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Post by workingclassdog on Sept 29, 2024 20:47:11 GMT
I always had a hard time believing it. But it could have been true. But I feel maybe it was a he said she said thing.
I guess I hoped she wasn’t and leave it at that.
I just watched her Netflix show and it was good. She does make me feel like people went after her for no reason and is/was hurt by it. Could be an act though.
Anywaysss…
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Post by chaosisapony on Sept 29, 2024 21:22:39 GMT
I think she's probably a pretty normal person and has super happy chipper days and days where she is irritable. In my working life I have known some good people that were pretty shitty bosses and could be mean and impatient with employees. I can see some people not reacting well to Ellen being a stern/mean boss when she has such a happy go lucky stage persona. It just wouldn't be what you're expecting.
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Post by ChicagoKTS on Sept 29, 2024 21:42:49 GMT
I was never home to watch her show except once in awhile when I wasn’t working. I found many of her pranks and scaring people antics to be quite mean. It bothered me to the point where I stopped watching even occasionally. This was way before any of the accusations were publicly reported.
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Post by quinlove on Sept 29, 2024 21:58:18 GMT
In 1993 or 94, my 2 dd and I went to see Ellen doing her stand up. This was even before her sitcoms. We had watched her HBO specials a hundred times.
This was at a very small venue in Fort Worth. When she left the stage, one of my dd ( not the teacher one, ha ) wanted to follow her to her *dressing room*. I went with her. As we were so excited from seeing her perform up close.
Anyway, we followed her into a little room. It was just her and I think an employee from the place. Well, she could not have been nicer ! My dd and I were jumping up and down. Telling her how much we loved her. She did the same thing ! Jumped up and down, telling us she loved us. She wrote a long personal note to my dd on a program. It was very exciting for us. She seriously could not have been nicer.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 29, 2024 22:21:17 GMT
I think pranks are a terrible form of humor. The whole point is to laugh AT someone who is being set up to look/feel foolish. Given her love for pranks, I'd have a hard time liking/trusting her as a boss. It would create an uncomfortable work environment for me to work with her.
I'm not sure what/if there are specific complaints from employees other than the vague "terrible boss", but I can believe she didn't create a positive working environment.
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Post by Prenticekid on Sept 29, 2024 22:28:27 GMT
Yes. You can't do the pranks and scares that she did without some sort of meanness. Sometimes just the look on her face as she watched videos of pranks gave me the willies. There were times she was mean even to guests on her show, in my opinion. Not saying she wasn't nice, you can be both. I think she has issues.
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Sept 29, 2024 22:52:49 GMT
I was a big fan until the pranks were mean. I don't know if that is one bad side of her or what. Anyway, it was enough for me to no longer like her. I was pretty disappointed in her - still am.
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 29, 2024 23:10:33 GMT
I just don't know what the truth is. With all the good things she did for people, she just doesn't seem the type of person who would be an absolute bitch to people. Then again, Jimmy Saville did a whole lot of charity work..... (Not that I am comparing what JS did to being a mean boss.) I hate pranks and I hate being scared suddenly. I always used to think that if it were me on her show getting scared like that, I would jump up, clutch at my chest, and fall to the ground as if I had just had a heart attack. Give her a taste of her own pranking medicine!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 30, 2024 0:11:27 GMT
I think she took pleasure in making people uncomfortable. I think the more power she had, she really leaned to that, and it was mean. It was more than making people uncomfortable, it veered towards humiliating people for laughs. It was always in a public setting and people naturally tried to downplay the embarrassment. Nice people don't do that. The questioning of Mariah about a miscarriage was mean as hell. My favorite clapback to trying to embarrass someone was Dakota Johnson calling Ellen on her bullshit, on Ellen's show in front of an audience. I will always like Dakota just for that alone. If people had stood up for themselves earlier, Ellen probably wouldn't have ended up ending her show under a cloud of controversy.
