Tearisci
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Post by Tearisci on Sept 18, 2024 14:05:53 GMT
I made up my mind that at my next doctor appointment in October that I'm going to ask out weight loss surgery options. I have tried pretty much everything and this seems like the best long-term option for me. For those of you who have experience with this, what should I know? Did you insurance cover it or at least part of it? Help a pea out
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 18, 2024 14:12:28 GMT
I don't know anything about it but I thought you had just started trying Mounjaro. Or was that a different pea? I thought it was you thought that was either diagnosed diabetic or prediabetic and were taking this med to help with that and weightloss. I'd be curious to hear if that didn't work for you. Or maybe you've just changed your mind. Basically, I'm nosey.
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Post by Tearisci on Sept 18, 2024 14:17:11 GMT
I don't know anything about it but I thought you had just started trying Mounjaro. Or was that a different pea? I thought it was you thought that was either diagnosed diabetic or prediabetic and were taking this med to help with that and weightloss. I'd be curious to hear if that didn't work for you. Or maybe you've just changed your mind. Basically, I'm nosey. You're right- that was me and I've been on it about a month. It hasn't done anything to curb my appetite, but I'm hoping it will work on the diabetic issues. Right now, I'm just exploring all options as I'm tired of being overweight. It's impacting my life negatively and I'm tired of it.
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Post by walkerdill on Sept 18, 2024 14:20:38 GMT
I went to Mexico and had the gastric sleeve done 3 years ago. Within the first year I lost 110 lbs. If you cannot commit to a lifestyle change then don't even bother having the surgery. That's my advice because I could not commit.
That said I went to the Pompeii Surgery in Tijuana Mexico and right now it's only $3,800 plus your flight costs. You stay at a beach resort afterwards. I have no problems with the care that I received there. It was top notch.
My cousin had her surgery done there and so did her husband as well as another friend of mine and we all received amazing care. Of the four of us I am the only one who didn't keep the weight off so far.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 18, 2024 14:21:47 GMT
but I'm hoping it will work on the diabetic issues. How's your blood sugar been since you've been on it? My highest A1C was 6.3 in January. But in June and then September it was 6.0. I know I can continue to make better dietary choices that should help some. I should add I'm curious because of my own health issues I'm trying to get under control. And my doctor is still quite bent on weight loss meds but I'm quite hesitant.
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Post by DEX on Sept 18, 2024 14:28:58 GMT
I had surgery back in 2011, quite awhile ago. Your results may vary. It was a process. My health insurance did pay for it but some don't. It took about 1 year from the time I decided to have the surgery to the time I actually did. I had to see a dietician for a certain amount of time, meet with a psychiatrist, and loose a certain amount of weight on my own. You had to be 100# overweight. I lost 128# and have kept most of it off. I have had side effects from the surgery like malabsorption of vitamins/minerals, osteoporosis, extra skin, etc. But, as I told my nurse practitioner this week, the comorbidities such as joint replacements, high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, etc., were scarier for me. It is a life changing surgery.
PM me if you have any further questions.
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 18, 2024 14:33:20 GMT
One of my good friends had it done back in 2013. She looked great after about a year from surgery. Now, I think she has gained it all back, if not more. It really is a lifelong commitment. Just like anything. Because of her, I wouldn't do it. I am very bad about food. I know I wouldn't be able to commit to eating that way for the rest of my life. But I know some people can do it.
Really think on it. I hope you find someone who has a had great success with it and can give you excellent tips.
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 18, 2024 14:43:37 GMT
You're right- that was me and I've been on it about a month. It hasn't done anything to curb my appetite, but I'm hoping it will work on the diabetic issues. Right now, I'm just exploring all options as I'm tired of being overweight. It's impacting my life negatively and I'm tired of it. I definitely understand being frustrated, but I would give it at least 6 months before deciding it isn’t working for you. I’m not as familiar with the tirzepatide dosing schedule, but with semaglutide you are not at a full dose until your fourth month if you’re following the recommended titration schedule. Many, MANY people don’t feel the effects until they reach the full dose.
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Post by guzismom on Sept 18, 2024 15:31:03 GMT
I had gastric bypass over 20 years ago; yes, my insurance paid since the state I was living in (Maryland) passed a law to make it mandatory IF the patient met certain criteria. I Initially lost over 100 pounds; but I currently maintain at about a 75 pound weight loss with little/no effort. My eating looks like a 'normal' person, but I still eat less than I could pre-surgery.
