror.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 13, 2024 14:59:33 GMT
I feel that way when I see dreamcatchers, feathered headdresses, and phrases like "my tribe". What the heck are people thinking? I always feel the need to explain the use of the word 'tribe' as a general rule to Americans (which does not apply in the case of a clearly native American-themed scrapbook line). It's from the Latin 'tribus' which was commonly used and still is today. European tribes were referred to as such long, long, loooong before European settlers imported the word when they colonised North America and applied the generic term to classify Native American tribes. The term is still commonly used in history and anthropology books, museums and even common language in Europe. Here's a history magazine cover talking about 100 Gaul tribes in the territory that is today known as France: Tribalism and modern tribes include individualistic affiliations like sports teams. "My tribe" is thus not necessarily an appropriation or disrespectful use of Native American culture when detached from other signals like dreamcatchers and headdresses. Anyhoo, enough of me on my sociolinguistic pedestal! 😉
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Post by melanell on Sept 13, 2024 18:41:37 GMT
I feel that way when I see dreamcatchers, feathered headdresses, and phrases like "my tribe". What the heck are people thinking? I always feel the need to explain the use of the word 'tribe' as a general rule to Americans (which does not apply in the case of a clearly native American-themed scrapbook line). It's from the Latin 'tribus' which was commonly used and still is today. European tribes were referred to as such long, long, loooong before European settlers imported the word when they colonised North America and applied the generic term to classify Native American tribes. The term is still commonly used in history and anthropology books, museums and even common language in Europe. Here's a history magazine cover talking about 100 Gaul tribes in the territory that is today known as France: Tribalism and modern tribes include individualistic affiliations like sports teams. "My tribe" is thus not necessarily an appropriation or disrespectful use of Native American culture when detached from other signals like dreamcatchers and headdresses. Anyhoo, enough of me on my sociolinguistic pedestal! 😉 If a European used the phrase my mind might go in this direction, but I do tend to imagine that most Americans using the phrase have adopted it from Native American cultures. Partly because on the whole I expect that many of my fellow Americans know far less about history than they should--myself included. (Obviously there are many, many Americans who are immensely well versed in world history, but there are plenty who are not. I know I have allowed my brain to let go a lot of world history I have learned over the years as I have focused more and more on local history. I have always found that for me, if I don't learn what I have learned, I lose it.) But mostly I take my cues from people of Native American descent who have voiced their negative feelings about the trend of using that phrase more lately than in the past here in the US.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 13, 2024 19:56:29 GMT
If a European used the phrase my mind might go in this direction, but I do tend to imagine that most Americans using the phrase have adopted it from Native American cultures. Partly because on the whole I expect that many of my fellow Americans know far less about history than they should--myself included. This is one of those times when there's a break between North America (+ Africa to some extent) and Europe. I still see many everyday uses of the word 'tribe' in Europe, including political tribes (like here), tribe shifting among teenagers and young adults, etc. That can be interpreted as offensive or automatically coming with negative connotations to Americans when it isn't. This conversation reminded me of the odd return of the phrase "spirit animal" in the past few years, too. It was a huge trend on social media ("XXX is my spirit animal"). Now that was a surprise. It lasted all the way through the BLM movement of the early pandemic as well. At that time, Bella Blvd. had a "My Tribe" collection filled with Native American references and imagery that ended up being cancelled although the product was ready to be shipped to retailers.
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Post by kmage on Sept 13, 2024 20:59:29 GMT
Were these manufacturers and designers not scarred by Dumbo?? Any kid growing up in the late 70's/early 80's know that the circus is bad bad bad!
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Post by melanell on Sept 13, 2024 23:03:54 GMT
If a European used the phrase my mind might go in this direction, but I do tend to imagine that most Americans using the phrase have adopted it from Native American cultures. Partly because on the whole I expect that many of my fellow Americans know far less about history than they should--myself included. This is one of those times when there's a break between North America (+ Africa to some extent) and Europe. I still see many everyday uses of the word 'tribe' in Europe, including political tribes (like here), tribe shifting among teenagers and young adults, etc. That can be interpreted as offensive or automatically coming with negative connotations to Americans when it isn't. This conversation reminded me of the odd return of the phrase "spirit animal" in the past few years, too. It was a huge trend on social media ("XXX is my spirit animal"). Now that was a surprise. It lasted all the way through the BLM movement of the early pandemic as well. At that time, Bella Blvd. had a "My Tribe" collection filled with Native American references and imagery that ended up being cancelled although the product was ready to be shipped to retailers. Yikes. In my mind, cancelling that line was a good idea.
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Post by melanell on Sept 13, 2024 23:09:44 GMT
Were these manufacturers and designers not scarred by Dumbo?? Any kid growing up in the late 70's/early 80's know that the circus is bad bad bad! Ugh, yes! I think my youngest was 9 or 10 before I even let my kids watch Dumbo, and that marked the 2nd time I ever seen it---which was 2 times too many. (And my kids were pretty appalled by that movie all around, as well.) And none of us have ever gone to an actual circus, either. We're decidedly non-circus people outside of any fright events that use those motifs. Now, on the flip side, I do like happy clowns. Always have.
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