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Post by jackietex on Sept 17, 2024 16:26:54 GMT
Let me preface this by saying that last year I had to switch doctors after 20 years, and it was a difficult decision, not one I'm prepared to make again. Yesterday I mentioned to my doctor that I believed that I was going to be re-diagnosed with type 2 diabetes (my gastric bypass surgery "fixed" it) and thought it might be a good idea for me to see a nutritionist. She said she didn't know of any good ones, then said that she heard two people on RFK Jr.'s podcast that had some great information. I was stunned. It's not the info, although some of it was a little conspiratorial, that upset me, it was just the proximity to the guy who still says that vaccines can cause autism. I'm so disappointed, even though I know that reveals that I am close-minded in some matters. She gave me some ideas, which of course are helpful like stop eating anything processed, nothing out of a box, but kind of extreme. I'm about to turn 60 years old and if I want to occasionally have a couple Oreos, I'm going to do it. Thank you for giving me the space to vent.
ETA, I don't know if this is correct, but the impression I got was that she possibly didn't believe that there are any nutritionists that really know their business.
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Post by nightnurse on Sept 17, 2024 16:40:33 GMT
That would concern me, too. Being a good doctor means knowing how to get Information from reliable sources, with rfk jr is not. And she doesn’t know a good nutritionist? It’s her job to know who to refer you to. How frustrating! It is such a pain to switch doctors.
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Post by valincal on Sept 17, 2024 16:48:41 GMT
Ugh. I would seek out an actual registered dietician and leave the small stuff to your doctor. Presumably, she knows how to take your blood pressure?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 17, 2024 16:57:19 GMT
Rather startling.. RFKJr.. road kill.. where did he get his brain worm? no no..
It would be worth it to me to find a new doctor now, before you are too invested with her.
Call the local hospital about finding a nutritionist or dietician .. even maybe you local health department.
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Post by librarylady on Sept 17, 2024 16:59:45 GMT
 Time to change doctors. That would be a deal breaker for me.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 17, 2024 17:09:22 GMT
The RFK things is disturbing for sure. But the not knowing a good nutritionist would be an absolute DEAL BREAKER for me. I rely on my GP/NP to make referrals for me. I know that changing doctors is a major PIA, but if this was me, I'd be looking for a new one toot-suite!
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Post by jill8909 on Sept 17, 2024 17:09:23 GMT
your doctor is a nut case - at least on some matters. I know you don't want to get a new doc. totally get it. just be sure to get a second opinion from someone else on anything big.
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Post by questioning on Sept 17, 2024 17:22:26 GMT
Keeping track of popular discussions could be useful, to be prepared for patients questions. I could look past her listening to a podcast and RFK Jr.
HOWEVER I'd expect her to counter-act his info with facts and a good rec for a specialist.
I agree with others about finding another doc. Sorry.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 17, 2024 17:26:19 GMT
I think I would be looking for another new dr  . How frustrating. I hope you find a good nutritionist |
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 17, 2024 17:30:57 GMT
She said she didn't know of any good ones, then said that she heard two people on RFK Jr.'s podcast that had some great information.  It's not just that listening to RFK Jr is an information source for her, it's stunning to me that she doesn't have a list of nutritionists to refer patients. Double troubling. I know how hard it is to find a new doctor that you trust and like, but this would have me out looking again. Especially as we age and medical needs increase/change, I want a PCP who can refer me out to other trusted/competent specialists. |
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Post by TXMary on Sept 17, 2024 17:38:02 GMT
I understand not wanting to change doctors. My hospital has become a revolving door in the last several years. But this would be a deal breaker for me. All of it- RFK, Jr and not knowing a competent nutritionist. That's just not acceptable. I'd be looking for a new one.
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 17, 2024 22:34:48 GMT
Sorry you're dealing with doctor change--a shortage of primary care providers is happening and expected to persist. Re your nutrition, you can find a directory at the very bottom of this page. www.eatright.org/ |
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Post by FurryP on Sept 17, 2024 23:16:19 GMT
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Post by lisae on Sept 18, 2024 2:04:54 GMT
It's not just that she quoted RFK Jr. It is that she mentioned politics at all. Quoted a presidential candidate is politics as far as I'm concerned. I only ever had one medical practitioner - a dentist - who mentioned politics. He was an old guy with a unique specialty to our area and just didn't care what anyone else thought. Most doctors know to keep their political opinions or anything close to that to themselves.
