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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 15, 2024 0:05:38 GMT
My DH is on the board of our travel basketball and baseball teams. Over the years there have been a few situations where parents said that they didn't want their twins separated. So, if one twin made a higher team than the other, the board needed to decide if they were going to bring them both up, or keep both on the lower team. This has come up with both sports recently since there have been tryouts and DH and I have been discussing the pros and cons for each decision. I am curious what the peas think and if you have had the same situation with your kids, how did you handle this?
I can see where the parents are coming from in asking that the kids be kept on the same team. It is easier for them (only one game to go to, less travel), in younger grades the kids might not be as aware of the plan to keep them together or that one could have been on a different team, etc. However, in other ways I think this is a selfish decision. In at least one of the cases DH said that the child who could have been on a better team made comments to the other twin and was not happy about being held back. It is also more difficult for each child if they are not on the team that is best suited to their abilities (either higher or lower). If they pull the other child up to keep them together, that is taking the place of someone else who should have been on that team.
Thoughts?
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 15, 2024 0:11:55 GMT
It shouldnt matter if they are twins. They need to evaluate each child and put them at the appropriate team. I am shocked there is even a discussion. If I pay those fees and find out a kid got pulled up just bc they are twins I’d probably consider a different more serious travel league.
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Post by KiwiJo on Sept 15, 2024 0:16:10 GMT
I am 100% for not allowing someone to play in a higher grade than their abilities allow, whether a twin or not. It simply is not fair to the rest of the team, or to those almost good enough for the team, or for each of the twins - the only people it suits are the twins’ parents, no-one else at all. It would be very unfortunate for the twin with better abilities to miss out but better that, IMO, than disadvantaging everyone else.
I think I would ‘encourage’ the twins’ parents to find something the other twin would be good at so they each have their own thing, but I know that’s easier said than done.
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 15, 2024 0:16:41 GMT
Twins should not do everything together.
You shouldn't hinder the progress of one child (twin or not) because they are better at something.
They are an individual who just happens to share the same birthday. (And in some cases don't if born close to midnight)
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 15, 2024 0:23:50 GMT
It shouldnt matter if they are twins. They need to evaluate each child and put them at the appropriate team. I am shocked there is even a discussion. If I pay those fees and find out a kid got pulled up just bc they are twins I’d probably consider a different more serious travel league. We don't really have other options in our area unless you want to go to another town/the twin cities. One of my kids had twins on his team (baseball and basketball) and the one that was not as strong of a player was brought up as well. I am not sure if he would have made it anyway (just one of the weakest players) or if someone else would have made it. But it wasn't a drastic difference between him and some of the others. Right now there are situations in both sports again (different families but both have said that the twins HAVE TO be on the same team). It sounds like in one situation they are keeping them both on the lower team (they gave the parents the option of splitting them up or both on the lower team), but in the other situation they might end up bringing the weaker player up and letting the team have an extra player. So he wouldn't necessarily be taking the spot of someone else, but depending how weak of a player he is it could be a hinderance to the team and frustrating for him. I told DH that I think they should tell the parents that they would try to honor their request but it might not be possible. I have twin brothers and also don't think that twins need to do everything together all of the time.
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Post by amom23 on Sept 15, 2024 3:20:34 GMT
Back in the day of my kids playing on travel teams it wouldn't have worked logistically for DH and I to have kids on 2 different teams at the same time.
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Post by tryingtobewise on Sept 15, 2024 3:53:19 GMT
I think in the interest of preserving a families’ sanity, they should be on the same team. I realize this is probably not the popular opinion.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 15, 2024 11:41:49 GMT
Why would twins be given any more consideration than any other siblings? As any parent of multiple kids knows there are going to be multiple activities. It just is. Deal with it.
Just because yours came out at the same time doesn’t make them less individuals.
Making the better player play down will slow their progress in the activity. They won’t be challenged as the opponents are all also at the lower skill level. They will not develop the skills needed to either score or defend when playing against an appropriate skill level as they will never be challenged. They will develop poor practices because they will not have to try hard. You can create a permanent deterrent to their development by never challenging them appropriately.
