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Post by onelasttime on Sept 25, 2024 21:24:45 GMT
When are we going to start demanding proof from politicians when they make claims? Both sides do it but these days the right excels at it and We the People let them get away with it. Why? Too lazy or don’t care? A Facebook post by a woman who didn’t check first to make sure what she was posting was true created a shitstorm for Springfield, Ohio. trump claims without absolutely any proof…. - Mostly in blue states abortions are done after the baby is born.
- The migrants at the border are from prisons and mental hospitals
- Until very very recently trump claimed the 2020 election was stolen from him. Recently he has said he lost by a whisper.
Mike Johnson claimed when pushing the latest voter bills justified it not by offering any proof but claiming “they just knew migrants were illegally voting in our elections” Today Republican members of the House have been making claims about migrants but offer no proof. Clay Higgins threat to migrants. x.com/acnewsitics/status/1839019527092453491?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwMatt Ortega… ”It appears the final 40 days will be a greatest hits album of baseless Republican claims over the last several years. Soon we'll hear about migrant caravans performing mobile trans surgeries on minors while teaching CRT or something.” In response to this… Aaron Rupar…. ”Nancy Mace is now describing migrants as "pedophiles" x.com/mattortega/status/1839015010296803557?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 25, 2024 21:31:50 GMT
When are we going to start demanding proof from politicians when they make claims? Both sides do it but these days the right excels at it and We the People let them get away with it. Why? Too lazy or don’t care? A Facebook post by a woman who didn’t check first to make sure what she was posting was true created a shitstorm for Springfield, Ohio. trump claims without absolutely no proof…. - Mostly in blue states abortions are done after the baby is born.
- The migrants at the border are from prisons and mental hospitals
- Until very very recently trump claimed the 2020 election was stolen from him. Recently he has said he lost by a whisper.
Mike Johnson claimed when pushing the latest voter bills justified it not by offering any proof but claiming “they just knew migrants were illegally voting in our elections” Today Republican members of the House have been making claims about migrants but offer no proof. Clay Higgins threat to migrants. x.com/acnewsitics/status/1839019527092453491?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwAaron Rupar…. ”Nancy Mace is now describing migrants as "pedophiles"
But when asked about the whisker during the debate he said that that was a joke so he still says he won. Because they told him if you got x number of votes you will win and he got more than that. Yes he did get more than X that’s not in doubt but when your opponent gets even more they win. 🤦♀️ it doesn’t matter how many voted the previous election only the current one. If he wants to push this logic then that should immediately exclude him because he just proves he can’t understand and has dementia far worse than Biden.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 25, 2024 21:47:58 GMT
if people like what he's saying- or agree with the sentiment- then why would they care whether it's true or not? sadly.
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 25, 2024 21:52:16 GMT
It doesn't matter. They are dummer than dumb and aren't looking for facts or proof. Those of us with brains choose to look for the facts at will. They (far right MAGAots) don't give a flying bleep about proving or disproving.