I feel like this decision was one of the best I've ever made; despite having two 'complications' (small bowel obstruction and rare hernia), I'd do it again tomorrow if I had to.
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Post by blue tulip on Sept 18, 2024 15:37:37 GMT
i had gastric sleeve surgery 6 years ago, and it changed my life. i would do it 1000 times over again, highly recommend. insurance did cover mine, because tho my BMI was "only" 38 i had 3 comorbidities. however, 3 years later our insurance had changed and my husband didn't qualify under the same conditions, so he had his in Mexico. He also had a good experience, but the support afterwards wasn't as good- no yearly followups, meetings, support groups beyond a facebook page etc. But he had me and my knowledge at that point, and if he wanted to he could attend our local group. So if it's not affordable for you in the states out of pocket, i would still recommend a reputable program out of the country.
I would go the surgery route before i would ever do mounjaro, ozempic, or anything of that route. they will work until you stop taking them. i knew i had to make a permanent change, if i wanted a a permament change. i had gained and lost 200# over the course of my adult life, in 20, 40, 60# increments. by meds, by diets, by working out. kept it off for months to years, but always gained it back.
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Post by River on Sept 18, 2024 15:48:44 GMT
You're right- that was me and I've been on it about a month. It hasn't done anything to curb my appetite, but I'm hoping it will work on the diabetic issues. Right now, I'm just exploring all options as I'm tired of being overweight. It's impacting my life negatively and I'm tired of it. I definitely understand being frustrated, but I would give it at least 6 months before deciding it isn’t working for you. I’m not as familiar with the tirzepatide dosing schedule, but with semaglutide you are not at a full dose until your fourth month if you’re following the recommended titration schedule. Many, MANY people don’t feel the effects until they reach the full dose. I was about to say the same thing. The first 2 months at the lower dose did nothing for me but when I got to the highest dose, my appetite disappeared and I lost the 30 lbs I needed to quickly. So far, I've kept it off after stopping the Tirzepatide. To answer your original question...I had Gastric Bypass in 2010 and lost 155 lbs. I had kept it all off until last winter when I had to go on steroids for a while and gained 30 lbs quickly that I couldn't get off no matter what. You have to be committed to life long changes in order for the surgery to be a long term success. There were certain foods that I had to give up for many years, like steak. It would get stuck no matter how small the pieces were or how much I chewed. When food gets stuck for me, it immediately wants to come back up. I had to get used to throwing up A LOT. It was not a pleasant experience but it did train me to stick to very small portions and I continue that even now. I know that is what has been key for my success. Insurance did pay for mine after 8 months of going through their hoops. I had to have 2 or more comorbidities (I had 3). I had to see a therapist and a nutritionist for 3 months each. There was another requirement but I can't remember exactly what that was. I'm sure all of that has changed since then. Everyone's experience with weight loss surgery is different. The side effects are different, the amount or types of food varies greatly. Please keep that in mind if you decide you want to go this route. Honestly, I'd give the meds at least 6 months on the highest dose before even considering surgery. It was not a cake walk at all, but I absolutely would do it all again in a heartbeat because I did make life long changes that help me control my weight still to this day (except for darn steriods). Feel free to message me if you have questions.
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Post by peano on Sept 18, 2024 16:10:39 GMT
I had the gastric sleeve in October 2012. In December 2012, Sandy Hook happened in my town. Nothing prepares you for that level of grief, where everyone in the town is mourning. I started drinking much earlier than recommended and it’s much easier to drink than eat around the restriction.
So with that as a backdrop, I’ve lost around 100 pounds and kept it off for 16 years. I would only attribute about 30 pounds to the sleeve. The rest was the preliminary work I’ve been doing since my 20s—therapy (standard and behavior modification), Overeaters Anonymous, 5 years on a super-clean food plan with no sugar/sweeteners, flour, wheat, alcohol, cheese and weighed/measured meals. Tons of reading and study and self evaluation. The importance of the food plan was that it taught me what real, whole food tasted like. I had been subsisting on a diet comprised of fast food, simple carbs and sugar. I began to love how vegetables taste.
But after all this, it’s still not easy. If I eat sugar, I start craving it again. I’m not, and will never be a “Oh I just have a couple of pieces of chocolate a day” person. I want to dive face first into chocolate oblivion.
So I have to remain hyper vigilant about how my body feels. I’ve had a daily walking practice for 25 years that helped me learn to be present in my body (hint:no music or podcasts—just nature sounds)
My insurance didn’t cover it so I paid out of pocket.