Making the other sibling play up is just going to create a situation when they can’t keep up and there can be resentment from the rest if the team because you filled a spot but don’t have the skills to play the spot. That sibling will bench sit more and they’ll developed resentment as well. This just breeds a bitter outcome.
I was a mother of 2 children close in age and I had multiple activities to get each to but they each did the things that best suited their needs & abilities at the time.
Twins are not a single being and should be encouraged to develop as individuals whether it is less convenient for the parents or not.
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Post by littlemama on Sept 15, 2024 11:51:48 GMT
It has nothing to do with having 2 kids on 2 different teams, as parents woth kids of different ages deal with this all the time.
It has to with with having 2 kids of the same age being at 2 different skill levels at the same sport. While I can empathize with how hard those emotions are to manage for the parents, it isnt fair to anyone to have them on the same team when there is an option for them to be with kids of their skill level.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 15, 2024 12:46:03 GMT
I have twins who play a travel sport and have asked here before that same question from the other end. Our club treats it kind of like some colleges do — you tell them your preference (keep them together or evaluate them separately). When mine were younger, we asked to keep them together, but for the past few years, we’ve let them pick and they’ve asked to be evaluated separately. I think even when we’ve let them be evaluated separately, the coaches know they are twins and err on the side of keeping them together. It’s not just about family convenience, but the morale of the kids—there is a difference between kids of different ages playing at different levels and twins (mine are even identical) being on different levels of teams. And one of mine is definitely better than the other — he always starts, while the other one starts about half the time.
I will say that I am very glad when they were younger that we had the option. If a parent really has to travel with the child because they are young, if you have more than just the twins and don’t have a lot of family support, it can be literally impossible.
One more thing I’ll interject here — I think the extent to which the leveling process is some sort of completely objective process can be really overstated, and I think what happens with my kids is that their twin status likely pulls coaches who are making judgment calls anyway to err on one side or the other for one or the other of my kids.
ETA: having read the other posts, my experience is exactly the opposite of what people seem worried about. I think that the twin who is better, when they were younger, may have played on a lower team than he would have because he had a twin who wasn’t as good. The other twin improved a lot and now they are I think within the same range, even though he is still a better player. The coaches definitely weren’t putting the then-less-skilled kid on a better team based on a twin policy, although I am also going to be honest and say that when they were younger, I think the coaches mixed them up a lot and didn’t know who they were evaluating (they were *really* identical).
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Post by guzismom on Sept 15, 2024 12:49:48 GMT
This is the family's choice, hopefully made in conjunction with the kids' preferences...if they want their twins together, then the stronger twin should be expected to play on the less strong team. This isn't a choice I would make; but if the family really feels strongly about it, this is the only way to do it.
I totally understand the difficult logistics of having kids on different teams. I was grateful when my girls, two years apart, made friends with a family that also had two girls their exact ages; this made carpooling so much easier. My husband, due to his work, could be NO help in schlepping our girls around.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 15, 2024 13:06:36 GMT
I think the parents insisting on having their kids on the same team are acting entitled. I’m with everyone else who says that they should be treated as individuals, and that it isn’t fair to: 1) another kid who actually deserved that spot on the advanced team and didn’t get it, 2) the kid who has to struggle to keep up, and in the case of holding one kid back 3) the kid who isn’t being allowed to play to their potential. In either case there is someone who isn’t being well served.
Is it inconvenient to have two kids on two different teams? Absolutely. But it’s no different than having two kids doing two totally different things because they have different skill sets or interests. Would you tell your band kid that they have to play baseball because their sibling is good at it, or tell the baseball kid they have to be in band because their sibling is musically gifted? No, you wouldn’t. So why should this be any different just because they both happen to like the same sport or because they’re the same age?