We just need to stop wasting our energy on them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 25, 2024 21:56:33 GMT
onelasttime the Higgins X is now unavailable... Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA) unleashed a bigoted attack on Haitian immigrants on Wednesday that drew swift blowback from many of his Twitter followers. In a post on Twitter, Higgins attacked Haitian immigrants who filed criminal charges against former President Donald Trump and Sen. J.D. Vance (OH) for falsely accusing them of eating local residents' pets. "Lol. These Haitians are wild," Higgins wrote. "Eating pets, vudu, nastiest country in the western hemisphere, cults, slapstick gangsters… but damned if they don’t feel all sophisticated now, filing charges against our President and VP. All these thugs better get their mind right and their ass out of our country before January 20th."Many of Higgins' followers slammed him for pushing racist stereotypes about Haitians. "In case you were still unaware, Clay Higgins voted for David Duke," wrote columnist Justin Baragona sharing a copy of an interview where Higgins confessed to voting for the famous white supremacist. *** "Just a U.S. congressman mocking and demeaning Haitian immigrants, legally in the U.S., for filing charges against Trump/Vance for fanning chaos and threats targeting them.Nothing to uh, see here...?!" wrote Huffington Post reporter Jen Bendery. Michigan's Jake McClory, a former Capitol Hill intern, called it "straight-up Neo-Nazi rhetoric." Everytown senior director of communications Max Steele cautioned, "They're gonna say the word before Election Day." Louisiana Commissioner Davante Lewis lamented the "@lagop federal delegation keeps showing that they will not take an opportunity to embarrass this state. @repclayhiggins you are simply disgusting and should resign." Retired journalist Ken Cox called the comments "exceedingly vile yet it goes unnoticed in the Trump era. Aren't Americans better than this bulls--t?" www.rawstory.com/clay-higgins-haiti-racism/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 25, 2024 22:02:08 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 25, 2024 22:52:06 GMT
Ah ha.. Higgins has taken his tweet down. Louisiana lawmaker quietly deleted a social media post dubbing Haitians pet-eating "thugs" after the House's Black Caucus chair told him to take it down, according to a new report. GOP Rep. Clay Higgins has now deleted this tweet after he was confronted by CBC Chair Steven Horsford on the House floor, and asked to take it down," Zanona wrote on X. Zanona shared a screenshot of the post that Higgins later deleted. "These Haitians are wild," Higgins wrote. "Eating pets, vudu, nastiest country in the western hemisphere, cults, slapstick gangsters... but damned if they don't feel all sophisticated now, filing charges against our President and VP." www.rawstory.com/clay-higgins-2669273330/
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 25, 2024 22:54:56 GMT
I don't know that "we" all do this. Many of us do challenge people and ask for proof, but it doesn't really seem to make a difference.
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Post by Merge on Sept 26, 2024 0:05:39 GMT
I don't know that "we" all do this. Many of us do challenge people and ask for proof, but it doesn't really seem to make a difference. Yeah, asking for credible sources around here makes some people mad.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 26, 2024 3:46:07 GMT
When are we going to start demanding proof from politicians when they make claims? Both sides do it but these days the right excels at it and We the People let them get away with it. Why? Too lazy or don’t care? A Facebook post by a woman who didn’t check first to make sure what she was posting was true created a shitstorm for Springfield, Ohio. trump claims without absolutely no proof…. - Mostly in blue states abortions are done after the baby is born.
- The migrants at the border are from prisons and mental hospitals
- Until very very recently trump claimed the 2020 election was stolen from him. Recently he has said he lost by a whisper.
Mike Johnson claimed when pushing the latest voter bills justified it not by offering any proof but claiming “they just knew migrants were illegally voting in our elections” Today Republican members of the House have been making claims about migrants but offer no proof. Clay Higgins threat to migrants. x.com/acnewsitics/status/1839019527092453491?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwAaron Rupar…. ”Nancy Mace is now describing migrants as "pedophiles"
But when asked about the whisker during the debate he said that that was a joke so he still says he won. Because they told him if you got x number of votes you will win and he got more than that. Yes he did get more than X that’s not in doubt but when your opponent gets even more they win. 🤦♀️ it doesn’t matter how many voted the previous election only the current one. If he wants to push this logic then that should immediately exclude him because he just proves he can’t understand and has dementia far worse than Biden. I saw the video of him explaining if he got 74M votes he would win. As you know the problem is that is not how the Presidential election works in this country. To win one must have a minimum of 270 electoral college votes and he only got 232. President Biden received 306, 36 more votes than what he needed to win. Something the idiot keeps ignoring but should be reminded of every time he claims he won. Or asked where is the verifiable proof the election was rigged/stolen. But what we get is silence by Democrats and the media.