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Post by Tearisci on Sept 18, 2024 16:37:04 GMT
Thank you all for sharing your experiences. I'm going to try and get the ball rolling this next month and see if my insurance will cover it. I'm a good 100 lbs over where I should be and I have developed diabetes. It's really affecting my outlook and my ability to just do day to day things.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 18, 2024 17:27:53 GMT
I know two people who had the surgery (different doctors and different states - Florida and NJ) over the past few years and both became quite ill intermittently over the ensuing years related to the surgery. Dehydration, loss of vitamins and minerals, and (I think) gall bladder issues. Both have been hospitalized on and off. It’s not a one and done operation. The third person I know who had the surgery is doing well, but she runs quite a distance every single day and has done so for years.
My cousin is taking Ozempic. She’s lost 100 lbs in over a year. She walks five miles a day and eats only two meals a day. Her blood sugar has normalized along with her weight loss. She used to not exercise at all and ate high fat food and a lot of it.
Whatever you decide to do, weight loss is a process that involves changing one’s lifestyle to achieve results, even with the assistance of surgery or medication. I hope you find something that works for you.
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Post by leannec on Sept 18, 2024 18:06:02 GMT
I had a gastric bypass way back in 2006 ... the dark ages! I barely qualified ... 5'2" and 220 lbs ... I lost about 100 lbs in the first six months because I couldn't keep anything down ... it was not fun! I had almost no education about my surgery other than what I found online ... it really was a learning process for me ... As the years went by my weight went up and down ... the lowest I was at was an unhealthy 107 lbs (don't recommend) and a size 0 ... Now, all these years later, I weigh about 150 lbs ... more than I would like but less than I started out at ... the fact that I have never exercised and that I don't really restrict my diet other than I avoid most sugary foods probably contributes ... I drink far too many calories as well ... I eat very small meals ... I am a grazer ... I love food but when I go out I take 75% of it home ... I have trouble eating enough protein because I just don't eat enough of it ... I am not vegetarian but my diet would tell you otherwise ... not good for someone who has had this surgery ... Would I do it again? Yes.
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Post by Zee on Sept 18, 2024 18:24:04 GMT
This is not my area of expertise but I see so many people with issues stemming from the surgery, I wouldn't do it unless it was the very last option and I was morbidly obese.
I lost 52 lbs on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) in about 6 months. I still take it, the smallest dose, for maintenance. I'll continue to take it as long as I can afford it.
But I'd rather wear the 50 lbs than have gastric sleeve, bypass, or any other surgical procedure for weight loss. You should probably at least give it a few months before you decide it's not going to work and you'd rather have surgery.
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Post by Tearisci on Sept 18, 2024 18:48:25 GMT
This is not my area of expertise but I see so many people with issues stemming from the surgery, I wouldn't do it unless it was the very last option and I was morbidly obese. I lost 52 lbs on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) in about 6 months. I still take it, the smallest dose, for maintenance. I'll continue to take it as long as I can afford it. But I'd rather wear the 50 lbs than have gastric sleeve, bypass, or any other surgical procedure for weight loss. You should probably at least give it a few months before you decide it's not going to work and you'd rather have surgery. My doctor hasn't increased the dose of Mounjaro I take and I wonder if that's standard for using it as a diabetic drug rather than strictly for weight loss. I'm just exploring all options now so that when I go in on the 8th, I can have some good talking points and options. I appreciate all of the points of view!
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Post by Delta Dawn on Sept 18, 2024 20:59:25 GMT
This is not my area of expertise but I see so many people with issues stemming from the surgery, I wouldn't do it unless it was the very last option and I was morbidly obese. I lost 52 lbs on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) in about 6 months. I still take it, the smallest dose, for maintenance. I'll continue to take it as long as I can afford it. But I'd rather wear the 50 lbs than have gastric sleeve, bypass, or any other surgical procedure for weight loss. You should probably at least give it a few months before you decide it's not going to work and you'd rather have surgery. My doctor hasn't increased the dose of Mounjaro I take and I wonder if that's standard for using it as a diabetic drug rather than strictly for weight loss. I'm just exploring all options now so that when I go in on the 8th, I can have some good talking points and options. I appreciate all of the points of view! Have you quit eating any sugar and fructose and lactose do not count. I eat some fruit and love dairy. I don’t eat refined sugar. I think if you haven’t cut that out I would start there.
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Post by cmpeter on Sept 18, 2024 21:07:51 GMT
My insurance won’t cover weight loss surgery at all. When I talked to my dr at the weight loss center they said the out of pocket cost was $28K.