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Post by pilcas on Sept 15, 2024 13:16:01 GMT
Back in the day of my kids playing on travel teams it wouldn't have worked logistically for DH and I to have kids on 2 different teams at the same time. Yes, but if you had 2 kids a different age you would have had that same issue. We had 2 kids in travel soccer and husband dealt with my son, I with my daughter.
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Post by pilcas on Sept 15, 2024 13:18:55 GMT
I think parents with 2 or more kids deal with the logistics of different teams/ schedules.It seems to me the parents of the twins are using the concept of twins to make things easier on themselves. I don’t think it’s healthy for twins to always do everything together..
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Post by Restless Spirit on Sept 15, 2024 13:33:33 GMT
I think this is not uncommon in parent-lead local youth sports that are only somewhat competitive and promote “everyone gets to play”.
My DGS plays competitive Youth Hockey. When he started out at the local rink, they were “house leagues”. The program was mostly parent run and his mom was on the board. The leagues were organized by birth year ‘05, ‘06, ‘07 etc. However, as you can imagine, parents didn’t like having kids on different teams if they were close in age. It wasn’t a problem with twins, but with different birth years and skill levels, the teams were very kind of a mixed up mess. Better players started leaving the local rink for more competitive teams in the tri-state area.
A few years in, the rink re-organized the program and brought on professional coaches with a couple of parent volunteer coaches assisting. The idea was to have tryouts and have the players divided into teams according to skills. As you can imagine, that went by the wayside rather quickly because parents didn’t want their kids split up, particularly if there was a parent coach. In an effort to keep the siblings together, better prayers were frequently left off the roster to accommodate the weaker of the sibling pairs. And yes, it was very annoying and very unfair.
My grandson now plays competitive travel hockey. The league is set up as 18U, 16U, 14U, etc. with players from multiple states trying out. It’s a very competitive AAA Elite travel team with only the best players are accepted from the tri-state area.
What you describe seems to be pretty normal in our local youth sports.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 15, 2024 14:24:05 GMT
I think this is not uncommon in parent-lead local youth sports that are only somewhat competitive and promote “everyone gets to play”. My DGS plays competitive Youth Hockey. When he started out at the local rink, they were “house leagues”. The program was mostly parent run and his mom was on the board. The leagues were organized by birth year ‘05, ‘06, ‘07 etc. However, as you can imagine, parents didn’t like having kids on different teams if they were close in age. It wasn’t a problem with twins, but with different birth years and skill levels, the teams were very kind of a mixed up mess. Better players started leaving the local rink for more competitive teams in the tri-state area. A few years in, the rink re-organized the program and brought on professional coaches with a couple of parent volunteer coaches assisting. The idea was to have tryouts and have the players divided into teams according to skills. As you can imagine, that went by the wayside rather quickly because parents didn’t want their kids split up, particularly if there was a parent coach. In an effort to keep the siblings together, better prayers were frequently left off the roster to accommodate the weaker of the sibling pairs. And yes, it was very annoying and very unfair. My grandson now plays competitive travel hockey. The league is set up as 18U, 16U, 14U, etc. with players from multiple states trying out. It’s a very competitive AAA Elite travel team with only the best players are accepted from the tri-state area. What you describe seems to be pretty normal in our local youth sports. Luckily ours isn’t as much of a mess with regards to different ages being in the same group. I don’t think that would fly. I’m guessing that most people would also not be happy if both twins were placed on the higher team and that took a spot away from someone else. I wasn’t aware of that with my son’s team until now, when we are having the discussion in regards to the teams that currently have this issue.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 15, 2024 14:25:18 GMT
Back in the day of my kids playing on travel teams it wouldn't have worked logistically for DH and I to have kids on 2 different teams at the same time. Yes, but if you had 2 kids a different age you would have had that same issue. We had 2 kids in travel soccer and husband dealt with my son, I with my daughter. Exactly. Twins are not one entity. Parents need to see them as separate people/children. I have four kids in sports. You just make it work.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Sept 15, 2024 14:46:32 GMT
Being on the team should be based on ability and skills, not "it's not fair" if they don't get to play or be a part of it.