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 26, 2024 14:28:09 GMT
They've been challenged I believe. But either they don't care, or the media doesn't care. I don't recall ever seeing any reporters actually place a retraction story and why it's retracted. I don't follow the mainstream news media, either print or tv. So I don't know if they do or not. But I've seen many people ask for proof from commenters on social media. Most never get responded back to.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 26, 2024 17:35:26 GMT
John Harwood touches on what I believe is the reason that the Republican Party has gone over the edge. I believe there are 2 things driving the Republican Party of today. 1. The country is losing its white majority. CA lost it almost 10 years ago and I’m sure other states have as well. It will be gone by the next generation. 2. When the country was formed all positions of power be it political or non political , were held by white males. As the country evolved that slowly changed to where some positions of power are held by women and minorities. The presidency until President Obama was always held by white men. I believe it was the election of Obama and the knowledge the white majority was disappearing that started the Republican Party down their current path. trump came along and intensified their, to be blunt, racist beliefs. On Election Day 2016 I went to bed believing Hillary had won. When I woke up and found out the idiot had won I thought for sure the Republicans in Congress would hold trump in check. Boy was I wrong, they embraced his craziness. So here they are today, a political party driven by the 2 points above and freaking out because the next President of the United States could be a woman of color. Think about this for a second. The Republican Party is mostly made up of white folks. The party gets hysterical about the migrants coming across the southern border and how they are “poisoning “ the country. Then you have guys like Vance push the notion women need to have babies. Its an attempt to keep the white majority and white male dominance in positions of power. IMO. So we have trump, Vance, & almost all elected Republicans tell lies with abandon and pushing a false narrative. And We the People just stand around and let them. I get there are some that want to believe these lies but there are a lot more who know better. So the question becomes how do We the People hold the Republicans accountable for the false narrative they are pushing? I think it has to be the media and the Democratic Party pointing out this false narrative being pushed by the right in public and in such a way the MAGA gang start to question what they are being told. You certainly won’t get all the MAGA gang to see the light, but maybe enough to make a difference. Can it be done? Don’t know but if We the People don’t do something this country will really go to hell in a hand basket. “ I've Never Seen So Many Lies in All My Years Covering US Elections To borrow one of Donald Trump’s favorite phrases: the GOP nominee lies “like nobody’s seen before."JOHN HARWOOD SEP 25, 2024 ”Donald Trump punctuates his carnival barker boasts and smears with superlative variants of “like nobody’s ever seen before.” As usual, he tells on himself. It turns out the phrase both illustrates and describes the fathomless dishonesty of his attempt to win back the White House. That Trump presents fiction as fact, flavored by racism, cruelty, and grift, no longer surprises anyone. His lurid slanders against Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, stand out mainly because they have terrorized an entire community. “The most vicious, despicable, lie-filled campaign I’ve ever seen,” as Republican dissident Sarah Longwell put it on CNN last week. I’ve followed campaigns longer than Sarah and can confirm that no one’s seen anything like it. But the lies run deeper than individual false assertions or the dystopian visions Trump invents about our vibrant country and its world-leading economy. They infect core GOP messages on subjects from taxes to inflation, from health insurance to debt. Well before Trump seized control, Republicans had sealed themselves in a worldview that doesn’t fit 21st-century Americans or the modern world. It’s a political cul-de-sac from which deceit offers the only escape. Republicans champion the grievances and resentments of a shrinking white Christian minority as the nation grows steadily more diverse. They decry economic conditions that their policies would plainly worsen. Hobbled by unpopular, self-defeating impulses, they struggle to fund government programs their core supporters depend on. They cannot govern and lie about Democratic opponents who can.” x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1839075581108834660?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by Prenticekid on Sept 26, 2024 18:39:13 GMT
People talk about how those on the extreme right and MAGA will be judged by history. No. We will be judged by history. We let this happen. They might be dumb, but we've been dumbed down. We do not demand excellence, let alone truth, in our politicians, leaders, media, etc. We are the people who did not stand up enough to stop these people in their tracks. It is not on MAGA to demand truth. Does anyone honestly expect them to properly police themselves - they are rolling in the muck with glee. It is on us. We have succumbed to dumb and lazy every bit as much as they have regarding the running of this country.
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Post by jill8909 on Sept 27, 2024 8:17:26 GMT
I double check what I read. I research looking for confirmation. There's a lot of crap out there. MAGA will believe anything the leader says or they know it's a lie and don't care because guns and immigration and taxes.