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Post by moodyblue on Sept 18, 2024 21:31:50 GMT
My brother was here this morning and right before he left to go to dialysis he mentioned that one of the nurses will be out for a while. She has had some kind of weight loss surgery and has had severe complications - repeated aspiration pneumonia - and needs more surgery because of this problem.
I worked with a teacher who had surgery years ago, and kept it off for quite a while. However, a recent picture I saw on Facebook seems to indicate that she has gained a large amount of weight since I last saw her in person.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Sept 18, 2024 22:32:23 GMT
In order to get weight loss surgery here in BC you have to prove you are ready to stick to the program and not eat the way you did. You need to lose about 20 initial pounds to show commitment. My friend is the show dog of the surgeon who does the surgery and he was 400# and now is around 175 and needs to gain. He was a true success story. I absolutely want that for you. He is 6’4” tall and is too skinny. If you could lose 60 you might be happy without needing surgery. My goal is to lose 50. I am working at it but it’s slow. I am not trying to discourage you because my friend looks and feels great.
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 18, 2024 23:37:13 GMT
My doctor hasn't increased the dose of Mounjaro I take and I wonder if that's standard for using it as a diabetic drug rather than strictly for weight loss. I don’t think that’s normal. What dose are you on? The titration isn’t to increase the amount of weight you lose, it’s to slowly adjust your body to the medication.
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Post by Tearisci on Sept 19, 2024 0:29:05 GMT
My doctor hasn't increased the dose of Mounjaro I take and I wonder if that's standard for using it as a diabetic drug rather than strictly for weight loss. I don’t think that’s normal. What dose are you on? The titration isn’t to increase the amount of weight you lose, it’s to slowly adjust your body to the medication. Ok I'm on the 2.5 mg so I must have to be on it another week or so. Thanks for the info!
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Post by jackietex on Sept 19, 2024 3:07:58 GMT
I had gastric bypass surgery in 2012. Our insurance wouldn't cover it, so I used my inheritance from my father and paid around $30,000. I'm 4'10 and weighed 200 pounds. I usually maintain 115-120, but am currently around 145. Because of the surgery, I am relatively confident I will get back down again. After surgery, my diabetes immediately went into remission. I thought I came out of remission after a couple years, but just found out that wasn't the case, though I expect my next A1c will push me over officially. It is a commitment because there are cheats, and it isn't easy (especially if you are food addicted), but I have never regretted my decision. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Post by heckofagal on Sept 20, 2024 14:12:36 GMT
I've been on Ozempic and then Wegovy for nearly a year. I was 5'4" (maybe 5'3 1/2") and started at 265.5 with a goal to get down to 160. The weight hasn't just melted off for me like it has for some people, but I am down to 227. I was diagnosed with insulin resistance, my fasting blood sugar has always been over 100 for the past 10-15 years (usually around 120). I obviously was prediabetic and if I had done my bloodwork like I was supposed to the last time I had been at the doctor I think I would have fallen into the diabetic range. (My last A1c was 5.7 several years ago.) I only told a few family members I was on this, because of the controversy. And this past month several friends have finally recognized the changes, and have asked me how much weight I have lost. Also, the last couple fasting blood glucose readings have been 96 and 96. I was on 2 blood pressure meds and early on I was able to reduce the largest dose by half, probably need to eliminate that drug completely at this point but it helps with my vestibular migraines. I can be so much more active now. I feel this drug is life changing, and I hope to be on it forever. And a year later, I'm kinda glad the weight is coming off slower than expected. It helps with sagging skin and probably helps with the mental aspect of getting thinner as well. If it takes me 2 1/2 years to get to goal weight I'm fine with that. It took me a lot longer to get that fat. There are also so many health benefits there are discovering about GLP1 meds...lower risk of heart attacks, helps with addiction issues, helps stave off alzheimers.
And I agree, you are just on the starting dose. Give the meds a chance at full strength before you make any decisions.
I also know a few people who have had WLS and have had complications. Those who have not had complications have gained the weight back. I'm in a few GlP1 FB groups and there are several people on there who have had WLS and gained the weight back and now are trying GLP1 meds.
Whatever route you choose I hope you find success and feel like you've made the right choice in the end. Here's hoping for a healthier, slimmer future for both of us!
