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Post by Merge on Oct 3, 2024 13:35:23 GMT
I do feel compelled to point out that Republicans axed the individual mandate in 2017, which is why your brother hasn't been penalized and in large part why prices have gone up (and providers become fewer) for the rest of us. I also think the quality of lies told between the two parties is vastly different. "I was in China at this time" when it was really some other time strikes me as far less consequential than "The election was stolen" and "I never told anyone to riot about it." The only thing axed about it was the tax penalty. The mandate still stands. And of course, some states DO have mandates. Mine is one of them. The point isn't that my brother got away without having to pay into the pot. The point is that it was sold as a way for everybody to have (implied "affordable") healthcare. And that's not what it was, at all. It did not result in everybody having healthcare. I don't understand why people hear these cockamamie pie in the sky promises and act as if that is what is going to happen. Then count the votes and start making the excuses about why the other guys didn't let you do the thing you promised you would do, knowing you couldn't unilaterally do it, but hey, gullible people who actually have hope will trust you. Lies are lies. How hard is it to be honest? Why does integrity matter so little to so many people? This guy has a serious history of lying. Why can't it just be said? Just because it is a little lie to you, and inconsequential to you, doesn't make it inconsequential. If something was so moving- so damn meaningful, why lie? All thinking people know, the data shows, and the fact Joe Biden is president are meaningful proof that Trump lost in 2020. Why is Trump's lie worse than a guy that says he was at a horrific historical event, and he was not? Because one is an ugly orange guy? The misspeaks, exuberances, embellishments (btw.. the word we are looking for here is lies...) keep coming. This guy is seriously lacking integrity. Blatant lies about where you were at a very specific time that you say was incredibly meaningful, that's ok because the other guy lies, just call it a misspeak. Lying is not ok. No matter what color your tie is on debate night. Yall also don't care about drunk driving in this thread I guess... Hell.. to know whether it is wrong or not, one Pea wants data about the prevalence of law enforcement letting people go or drunk driving in general? Does that matter? WRONG is wrong. No matter what night of the week. But every other thread on this board where it is brought up= torches and pitchforks. But because he's a Democrat against the ugly orange man, it's ok. It actually makes me feel alot better reading this thread. You all aren't so different after all. A "mandate" without any means for enforcement isn't really a mandate, but I think you know that. Doesn't change the fact that reducing the risk pool drives up costs for everyone. I'm sure you can also understand that a mandate would have forced more young, healthy people into the risk pool to reduce costs over time for everyone - but again, Republicans wouldn't allow that to stand. I can't control what individual states do, and frankly, neither can Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. I know that red states like mine, with no mandate, no Medicaid expansion, and the highest percentage of uninsured in the country, also have some of the highest healthcare costs and number of people burdened with substantial medical debt. That doesn't seem like a good thing for the state or the country to me. Something to understand about promises that politicians make is that they have to assume that even their opponents will act in good faith. Since the election of Barack Obama, Republicans have failed to act in good faith - to actually govern through compromise - every step of the way. Mitch McConnell made their intentions in that regard quite clear. It was never about concerns about healthcare for them. It was entirely about making sure Obama never had a legislative win. So I'm not really sure why you're angry at the Democrats, who made a good faith effort to deliver on their campaign promises, when it was the other party that stymied them. We will have to agree to disagree about the weight and cost of some lies vs. others. From what I've seen of Tim Walz so far, his intent is not to defraud the American people. Whereas JD Vance has made it quite clear that is exactly what he intends to do, and he's proud of it. And yesterday we got the full history of the lies Trump has told on just one subject and the fact that he knew they were lies and has kept on telling them, leading to several deaths and the complete fracturing of the American people. It's incomprehensible to me that you can't see the difference. And to say that we're "not so different after all" on this issue? Please. That's just lazy thinking. FWIW, very few people are more against drunk driving than I am, as I've suffered a very personal loss from that crime. But our system of justice says that someone who has paid their penalty is a free citizen like any of the rest of us. And further, my personal sense of morality says that someone who owns up to a failing, pays the penalty, learns from it, and makes sure it doesn't happen again is to be respected. We have a lot of evidence from Walz's life so far that he is basically a decent person who has done a lot of good for people. We have no such evidence about Vance. I am sorry that you are so angry about having to vote for someone you hate. I do think, however, that your anger is misplaced. Save it for the party that allowed itself to be taken over by Trump and dominated by a constant stream of lies and disinformation. One of our two parties being nonviable hurts everyone, Democrats included. |
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Post by mom on Oct 3, 2024 13:39:12 GMT
You seem to think I’m a Trumper. Ha. Ok. Trump is a liar. We know this. But you don’t see me ever justifying what he says, like many are bending over to justify what Walz says. IMHO, they are both f*ing liars and I have no issue saying so. I just don't understand why you keep bringing up Walz but I don't recall you ever questioning why Trump or Vance lie. Or saying it bothers you or mentioning that you hope someone brings it up to them. I am wondering why you don't mention that it bothers you when Trump or Vance lie? I don't think you are a Trumper. I do think you lean Republican and I do think you hold the Democrats to a much different and higher standard than you hold the Maga and Republican crowds. I think it is disingenuous to keep bringing up Walz and not Vance's myriad lies. And when asked about it you deflect. It bothers me because that is the same behavior our resident troll uses and I think better of you. Even your response when you acknowledge that you said Walz was in the city where it happened was dismissive of your misinformation and blaming Walz. Well, I guess the good thing is you don't have to understand it. I have only