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Post by mom on Sept 30, 2024 1:20:43 GMT
I think she took pleasure in making people uncomfortable. I think the more power she had, she really leaned to that, and it was mean. It was more than making people uncomfortable, it veered towards humiliating people for laughs. It was always in a public setting and people naturally tried to downplay the embarrassment. Nice people don't do that. The questioning of Mariah about a miscarriage was mean as hell. My favorite clapback to trying to embarrass someone was Dakota Johnson calling Ellen on her bullshit, on Ellen's show in front of an audience. I will always like Dakota just for that alone. If people had stood up for themselves earlier, Ellen probably wouldn't have ended up ending her show under a cloud of controversy. I agree with all of this. I don't think she started out that way, but as she grew in fame + power, the meaner she got (for whatever reason). I really enjoyed watching her show when she was starting out, but by the time her show ended, I could not watch her anymore.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Sept 30, 2024 4:40:53 GMT
I didn't watch her show very much. I think her pranks are mean and cruel.
I think, in general she is probably nice, but her being a celebrity....made her oblivious to those beneath her on the proverbial ladder. The people "at the top" don't generally care about the people "in the middle" or "at the bottom". The further a person is from the top, the more out of sight you are. Some, but not all >> busy people or people at the top.... don't usually have the time to focus on what is truly happening at the bottom.
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Post by dawnnikol on Sept 30, 2024 10:20:33 GMT
I think she took pleasure in making people uncomfortable. I think the more power she had, she really leaned to that, and it was mean. It was more than making people uncomfortable, it veered towards humiliating people for laughs. This is exactly why I did not watch her game show. It just seemed like a way for her to be mean and humiliate people for no reason. I hated it. I'm also sure that this only got as much attention and exploded the way it did because she's a gay woman. Back to the OP, I won't watch her new show(s) simply because she turned me off from watching her before anyone else said a thing.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 30, 2024 11:49:53 GMT
I think pranks are a terrible form of humor. The whole point is to laugh AT someone who is being set up to look/feel foolish. Given her love for pranks, I'd have a hard time liking/trusting her as a boss. It would create an uncomfortable work environment for me to work with her. I'm not sure what/if there are specific complaints from employees other than the vague "terrible boss", but I can believe she didn't create a positive working environment. I abhor pranks and there were a couple of jump scares on her show (Taylor Swift in the bathroom, Kris Jenner who peed her pants, Diddy when he punched a clown) that I thought OMG someone could have really been hurt. There were some guests who started to refuse to come on the show bc they were so worried about being scared. For the most part, I loved the dancing, the give aways, the interviews. I loved her relationship with Twitch. But I think the pranks got a lot of views, so she kept doing them, and it really hurt her show at the end.
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Post by disneypal on Sept 30, 2024 11:55:03 GMT
No, I don't think she was mean. I'm sure she had her moments at times, like some of us do. I mean it is hard to be nice 100% of the time, but I don't think she was or is a mean person. In fact, she seems the opposite to me, I think she's a good person, but not a perfect one.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 30, 2024 12:37:16 GMT
I don’t know exactly what she did that was considered mean so my comment is a generalization. And I didn’t watch her show.
I know a few comedians, and the thing about each of them is they are never really sure when funny crosses what many of us consider the line of being polite or civil. Trying things out in standup is important for them before finalizing their act. Perhaps that is where Ellen was.
I think by showing us (in the special) how she crossed other lines - being honest about her sexuality, for example, she was sharing that sort of message with us. She crossed lines. I also always remember that women are considered mean while men are considered businesslike for the same exact behavior.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 30, 2024 12:39:51 GMT
I remember seeing blind items about her years before her reputation tanked, so I do tend to think it’s true. I think you can get away with a lot when you are a convincingly nice-presenting person.
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Post by jill8909 on Sept 30, 2024 14:15:54 GMT
yes. she hasn't denied the allegations and basically has said some version of "i tried my best. a lot of people are mean."
so yeah I believe.
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Post by workingclassdog on Sept 30, 2024 15:38:20 GMT
After reading the comments, I do believe her pranks went to far at times. I'm not a prank person most of the time.. little here and there, but nothing big. In her stand up show, she was talking about her pranks and she pretty much said or alluded to 'maybe that WAS mean'.