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Post by littlemama on Sept 18, 2024 10:17:01 GMT
I know yoi said you dont want to go through the process of changing doctors, but there is no way I could trust a doctor who listened to one word kennedy says
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Post by hop2 on Sept 18, 2024 10:49:58 GMT
The RFK thing is a yellow flag. They need to get better listening habits.
The fact that your doctor acted as if you asked about a ticket to mars as opposed to a nutritionist is concerning.
Are there nutritionists who are not good at their job? Yes. But it is concerning that your doctor doesn’t know any good ones. Nutritionists are also educated in our misogynist medical schools and can also suffer from ‘its all in your head’ syndrome too. Then some can be just plain lazy and treat every patient the same. But there are good dedicated ones out there.
To find a good nutritionist ( and maybe a better doctor ) have you tried any of the online doctor review sites?
Good luck
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Post by grammadee on Sept 18, 2024 13:22:39 GMT
Yesterday I mentioned to my doctor that I believed that I was going to be re-diagnosed with type 2 diabetes (my gastric bypass surgery "fixed" it) and thought it might be a good idea for me to see a nutritionist. She said she didn't know of any good ones, I don't know the words used in the US for certified professionals in this field, but my dd has a five year BSc degree and ongoing certification protocols to maintain her Registered Dietician standing in Canada. She is often frustrated when dr's patients are advised to see a "nutritionist" and they go on to consult with someone who claims that title, but turns out to be an employee of a health food store with a few workshops under their belt. |
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Post by Clair on Sept 18, 2024 16:21:07 GMT
Your doctor handled this very poorly and it would be a big red flag for me but...
RFK one of the leaders in exposing the problems with the food/health epidemic in America. We are led to believe that the food we are buying in the store is safe when in fact it's filled with chemicals and crap that is making and keeping us sick and killing us.
What many don't know is that many food studies and research is funded by the food companies themselves. There is a connection between Big Food/Healthcare/Big Pharma/FDA and it's pretty alarming.
Your doctor may be referencing to RFKs podcast with Calley Means who is exposing these issues. Calley and his sister Dr Casey Means have a fantastic book called Good Energy which address the connection between food and health. I've not listened to the RFK podcast - I agree with this cause but I don't align with many things about him.
Over the last 1.5 years I've eliminated 99% of processed foods and it has been life changing. I've lost almost 100 pounds - all my health stats are better, food cravings gone, brain fog lifted etc.
Most medical doctors learn very little about nutrition - they are trained to treat the disease not prevent disease.
There is a lot of information out there focusing on metabolic health and preventing disease. Unfortunately this has turned into a somewhat political issue and causes distrust and divide.
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Post by Zee on Sept 18, 2024 17:07:57 GMT
Nutritionists are not the same as registered dietitians, maybe that's what she meant when she said she didn't know of any.
You can find a nutritionist online.
To find a registered dietitian who can teach you about diabetes, check with your local hospital because most offer diabetes education classes every so often.
As far as doctors who listen to you and keep up to date, I really honestly find that residents are mostly not yet jaded and are good at listening to patients and following up with testing, education, etc.
If your hospital has a residency program for physicians, you can often get into their family medicine practice and get really good care. They're less dismissive than a lot of experienced docs IME (of course, if you had an experienced doctor you trusted, I wouldn't be suggesting this). They have experienced doctors they are paired with so they're not flying solo. They are licensed physicians so it's not the same as medical students. They are finishing a residency. The good and bad part about this is that you will see different ones.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 18, 2024 17:42:40 GMT
I know this isn’t exactly your question, but please find out if you need a referral from your doctor in order for your medical to cover the cost of nutritionist.