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Post by Lianna on Sept 27, 2024 12:03:42 GMT
onelasttime the Higgins X is now unavailable... Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA) unleashed a bigoted attack on Haitian immigrants on Wednesday that drew swift blowback from many of his Twitter followers. In a post on Twitter, Higgins attacked Haitian immigrants who filed criminal charges against former President Donald Trump and Sen. J.D. Vance (OH) for falsely accusing them of eating local residents' pets. "Lol. These Haitians are wild," Higgins wrote. "Eating pets, vudu, nastiest country in the western hemisphere, cults, slapstick gangsters… but damned if they don’t feel all sophisticated now, filing charges against our President and VP. All these thugs better get their mind right and their ass out of our country before January 20th."Many of Higgins' followers slammed him for pushing racist stereotypes about Haitians. "In case you were still unaware, Clay Higgins voted for David Duke," wrote columnist Justin Baragona sharing a copy of an interview where Higgins confessed to voting for the famous white supremacist. *** "Just a U.S. congressman mocking and demeaning Haitian immigrants, legally in the U.S., for filing charges against Trump/Vance for fanning chaos and threats targeting them.Nothing to uh, see here...?!" wrote Huffington Post reporter Jen Bendery. Michigan's Jake McClory, a former Capitol Hill intern, called it "straight-up Neo-Nazi rhetoric." Everytown senior director of communications Max Steele cautioned, "They're gonna say the word before Election Day." Louisiana Commissioner Davante Lewis lamented the "@lagop federal delegation keeps showing that they will not take an opportunity to embarrass this state. @repclayhiggins you are simply disgusting and should resign." Retired journalist Ken Cox called the comments "exceedingly vile yet it goes unnoticed in the Trump era. Aren't Americans better than this bulls--t?" www.rawstory.com/clay-higgins-haiti-racism/ It reminds me of the sundown towns. They would like to turn us into a sundown country. I really can't believe the number of immigrants who seriously believe that they aren't talking about them, just the other "bad" migrants.
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Post by kristi521 on Sept 27, 2024 12:22:54 GMT
We should start demanding proof. Our kids have to cite their sources when they write a research paper. We look for that in lots of areas of our life. I would love to see that incorporated somehow.
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 27, 2024 12:53:11 GMT
I am seeing an uptick in the crazy posts of some of my friends. There was a 'weather' one yesterday, about how the weather is manufactured now. I guess that is the way to deny climate change?
I went back to look at it today, to see if she got any responses and it was deleted. I am hoping one of her kids talked her down from that one. Geesh.
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Post by lindas on Sept 27, 2024 17:33:56 GMT
I am seeing an uptick in the crazy posts of some of my friends. There was a 'weather' one yesterday, about how the weather is manufactured now. I guess that is the way to deny climate change? I went back to look at it today, to see if she got any responses and it was deleted. I am hoping one of her kids talked her down from that one. Geesh. I know it sounds crazy (so did AI not that long ago) but this link addresses how existing and future geoengineering technologies could help humans to manipulate the climate.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 27, 2024 19:26:09 GMT
This from the idiot… Patriot Takes… “Trump says Google results show too many “bad stories” about him so he will prosecute Google if elected.” ”It has been determined that Google has illegally used a system of only revealing and displaying bad stories about Donald J. Trump, some made up for this purpose while, at the same time, only revealing good stories about Comrade Kamala Harris. This is an ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, and hopefully the Justice Department will criminally prosecute them for this blatant Interference of Elections. If not, and subject to the Laws of our Country, I will request their prosecution, at the maximum levels, when I win the Election, and become President of the United States! Donald Trump Truth Social 01:57 PM EST 09/27/24” Prompted this response from Heather Cox Richardson ”When will Republicans stop pretending he’s okay? Is this truly a man you want representing us on the global stage? Someone who should have the nuclear codes and access to all our national secrets?” She has a point…. x.com/hc_richardson/status/1839741596872651017?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 28, 2024 2:08:23 GMT
