huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Sept 11, 2024 18:02:37 GMT
The more digital tools we give kids, the lazier they get.
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3boysnme
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 11, 2024 18:10:31 GMT
I can see that. Plus they aren't really learning much if they can find an answer easier than figuring it out themselves. I don't know what you teach, but if math, could you have them do class work withOUT utilizing the internet? If not math, could you do it in the subject you teach? You can't do it with homework because you can't monitor them. But if you assign classroom work, and they can't use their phones or laptops. I'm just spit-balling here.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 11, 2024 18:31:43 GMT
The more digital tools we give kids, the lazier they get. I think the same can be said for humanity in general. I am hoping there is going to be a revolt among the younger generations at some point to push back on technology. I have a couple of boomers in my life who have been destroyed by technology. So I just don't think it's limited to kids. |
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Post by melanell on Sept 11, 2024 18:39:23 GMT
Just this year one of my high school student's teachers told them to bring their phones to class in case they ever needed to use it. (While every other teacher is telling them to stow their phones away during class.)
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Post by melanell on Sept 11, 2024 18:41:35 GMT
The more digital tools we give kids, the lazier they get. I think the same can be said for humanity in general. I am hoping there is going to be a revolt among the younger generations at some point to push back on technology. I have a couple of boomers in my life who have been destroyed by technology. So I just don't think it's limited to kids. And yet people DON'T use technology when it could actually be helpful! I can't tell you how often I see parents asking questions on the parent group because despite being on their phone to ask the question, they didn't just go to the school web site and find the answer themselves. Or you know, take half a second to fact check with that phone before spreading around crap! |
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 11, 2024 18:43:32 GMT
I work in elementary and a majority of the instruction is in small groups. Kids are not instructed in whole group often. The kids spend 15 minutes with their teacher and 45 (t least) doing other activities and half of it is usually on a computer. I hate it. What a huge waste of precious time. It is easy. I get it. I just hate it.
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Post by Linda on Sept 11, 2024 18:57:22 GMT
I'm fortunate, I think, in that while DD17's high school is 1-1 on Chromebooks, there is still a lot of in class instruction/discussion and for science, hands-on labs - now that might be because she's in all Advanced Placement classes this year. The biggest advantage to the Chromebooks/Google classroom for HER is that if she's absent or misses class for a meet, she can catch up at home most of the time rather than having to ask the teachers for makeup work etc... it's all posted to Google Classroom and often she's caught up before she actually returns to class. And she's just old enough to haven't had a ton of computer time in elementary school - it was mainly used for Accelerated Reading and maths practise/enrichment. I am hoping there is going to be a revolt among the younger generations at some point to push back on technology. I have a couple of boomers in my life who have been destroyed by technology. With my kids (almost 18, 24, and almost 33) and their friends - I'm seeing a lot of interest in lower-tech entertainments. Yes, they do play video games but they prefer books to ebooks, CDs and records to streaming to music, Dvds/Blu-ray to streaming movies. They are still desktop computer users - 2 out of 3 own tablets but rarely use them. They own dictionaries (and use them) and in general are picky about what apps/tech they use. They do see the benefits of some tech - the four of us share recipes using Paprika and that's awesome. They do text each other and me but they also phone often. So I think there is some pushback happening with the teens and young adults. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 11, 2024 19:15:02 GMT
I think the same can be said for humanity in general. I am hoping there is going to be a revolt among the younger generations at some point to push back on technology. I have a couple of boomers in my life who have been destroyed by technology. So I just don't think it's limited to kids. I can't tell you how often I see parents asking questions on the parent group because despite being on their phone to ask the question, they didn't just go to the school web site and find the answer themselves. Or you know, take half a second to fact check with that phone before spreading around crap! OMG, so much this! If I got a nickel every time someone asked me a stupid question that could easily be answered with a simple Google search, I could retire tomorrow. Seriously, it’s just not that hard. 🤪 |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 11, 2024 19:41:08 GMT
The more digital tools we give kids, the lazier they get. I think the same can be said for humanity in general. I am hoping there is going to be a revolt among the younger generations at some point to push back on technology. I have a couple of boomers in my life who have been destroyed by technology. So I just don't think it's limited to kids. I am guilty of this, although I know that it’s not a good thing. For young brains, it’s worse IMO. I have seen preschoolers who barely talk, but some of them can work a phone. It’s not a good thing. I am glad that I am working, and have less time to be on the internet. |
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Post by huskergal on Sept 11, 2024 20:03:11 GMT
This is my example. I am teaching Creative Writing. I showed the students how to use the spell/grammar check feature in Google Docs. I told them not to turn in any writing assignment with red or blue underlines. Most of them will not take the time to check the work.
I teach in middle school. A lot of the core teachers are going back to paper.
Our district is 1 to 1. Elementary students have ipads. Middle and high school have laptops.
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Post by ntsf on Sept 11, 2024 21:14:55 GMT
my kid with autism went to a private high school where absolutely everything is done on a computer (over 15 yrs ago). the computers were tools, they were expected to maintain them as such. and all break time/lunch time, they were not allowed to be used.
it really worked well. the kids needed support with physical writing, with organization, with writing down math problems.. and they had something that worked.
it was how the tech was used that made a difference. it was planned for and used in an appropriate way. they were also taught good search skills.. so you just don't believe the first thing google tells you.
so I think there should be more consideration and deliberate training on how the tech is used, rather than an afterthought.