Maybe she was just blinded to the fact how far the pranks went and just didn't realize it. Not trying to make excuses though.
Anyways, that was supposed to be her last show and she isn't going to do anymore.. now celebrities say that all the time, so I take that with a grain of salt.
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Post by flanz on Sept 30, 2024 16:02:35 GMT
I was never home to watch her show except once in awhile when I wasn’t working. I found many of her pranks and scaring people antics to be quite mean. It bothered me to the point where I stopped watching even occasionally. This was way before any of the accusations were publicly reported. SAME! She got a lot of perverse pleasure out of watching people feeling very uncomfortable, frightened, etc. Very bullying behaviour, IMO. She has/had a rep for being so very generous, Ellen deGENEROUS, but it was never her money she was giving away! DH and I watched her new Netflix special and while we both laughed in parts, it felt like a LOT of "poor me, I was wronged" and trying to leave the spotlight with people thinking well of her. Blech! I was once a huge fan, remember watching her first ever performance on Carson and loved her for a LONG time afterwards. I think fame and fortune got to her.
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Post by needmysanity on Sept 30, 2024 16:09:54 GMT
I have heard from real people (not entertainers) that she is not a nice person. We spent a summer vacation in the Santa Barbara area about 5 years ago and the locals had nothing nice to say about her including the young kid who did our Segway tour. He was a waiter at a local restaurant and had multiple stories about her.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Sept 30, 2024 17:20:50 GMT
Sometimes her interviews with her guests seemed uncomfortable or mean-spirited. I would think she'd want the opposite, when she invited someone on the show. I never was a HUGE watcher, but I stopped b/c of that. And I didn't like the pranks either.
By the time the whole "Ellen is mean" stuff broke out, I really didn't care so I don't know much about those allegations!
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Post by papersilly on Sept 30, 2024 17:23:27 GMT
i think entertainers have their entertaining persona and their private life persona. i think ellen was probably a different person when she wasn't on air.
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Post by FurryP on Sept 30, 2024 22:44:05 GMT
I was never home to watch her show except once in awhile when I wasn’t working. I found many of her pranks and scaring people antics to be quite mean. It bothered me to the point where I stopped watching even occasionally. This was way before any of the accusations were publicly reported. I hated, hated, when she insisted Mariah Carey have a drink therefore outing her pregnancy. That is very personal and none of her business! Yes I do believe she was mean if the staff said so. The public celebrity is not always like the private one.
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Post by snyder on Sept 30, 2024 23:10:10 GMT
I think the workings of a show like that, the celebrity does not have that close of a relationship wtih the employees. Its hustle-bustle and I'm sure there are some sharp words among the staff causing the upset and of course it rolls upwards to the top, so I don't toally blame her, but I do think she loved a joke at the expensie of others. I think the pranks between her at Matt Lauer were disgusting.
I also picture her being similar to Steve Havey when he sent out a memo to employees to not approach him and not speak to him unless he asked to speak to them. I understand when you have tons of employees, a lot of time can be eaten up with small talk with the celeb, but the way Steve's letter was written was like he was holier than thou and very mean. Curbing some of the chit chat could have been handled in a different manner.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 1, 2024 1:11:48 GMT
We saw her in a local comedy club before she was in "the big time." After she got her show, someone I know was on her show. My acquaintance had written a fluff book, it was meant as light hearted reading. It was pointing out some some silliness in manners (IIRC). Acquaintance was to be interviewed on the show. Pre show, she met Ellen, there was some light talk and A was at ease and thought things would go well. Once they were on air (taping) Ellen turned vicious and put her down at every comment. A was stunned that Ellen did that to her. At end of her time on the show, she let the set and didn't even say any polite goodbye. My opinion of Ellen dropped. I was working when her show was on, but was never tempted to watch.
ETA: I looked up the book. Title: New Times in the Old South: Or Why Scarlett's in Therapy and Tara's Going Condo Author: Marilyn Schwartz You can see from the title that it is humor.
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