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Post by librarylady on Sept 25, 2024 12:44:35 GMT
This group of reporters didn't see massive numbers of migrants coming into the US.
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Post by Merge on Sept 25, 2024 13:39:22 GMT
Texas Tribune does important writing without all the froth and foaming rhetoric we hear from some other outlets. This article is long, but worth a read for anyone concerned about matters at the border. Thanks for sharing, librarylady!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 25, 2024 18:14:51 GMT
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Post by essiejean on Sept 25, 2024 20:27:53 GMT
My son was on the border for 65 days this time last year with his National Guard unit. Unless things have changed that drastically in just 1 year, based on what I heard from him, this article glosses it over a bit in my opinion.
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Post by librarylady on Sept 25, 2024 20:33:32 GMT
I think that migration has slowed because of several things:
1. The US deports many who come into the US illegally and our news does not report this, but friends and relatives back in other countries know. 2. Politicians are not saying "open border" in every speech. 3. The organizers of huge caravans are not drumming up business as aggressively as before.
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Post by Merge on Sept 25, 2024 21:11:33 GMT
My son was on the border for 65 days this time last year with his National Guard unit. Unless things have changed that drastically in just 1 year, based on what I heard from him, this article glosses it over a bit in my opinion. I think that was the point of the article - things have changed drastically. Measures put in place to stem immigration from the source and to limit the number of asylum seekers are doing their job.
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Post by melanell on Sept 26, 2024 10:41:41 GMT
My son was on the border for 65 days this time last year with his National Guard unit. Unless things have changed that drastically in just 1 year, based on what I heard from him, this article glosses it over a bit in my opinion. I think that was the point of the article - things have changed drastically. Measures put in place to stem immigration from the source and to limit the number of asylum seekers are doing their job. Yes, the article opens with a statement about how different things are from just a few months ago. "A few months ago, hundreds of asylum-seeking families, including crying toddlers, waited for an opening to crawl through razor wire from Juarez into El Paso. No one is waiting there now."
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 26, 2024 11:18:31 GMT
My son was on the border for 65 days this time last year with his National Guard unit. Unless things have changed that drastically in just 1 year, based on what I heard from him, this article glosses it over a bit in my opinion. It isn’t as widely reported as I think it should be, but after Trump killed the border bill, Biden implemented an executive order that has helped quite a bit.
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Post by jill8909 on Sept 26, 2024 11:59:30 GMT
Huge dem here. Biden screwed up the border and waited too long to shut the flow. But he did finally.
This issue will never be resolved until there is a comprehensive border bill - like the one fat donnie killed.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2024 12:11:33 GMT
Huge dem here. Biden screwed up the border and waited too long to shut the flow. But he did finally. This issue will never be resolved until there is a comprehensive border bill - like the one fat donnie killed. Unfortunately our immigration policies and the border have been screwed up for decades.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Sept 26, 2024 12:28:33 GMT
Huge dem here. Biden screwed up the border and waited too long to shut the flow. But he did finally. This issue will never be resolved until there is a comprehensive border bill - like the one fat donnie killed. I believe that is why Biden waited so long for the executive order—they were working on a more permanent solution until DonOld killed it. The executive order was implemented when it became obvious the Congress was not going to help. I’m glad we gave an executive order in place now, but it is far less effective than the bill would have been, and it doesn’t send a clear message to potential migrants in other countries bc it can be changed too easily.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 26, 2024 12:47:34 GMT
Biden didn't wait too long. Many of the actions he took at the border are likely illegal and will ultimately be overturned. He knew this, the people advising him knew this, the people writing the policy knew this. But within the constraints of the laws and the budgets as they currently exist, there is literally nothing else he could do. So he waited and hoped that Congress would act and here we are. That executive order will eventually be thrown out and we will be right back where we started. The Republicans like to joke about Kamala being the border czar but when she was tasked with working in Central America to try to address the root causes of immigration, that was basically the only legal thing this administration could try to do. We see the outcome of over a century of the United States interfering in the domestic politics of sovereign Latin American governments to score points in ridiculous geopolitical games and well, we're reaping what we've sown. I work in immigration law. I don't think there is a single American parent who would live in the conditions many of these families are living in who wouldn't do anything and everything in their power to try to escape. Poverty is one thing but living in places where there is no civil authority that isn't corrupt, ruled by gangs who will torture and murder you if you walk down the wrong street, no access to schooling, limited access to healthcare. Our immigration laws are so complicated, byzantine and ineffective that I honestly don't think they could be harder to navigate if someone wrote them to deliberately try to make it next to impossible to come here legally. The wait time for some people who are LEGALLY allowed to immigrate to the United States is over 24 years. (And longer when you consider the time that ran prior to original applications.) Visa BulletinAnd don't underestimate the Trump administration's systematic destruction of the systems and structures that need to be in place to make our beleaguered immigration system function. Agents that weren't replaced, courts and processing centers closed, orders to stop processing applications that resulted in years long backlogs to be addressed by a shrinking workforce. None of that could be rebuilt overnight and much of it can't be rebuilt at all because of the utter lunacy of the budgets. Individual immigration courts are working at 10s of millions of dollars deficits each year. Multiply that across all of the systems across all over the world and you can begin to understand the magnitude of the mess Congress (over decades) and the Trump administration have wrought. Things ARE getting better but not at a pace that makes it humanitarian for all of the people waiting. There are millions of people here legally now who are living in limbo because they can't get their work permits processed, they can't get their green cards processed, they can't get appointments to get their biometrics, they can't afford the required medical exam that has to be completed by a US Civil Surgeon, etc. etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. This system is utterly broken. So when I read things that say "Biden waited too long..." to do xyx, it makes me want to pull out my hair.