This Miranda Devine has a new book coming out called “The Big Guy, How a President and his son sold out America” Kohn Solomon.. “Miranda Devine: CIA’s ‘green light’ of Biden family’s dealings with China is deeply disturbing” Attached to the tweet is an article. This is what old John found “deeply distributing.” ”Investigative journalist Miranda Devine, author of “The Big Guy”, says the millions of dollars President Joe Biden received from China during and after his vice presidency likely meant he was compromised. “When he was president, when he went soft on China, it’s just logical to say that that must be because of him being compromised. We don’t know the truth, but certainly the CIA would know and the fact that they gave the Bidens the green light to continue on with their nefarious activities with our adversaries is deeply disturbing,” she says.” So here we have someone who is accusing the President and his son of selling out the country with her “evidence” is “likely meant” and “we don’t know the truth”. I would say that she doesn’t have facts that can be verified which would make this a work of fiction. x.com/jsolomonreports/status/1839464660828930335?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwx.com/mirandadevine/status/1838548316159607295?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 29, 2024 16:07:13 GMT
I know it sounds crazy (so did AI not that long ago) but this link addresses how existing and future geoengineering technologies could help humans to manipulate the climate. Time will tell on that, much is possible, but this gal was spouting on about cloud seeding, contrails, and radar beacons beaming rays to cause a hurricane. Whaaa?
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Post by Zee on Sept 29, 2024 18:09:07 GMT
I know it sounds crazy (so did AI not that long ago) but this link addresses how existing and future geoengineering technologies could help humans to manipulate the climate. Time will tell on that, much is possible, but this gal was spouting on about cloud seeding, contrails, and radar beacons beaming rays to cause a hurricane. Whaaa? I had a former classmate FB friend who was always posting about chemtrails and cloud seeding, etc. I let him stay for entertainment value but he started to post fake stuff about doctors, healthcare, pharma, and hospitals and I couldn't take it anymore. Unfriended.
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 29, 2024 20:32:58 GMT
I had a former classmate FB friend who was always posting about chemtrails and cloud seeding, etc. I let him stay for entertainment value but he started to post fake stuff about doctors, healthcare, pharma, and hospitals and I couldn't take it anymore. Unfriended. Seems it often starts with some notion that has a tiny kernel of truth. Then, it gets extrapolated to full-blown conspiracy theories.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 30, 2024 21:05:23 GMT
So the idiot is getting a photo - op in Georgia or maybe NC. He made the comment below. When asked for proof he said “take a look”. In other words I got nothing…. So typical. But the idiots that support and plan to vote for this guy will believe the Democrats are intentionally withholding aid to Republican areas. With absolutely no proof to back it up. Acyn… “Haake: Trump had been saying on Truth Social that he believes that Democrats have been intentionally denying aid to Republican parts of the state. I asked him what evidence he had to back that up, you can see what he said here” x.com/acyn/status/1840838655440798188?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by Gem Girl on Oct 1, 2024 0:05:34 GMT
“Haake: Trump had been saying on Truth Social that he believes that Democrats have been intentionally denying aid to Republican parts of the state. I asked him what evidence he had to back that up, you can see what he said here” The proof is that that is what he, himself would do in that situation. He's said so, although I don't have time to find the quote right now. Malignant Narcissists can't imagine other people being any better (kinder, etc.) than they are.
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Post by Merge on Oct 1, 2024 0:19:26 GMT
“Haake: Trump had been saying on Truth Social that he believes that Democrats have been intentionally denying aid to Republican parts of the state. I asked him what evidence he had to back that up, you can see what he said here” The proof is that that is what he, himself would do in that situation. He's said so, although I don't have time to find the quote right now. Malignant Narcissists can't imagine other people being any better (kinder, etc.) than they are. What he and his minions HAVE done during that situation, as when Greg Abbott withheld federal Harvey relief funds given to Texas by the Trump admin from blue Harris County - the hardest hit county in the state. We’ve said it often enough that it’s become meaningless, but truly, every single accusation from him is a confession.
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