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Post by gigito7 on Sept 18, 2024 23:49:17 GMT
First, referencing RFK Jr would mostly be a deal breaker for me although I might give her one more chance and ask more questions, like, do you really believe what he spews? I will say, I went to three different nutritionists. One I saw after my first heart attack. The other two I saw at Emory Hospital, a renown hospital after my diagnosis of diabetes and sudden onset of double vision, diabetes related.
one would have thought I was talking to people from the 1980’s Weight Watchers program. In other words, not one said anything about not eating processed food. Not one said anything about eating a more plant based diet. I was very surprised and did my own research. I eat a mostly plant based diet, a little chicken and salmon or white fish. I don’t eat gluten, beef and I only eat a little cheese and eggs. I exercise at a gym 3 days a week. My blood sugar is right at 5.8 down from 8 and I lost about 18 lbs. I do take Metformin which I’m trying to get off of because of vitamins and minerals it depletes from my body. It’s difficult to find a good doctor who listens,imo.
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Post by jackietex on Sept 19, 2024 3:16:01 GMT
Thank you all for your help and support. It means a lot to me.
It was Dr. Means and his sister to whom she was referring.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 19, 2024 12:20:59 GMT
What is her position on vaccines that are recommended for adults as we age? Shingles? Pneumonia and RSV? Annual flu shots? Standard vaccine boosters?
I know that changing doctors is awful; we have been trying to establish dd with a new pcp since she aged out with her pediatrician and in the health system we want her to be in, she first had to get on a waiting list and when they called to tell her she was in, she had to take the first doctor with availability and the first new patient appointment was in 7 months. Our medical system is broken. But that doesn't mean you should settle for a doctor who doesn't believe in basic science.
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Post by doglover on Sept 23, 2024 12:08:54 GMT
Can you please give me a link to a video clip where RFK Jr. himself is saying that about vaccines? My understanding is that he is very concerned about the alarming rise of developmental problems in children. His viewpoint is that something has changed and we need to determine what changes are causing this. He mentioned the large increase in the number of vaccines as something that needs to be looked into. He never said vaccines are the cause, or even the most likely cause. Huge difference. He says many vaccines have been extremely useful. He has devoted his life to fighting environmental toxins and sued many large companies in order to stop them from harming everyday people. One in 36 boys are born with autism. This is alarming. Are you not concerned that almost no politicians in either party ever mention this startling health crisis?
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Post by teddyw on Sept 23, 2024 12:18:39 GMT
Can you please give me a link to a video clip where RFK Jr. himself is saying that about vaccines? My understanding is that he is very concerned about the alarming rise of developmental problems in children. His viewpoint is that something has changed and we need to determine what changes are causing this. He mentioned the large increase in the number of vaccines as something that needs to be looked into. He never said vaccines are the cause, or even the most likely cause. Huge difference. He says many vaccines have been extremely useful. He has devoted his life to fighting environmental toxins and sued many large companies in order to stop them from harming everyday people. One in 36 boys are born with autism. This is alarming. Are you not concerned that almost no politicians in either party ever mention this startling health crisis? Andrew Wakefield started the idea that vaccines cause autism so that he could sell his supplements. He no longer has a medical license in the UK but can say whatever he wants in the US. I don’t watch political stuff so I have no links for RFK. I’m sure YouTube has plenty of both if you search there. |
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Post by valincal on Sept 23, 2024 12:55:09 GMT
Can you please give me a link to a video clip where RFK Jr. himself is saying that about vaccines? My understanding is that he is very concerned about the alarming rise of developmental problems in children. His viewpoint is that something has changed and we need to determine what changes are causing this. He mentioned the large increase in the number of vaccines as something that needs to be looked into. He never said vaccines are the cause, or even the most likely cause. Huge difference. He says many vaccines have been extremely useful. He has devoted his life to fighting environmental toxins and sued many large companies in order to stop them from harming everyday people. One in 36 boys are born with autism. This is alarming. Are you not concerned that almost no politicians in either party ever mention this startling health crisis? Andrew Wakefield started the idea that vaccines cause autism so that he could sell his supplements. He no longer has a medical license in the UK but can say whatever he wants in the US Yes, then Jenny McCarthy jumped on that bandwagon and a bunch of people decided a former playboy bunny was a good source of information about vaccines. 🙄 |
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Post by Judie in Oz on Sept 23, 2024 14:06:03 GMT