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Post by Merge on Sept 26, 2024 15:35:46 GMT
RE: Biden waiting too long. Yes to the explanation of the politics and processes above. Despite what Trump claims, he can't just "close the border" with an executive order. Readers may recall the giant line of trucks when Abbott tried that in 2022. Billions of dollars were lost. www.npr.org/2022/04/20/1093729789/texas-border-bridge-order-cost-billionsAnd as the measures Biden has put in place have stemmed the tide and made things more manageable, notice that the Trump/Vance rhetoric has changed from the border to now deporting all the immigrants currently here - even those here legally. It's never been about the border. It's always been about removing poor brown and black people from other countries from our communities, even if they're here legally and are model citizens. Far from walking back their ignorant and incorrect statements, the right is doubling down on their racist rhetoric. Clay Higgins, for example: www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/clay-higgins-rips-haitian-immigrants-rcna172738
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Post by katlady on Sept 26, 2024 16:54:25 GMT
Illegal crossings are down all along the border. This was from a website that tracks migrants. Last month, Border Patrol apprehended 58,038 people at the border. That is up slightly from July (56,399), but still the second-fewest migrant apprehensions since September 2020. Border Patrol’s fiscal year 2024 migrant apprehensions are on track to be 21 percent fewer than last year’s. Of the nine sectors into which Border Patrol divides the border, San Diego, California (14,436) measured the most migrant apprehensions. El Paso, Texas-New Mexico (13,282) was in second place; it was last in the “top two” in April 2023. Tucson, Arizona (11,922) was third.www.wola.org/2024/09/weekly-u-s-mexico-border-update-august-migration-2024-campaign-and-the-border-border-patrol-oversight-texas/It was also interesting that up until about 2010 or so, most of the migrants came from Mexico. Now, they are coming from all over Central and South America.
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Post by Merge on Sept 26, 2024 17:54:38 GMT
Illegal crossings are down all along the border. This was from a website that tracks migrants. Last month, Border Patrol apprehended 58,038 people at the border. That is up slightly from July (56,399), but still the second-fewest migrant apprehensions since September 2020. Border Patrol’s fiscal year 2024 migrant apprehensions are on track to be 21 percent fewer than last year’s. Of the nine sectors into which Border Patrol divides the border, San Diego, California (14,436) measured the most migrant apprehensions. El Paso, Texas-New Mexico (13,282) was in second place; it was last in the “top two” in April 2023. Tucson, Arizona (11,922) was third.www.wola.org/2024/09/weekly-u-s-mexico-border-update-august-migration-2024-campaign-and-the-border-border-patrol-oversight-texas/It was also interesting that up until about 2010 or so, most of the migrants came from Mexico. Now, they are coming from all over Central and South America. Yup. Relative to Central and South America, Mexico is downright stable and prosperous. Those folks don't need to come here. Kind of puts paid to the idea that people come up here just for "free stuff" and no other reason. People leave unstable places where their families are in great danger and/or there is no economic opportunity and just grinding poverty. That's why it was so important for VP Harris to visit those countries and find ways to keep people in their own countries, mostly through private investment. On a side note about private investment - I've read that many migrants are coming from Colombia. We visit Colombia frequently because my husband's company has several employees there - they are an example of a private company investing in that area by providing good jobs. Others are doing that as well - last time we were there, there were buildings for Microsoft and other US companies visible near our hotel. The urban population there is well educated and many speak excellent English. They get professional jobs that, in turn, allow them to buy goods and services that provide jobs to those without that education. The country has come a long way from the drug-fueled violence of the last century. I would speculate that those coming from Colombia are from the rural regions, which have less opportunity, don't have the education to take advantage of most opportunities, or actually originated from another country like Venezuela and couldn't get by in Colombia.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2024 18:28:25 GMT
A question about how TFG made such an issue about what ever auto company building a new plant in Mexico. Yes, jobs here first! But as noted above with having American companies in Columbia, why is it so very wrong to build and employ Mexicans in Mexico?... Making it easier for them to stay at home and work?
Certainly not my area of expertise!!!
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Post by Merge on Sept 26, 2024 19:10:08 GMT
A question about how TFG made such an issue about what ever auto company building a new plant in Mexico. Yes, jobs here first! But as noted above with having American companies in Columbia, why is it so very wrong to build and employ Mexicans in Mexico?... Making it easier for them to stay at home and work? Certainly not my area of expertise!!! It's a double-edged sword, right? Put the car plants back in Ohio and Michigan and pay what US workers expect to make, and the price of the cars goes up beyond what most Americans can afford or are willing to pay. But put the car plant in Mexico and you're taking American jobs. Fortunately, unemployment here is at record lows. I think the mark of a strong economy is being flexible and nimble enough to change with the times. Where manufacturing jobs have been lost, knowledge-based jobs skills training needs to start *before* the jobs are gone. Colombia, for example, saw that in order to keep young people from leaving the country in droves, their universities needed to educate students for the kinds of knowledge-based jobs that can be done online, and that's what they're doing.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2024 20:03:44 GMT
Merge I'm not even sure that a plant in Mexico would be instead of one here but some sort of overlap or parts ... I guess mentioning autos was not the best choice. I read some where that one of the Central American countries (El Salvador??) has doing something to keep their citizens home, but I've forgotten the details.. I'll search again..
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