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 20, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
I don't know anything about it but I thought you had just started trying Mounjaro. Or was that a different pea? I thought it was you thought that was either diagnosed diabetic or prediabetic and were taking this med to help with that and weightloss. I'd be curious to hear if that didn't work for you. Or maybe you've just changed your mind. Basically, I'm nosey. You're right- that was me and I've been on it about a month. It hasn't done anything to curb my appetite, but I'm hoping it will work on the diabetic issues. Right now, I'm just exploring all options as I'm tired of being overweight. It's impacting my life negatively and I'm tired of it. I know people on Mounjaro and they have all said that it took a couple months before they started seeing an improvement with their weight. I know someone who lost 70lbs the first year. She has been on it for 2 years now and said she feels amazing. I'm not discouraging you from weight loss surgery. I just wanted you to know that not everyone loses weight the first month. Good luck with whatever you choose! Congratulations on prioritizing your health! You can do it!
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 20, 2024 14:24:08 GMT
I know two people who had the surgery (different doctors and different states - Florida and NJ) over the past few years and both became quite ill intermittently over the ensuing years related to the surgery. Dehydration, loss of vitamins and minerals, and (I think) gall bladder issues. Both have been hospitalized on and off. It’s not a one and done operation. The third person I know who had the surgery is doing well, but she runs quite a distance every single day and has done so for years. My cousin is taking Ozempic. She’s lost 100 lbs in over a year. She walks five miles a day and eats only two meals a day. Her blood sugar has normalized along with her weight loss. She used to not exercise at all and ate high fat food and a lot of it. Whatever you decide to do, weight loss is a process that involves changing one’s lifestyle to achieve results, even with the assistance of surgery or medication. I hope you find something that works for you. This is so true. There is no magic pill (or shot) or surgery. You have to put in the work. I have a co-worker who had the surgery. It was really tough on her, but she did lose 100lbs in the process. However, because she slid back to old eating habits and doesn't exercise, she has gained some back over the past year. As opposed to the people I know on a GLP-1 medication that have changed their lifestyle and way of eating, and have had success keeping the weight off. I think this is where the GlP-1 medications have the advantage. If you stay on it, you will have lasting help with your food portion control. I know if I were facing the 2 options, I would pick the shot for that reason.
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Post by Tearisci on Sept 20, 2024 14:37:57 GMT
Thanks for all of the replies!
I'd love it if the shots work, but I didn't have any luck on GLP-1 so I was looking forward to the Mounjaro but so far, I feel hungrier than ever! it's somewhat discouraging but then others have mentioned that they didn't see results until closer to their full prescription strength. I'm still at 2.5 but should go up next week.
The surgery would be a last ditch effort because i don't do well on diets. I can't exercise now because I carry my weight in the front and it hurts my back to be up and walking very much. If I could lose some weight, I would be more apt to exercise. It's a vicious cycle.
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Post by leannec on Sept 20, 2024 16:18:25 GMT
The surgery would be a last ditch effort because i don't do well on diets. I can't exercise now because I carry my weight in the front and it hurts my back to be up and walking very much. If I could lose some weight, I would be more apt to exercise. It's a vicious cycle. Don't be scared off by the "I heard of a person who had a bad experience with surgery" stories ... Do your research ... Be educated on the surgery you want ... Be realistic about what it entails ... Like I said earlier, I don't exercise because I don't like it ... simple as that ... I still lost weight and have managed to keep 70 lbs off ... would it be more if I exercised? Probably. I also consume more calories than I should through liquids ... I could lose weight if I stopped that ... it's a choice I make ... My gastric bypass has been one of the best decisions I have ever made ... I will stand behind that!
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 20, 2024 17:03:00 GMT
Try those chair exercises. You aren't standing or lying down, but sitting on a chair. I've been thinking about trying that because I have bad knees and can't do too much up on my legs.
If you have trouble with diets, the surgery might not work. Like I said, my friend did well the first few years, but she couldn't continue with the low volume of food she had to consume. I don't do well with diets either. I'm an emotional eater. I was on keto a few years ago, and did excellent. I liked the foods I was eating, and lost over 80 pounds in about 7 months. But my love of pasta overcame my good intentions. Plus, pasta is my comfort food, and I needed big time comforting last year. Couldn't eat just one small serving and have salad. No. Two big servings. Gained almost all back. Now, I'm just watching what I eat, and don't go extreme. I am losing slowly. I do need to add some exercise so that's why I'm looking at the chair exercises. I think my knees will get better the more I get lighter.
Good luck with your decision! It's good to look at your options. List the pros and cons. The surgery might be the best option for you.
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