Can you please give me a link to a video clip where RFK Jr. himself is saying that about vaccines? My understanding is that he is very concerned about the alarming rise of developmental problems in children. His viewpoint is that something has changed and we need to determine what changes are causing this. He mentioned the large increase in the number of vaccines as something that needs to be looked into. He never said vaccines are the cause, or even the most likely cause. Huge difference. He says many vaccines have been extremely useful. He has devoted his life to fighting environmental toxins and sued many large companies in order to stop them from harming everyday people. One in 36 boys are born with autism. This is alarming. Are you not concerned that almost no politicians in either party ever mention this startling health crisis? Andrew Wakefield started the idea that vaccines cause autism so that he could sell his supplements. He no longer has a medical license in the UK but can say whatever he wants in the US. From what I've read, Andrew Wakefield set out to demonise the combined MMR vaccine because he wanted to sell his own single measles vaccine. All the rest of the stupidity followed. I would not, in good conscience, be able to see a doctor who believed in the stuff that RFK Jr is saying. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 23, 2024 16:23:11 GMT
Can you please give me a link to a video clip where RFK Jr. himself is saying that about vaccines? My understanding is that he is very concerned about the alarming rise of developmental problems in children. His viewpoint is that something has changed and we need to determine what changes are causing this. He mentioned the large increase in the number of vaccines as something that needs to be looked into. He never said vaccines are the cause, or even the most likely cause. Huge difference. He says many vaccines have been extremely useful. He has devoted his life to fighting environmental toxins and sued many large companies in order to stop them from harming everyday people. One in 36 boys are born with autism. This is alarming. Are you not concerned that almost no politicians in either party ever mention this startling health crisis? I do think that we need to look more closely at how our food supply is affecting us (as well as environmental toxins) and how that may be connected to increase incidents of autism. However, bringing vaccines into it without having a clear connection is not responsible due to the willingness of some to jump to the conclusion that vaccines are bad and not vaccinating their kids. |
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Post by doglover on Sept 24, 2024 0:55:36 GMT
Can you please give me a link to a video clip where RFK Jr. himself is saying that about vaccines? My understanding is that he is very concerned about the alarming rise of developmental problems in children. His viewpoint is that something has changed and we need to determine what changes are causing this. He mentioned the large increase in the number of vaccines as something that needs to be looked into. He never said vaccines are the cause, or even the most likely cause. Huge difference. He says many vaccines have been extremely useful. He has devoted his life to fighting environmental toxins and sued many large companies in order to stop them from harming everyday people. One in 36 boys are born with autism. This is alarming. Are you not concerned that almost no politicians in either party ever mention this startling health crisis? I do think that we need to look more closely at how our food supply is affecting us (as well as environmental toxins) and how that may be connected to increase incidents of autism. However, bringing vaccines into it without having a clear connection is not responsible due to the willingness of some to jump to the conclusion that vaccines are bad and not vaccinating their kids. I do think you make a valid point about alarming people before there is evidence. I’m just really disappointed that huge issues like this are not being given a higher priority. Our journalists need to start going to every politician and asking them what their plan is to address the rise in developmental disabilities and about other issues of importance that are never mentioned. They keep asking the same questions over and over and over but never touch on other important issues. I would like to know for instance what they plan to do about schools districts like Baltimore where a large portion of the kids in high school can barely read. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 24, 2024 0:57:12 GMT
I do think that we need to look more closely at how our food supply is affecting us (as well as environmental toxins) and how that may be connected to increase incidents of autism. However, bringing vaccines into it without having a clear connection is not responsible due to the willingness of some to jump to the conclusion that vaccines are bad and not vaccinating their kids. I do think you make a valid point about alarming people before there is evidence. I’m just really disappointed that huge issues like this are not being given a higher priority. Our journalists need to start going to every politician and asking them what their plan is to address the rise in developmental disabilities and about other issues of importance that are never mentioned. They keep asking the same questions over and over and over but never touch on other important issues. I would like to know for instance what they plan to do about schools districts like Baltimore where a large portion of the kids in high school can barely read. Is it that they can’t read at all or just not meeting the level that standardized tests say they should? |
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Time to change doctors. That would be a deal breaker for me.
. How frustrating. I hope you find a good nutritionist 
It's not just that listening to RFK Jr is an information source for her, it's stunning to me that she doesn't have a list of nutritionists to refer patients. Double troubling. 