Life isn't fair. Not making a team, not getting the job, not being invited to a party, etc... is a part of that.
I honestly think >> Somewhere along the way, "it's not fair" has exponentially fueled entitlement behavior.
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Post by gar on Sept 15, 2024 14:50:29 GMT
The fact that they’re twins is irrelevant really. Anyone with more than one child who are of ‘similar’ ages has to deal with the logistics of having them or needing them to be (or as best as you can manage) in different places at different times. It just goes with the territory 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by gar on Sept 15, 2024 14:52:57 GMT
Back in the day of my kids playing on travel teams it wouldn't have worked logistically for DH and I to have kids on 2 different teams at the same time. So someone or something has to give. They have to make different choices, you rope in friends for lifts or sometimes they don’t get what they want to do this semester or whatever.
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Post by anaterra on Sept 15, 2024 14:53:51 GMT
Boy/girl twins? Parents will still be split to be with each child... or irish twins...
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Post by moretimeplease on Sept 15, 2024 15:07:49 GMT
(they gave the parents the option of splitting them up or both on the lower team) This is the answer. Put the choice on the parents to hold back the more talented twin. ETA I messed up the quote… that was from iamkristin’s response to something Bridget in MD said…
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Post by padresfan619 on Sept 15, 2024 15:33:07 GMT
What if the kids played different sports? Or one played a sport and the other did a different activity? That’s the season of life they are in, they should split up and deal with it. Twins aren’t always a package deal.
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Post by SabrinaP on Sept 15, 2024 17:24:36 GMT
While I think it would be hard to have twins on different travel teams, it’s no harder than if you had two kids of different ages playing travel ball. I’m thankful my youngest never got into travel ball. It was a lot just keeping up with my oldest.
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 15, 2024 17:43:31 GMT
The fact that they’re twins is irrelevant really. Anyone with more than one child who are of ‘similar’ ages has to deal with the logistics of having them or needing them to be (or as best as you can manage) in different places at different times. It just goes with the territory 🤷🏼♀️ Exactly. There were 3 of us. While we all did one sport together, we also did various other sports. You split parents for practice, games, and rely on friends to get to and from practice or a game.
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Post by styxgirl on Sept 15, 2024 18:01:14 GMT
I agree that them being twins shouldn't really come in to play in the decision. My girls were in to sports (age difference 2 years), but not the same ones. One liked softball, the other liked tennis. The one thing we did do to combine them is instead of Girl Scouts, (two different troops, two different meetings, etc...) We got them in to 4-H. It's all ages, boy and girls. We could attend ONE meeting and then they could branch out in to whatever projects interested them. Not a badge that EVERYONE in the troop had to do.
I'd say if the family wishes their kids to play the same sport but their skill levels are different then they have to suck it up and divide an conquer like the rest of the parents with multiple kids in multiple activities do. (Sure it would be nice if they could be on the same team and it would be cook IF it worked out, but I don't think special accommodations or denying another kid a spot should be a thing).
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Post by kelly8875 on Sept 15, 2024 18:38:13 GMT
When my DD was in competition dance through her studio, there were several sets of siblings. Some parents didn’t care what the schedules were, but the parents that wanted the kids together usually decided to keep both kids on the lesser ability team. The studio would let them know that one qualified for a higher team, and the family got to make the final choice.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Sept 15, 2024 23:08:01 GMT
I can see why they'd want to try. Same age group means a good chance the games would be overlapping and at different locations. DD cheered for 13 years. Many sets of siblings during this time. Most times they weren't able to be on the same team (age and skills). This meant the parents were at the gym almost daily. Then at competitions, sometimes literally all day. So I get it.
Given that they are the same age, I'd leave it to the parents. If they want to keep them on the same team, there's a high probability they'll end up on the lower skilled team. Or if we pull the other one up, he/she may not get a ton of playing time.
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