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Post by Linda on Sept 11, 2024 22:39:16 GMT
it really worked well. the kids needed support with physical writing, with organization, with writing down math problems.. and they had something that worked. I will say that using a computer for writing assignments made a HUGE difference for two of my kids. It takes the handwriting (they have dysgraphia) and the spelling (to a degree) out of the equation and enables them to focus on getting ideas into words (which is still a struggle for both of them). I suspect my youngest would have benefited from dictation software to assist with writing except that she also has a speech impediment (she graduated from speech in middle school but still struggles with some sounds and has a stutter). Technology can definitely be a useful tool |
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Post by Bobomommy on Sept 12, 2024 0:13:45 GMT
For those who are too lazy to look something up on the school website I have always said…
1. Go to the school website
2. Click on my name
3. Find the box that says Week of Sept 9
4. The homework assignments and directions are there.
After doing this a few times they stop asking or emailing to ask their questions. They learn to navigate the school website.
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Post by huskergal on Sept 12, 2024 13:03:07 GMT
For those who are too lazy to look something up on the school website I have always said… 1. Go to the school website 2. Click on my name 3. Find the box that says Week of Sept 9 4. The homework assignments and directions are there. After doing this a few times they stop asking or emailing to ask their questions. They learn to navigate the school website. One year at our meetings before school starts, the business and computer teachers heard from business leaders. One of them gave me a quote, I have been using ever since: Don't feed the monkeys. He told us that when they get new hires, he will not answer their questions if it something they can find out for themselves or if it something they need to figure out. He said if you always answer, they will never learn to fend for themselves and keep coming back with questions. I use: "I don't know" a lot when kids ask me a question that they can find the answer to. |
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Post by nine on Sept 12, 2024 13:44:59 GMT
I have to respectfully disagree. When used for school, ipads, etc are absolutely brilliant for research. In my youth I never got the hang if libraries. But give me an ipad and the internet and I can graduatefrom college cum laude at 68 years old. It was so freeing to be able to find thing out just sitting st my desk.
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Post by huskergal on Sept 12, 2024 13:59:59 GMT
I have to respectfully disagree. When used for school, ipads, etc are absolutely brilliant for research. In my youth I never got the hang if libraries. But give me an ipad and the internet and I can graduatefrom college cum laude at 68 years old. It was so freeing to be able to find thing out just sitting st my desk. Did you read my specific reason I am making the claim? I will also respectfully disagree. I have to tell the students to Google something if they don't know it when they have the device sitting in front of them. They want someone to give them the answers. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 12, 2024 14:13:04 GMT
I have to tell the students to Google something if they don't know it when they have the device sitting in front of them. They want someone to give them the answers. ...I agree with you, but I don't think it's just kids. My older sister texts me a LOT asking random questions, when she could just Google for the info. Because that's what I do to find out the answer for her.  eta: I love the saying "don't feed the monkeys" !!! I need to print that out and post it next to my desk at work. |
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Post by Merge on Sept 12, 2024 17:05:56 GMT
I actually love how independent many kids as young as 7-8 are with technology. We always joked at school that if you have trouble with your computer, call a 4th grader to fix it.
I haven’t found most to be lazy with it. The online composition tools I’ve used are really interesting to most kids and they work much harder and more thoughtfully on their projects that way than if I gave them a pen and paper project.
Personally, the laziness I see seems more related to parents doing everything for their kids, removing any productive struggle and making the kids believe they must be incompetent.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 12, 2024 17:44:47 GMT
I actually love how independent many kids as young as 7-8 are with technology. We always joked at school that if you have trouble with your computer, call a 4th grader to fix it. I haven’t found most to be lazy with it. The online composition tools I’ve used are really interesting to most kids and they work much harder and more thoughtfully on their projects that way than if I gave them a pen and paper project. Personally, the laziness I see seems more related to parents doing everything for their kids, removing any productive struggle and making the kids believe they must be incompetent. Lol, as a substitute teacher I can't tell you how many times I've done this. The kids almost always know.  I won't let them go poking around on the teacher's computer of course, even when they say they know what to do, but anything involving the SmartBoard is up for grabs from the class experts. lol. |
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Post by huskergal on Sept 13, 2024 17:26:01 GMT
Why won't they hit the space bar after they type a period at the end of a sentence before they begin a new sentence?
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Post by Merge on Sept 13, 2024 18:41:08 GMT
Why won't they hit the space bar after they type a period at the end of a sentence before they begin a new sentence? A lot of the software, apps, etc. will automatically add a space after a period so they probably just aren't used to it. They need to be taught to go back and look to make there are spaces between sentences as part of their proofreading process. (Meanwhile, I'm still training myself to leave only one space after a period instead of two.) |
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Post by huskergal on Sept 13, 2024 19:03:19 GMT
Why won't they hit the space bar after they type a period at the end of a sentence before they begin a new sentence? A lot of the software, apps, etc. will automatically add a space after a period so they probably just aren't used to it. They need to be taught to go back and look to make there are spaces between sentences as part of their proofreading process. (Meanwhile, I'm still training myself to leave only one space after a period instead of two.) I would agree with you except these are 8th graders that have been typing in Google Docs for at least 3 years. They know it doesn't automatically space and they should proofread their work in a writing class. |
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I won't let them go poking around on the teacher's computer of course, even when they say they know what to do, but anything involving the SmartBoard is up for grabs from the class experts. lol.