discussed Watz 3 times -- when he was nominated I stated that I did not know much about him. I said he wasn't on my short list for VP because I wanted Pete or Josh, but I listened to Minn Peas who had such great things to say about him. Then when Walz misspoke about the military stuff, I posted that it pissed me off. And it did.And then I posted about him mispeaking again about Tiananmen Square and I hoped he addressed it. He did and I didn't buy his gosh darn, I misspoke again excuse. I know why Trump lies - but I admit it. I am curious why Walz tells these things that don't really matter and seem to be easily proven. Is it because he didn't have a primary season that would have normally found all this crap out? Maybe. Is he a pathological liar about shit that really doesn't matter? I doubt it, but I've only really watched him since the beginning of August. Thats all. I have never hidden the fact that I was a Republican voter until 2020. I've never hidden the fact that I am very much someone without a Party now. But I also have been vocal about being open to not voting party lines and voting for what I consider non-perfect candidates. And I have voted for candidates that I normally would not have and I have supported candidates that don't have R after their names. But do I bash every political candidate nonstop, like many do here? Nope. I don't need to. Y'all have that covered from every angle. |
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Post by huskergal on Oct 3, 2024 13:54:30 GMT
Trump lies all the time. ALL THE TIME. He tells dangerous lies that get people hurt.Who was hurt by Tim Walz's lie? He lied. Is he a serial liar like Trump? Vance told so many lies it made my head spin around. Is that okay? Specific, innocent people like the poll workers in Georgia and others. And the worst part is that he gets away with it over and over and over again. By the time anyone ever calls him on it the damage has already been done. Legal Haitian immigrants |
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Post by Merge on Oct 3, 2024 14:49:43 GMT
Specific, innocent people like the poll workers in Georgia and others. And the worst part is that he gets away with it over and over and over again. By the time anyone ever calls him on it the damage has already been done. Legal Haitian immigrants Hispanic US citizens killed in an El Paso Walmart by a gunman who specifically cited rhetoric about an immigrant "invasion." |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 3, 2024 15:07:48 GMT
Hispanic US citizens killed in an El Paso Walmart by a gunman who specifically cited rhetoric about an immigrant "invasion." 140 Capitol police officers injured, $3 million in damage, 1200 people charged & convicted on Jan 6 because of Trump's lies voter suppression laws because Trump lied and Republicans enabled him |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 3, 2024 15:10:55 GMT
I just don't understand why you keep bringing up Walz but I don't recall you ever questioning why Trump or Vance lie. Or saying it bothers you or mentioning that you hope someone brings it up to them. I am wondering why you don't mention that it bothers you when Trump or Vance lie? I don't think you are a Trumper. I do think you lean Republican and I do think you hold the Democrats to a much different and higher standard than you hold the Maga and Republican crowds. I think it is disingenuous to keep bringing up Walz and not Vance's myriad lies. And when asked about it you deflect. It bothers me because that is the same behavior our resident troll uses and I think better of you. Even your response when you acknowledge that you said Walz was in the city where it happened was dismissive of your misinformation and blaming Walz. Well, I guess the good thing is you don't have to understand it. I have only discussed Watz 3 times -- when he was nominated I stated that I did not know much about him. I said he wasn't on my short list for VP because I wanted Pete or Josh, but I listened to Minn Peas who had such great things to say about him. Then when Walz misspoke about the military stuff, I posted that it pissed me off. And it did.And then I posted about him mispeaking again about Tiananmen Square and I hoped he addressed it. He did and I didn't buy his gosh darn, I misspoke again excuse. I know why Trump lies - but I admit it. I am curious why Walz tells these things that don't really matter and seem to be easily proven. Is it because he didn't have a primary season that would have normally found all this crap out? Maybe. Is he a pathological liar about shit that really doesn't matter? I doubt it, but I've only really watched him since the beginning of August. Thats all. I have never hidden the fact that I was a Republican voter until 2020. I've never hidden the fact that I am very much someone without a Party now. But I also have been vocal about being open to not voting party lines and voting for what I consider non-perfect candidates. And I have voted for candidates that I normally would not have and I have supported candidates that don't have R after their names. But do I bash every political candidate nonstop, like many do here? Nope. I don't need to. Y'all have that covered from every angle. Maybe we've covered Trump, but Vance's lies seem to be missing from a conversation about the VP debate and Walz's lies. What Walz did was wrong, but thankfully he didn't hurt anyone. Vance is hurting people with his lies about Haitian immigrants. And his unwillingness to say Biden won the election is also really dangerous. His willingness to violate the constitution and overthrow an election are also really alarming. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 3, 2024 16:41:13 GMT
Trump and Vance are constantly lying about crime and immigration. They have falsely accused Haitian immigrants (here legally) of eating cats and dogs. They falsely blamed them for spreading HIV. They falsely blamed immigrants for all kinds of things - crime, fentanyl, cost of housing etc. They're exaggerating the benefits that migrants receive. They're lying about undocumented migrants voting. They're lying about the economy. They're lying about tariffs. They're lying about child tax credits. Trump and Vance claimed children are getting sex change operations without parents' knowledge. Vance falsely claimed Walz signed a law that would take children away from parents if they didn't consent to sex changes. They're lying about Walz' s military service. They're lying about the 2020 election. They have falsely blamed Democrats for the assassination attempts. In the debate, Vance lied so many times about everything under the sun, I can't even count. Climate & EnergyVance lied about energy production in the US. He questioned the seriousness of climate change and called it weird science. He lied about the US having the cleanest economy. He lied about the estimated impact of drilling more. He lied about energy production and investments in renewable and other forms of energy. ImmigrationHe refused to walk back his lies about Springfield. (He's previously admitted he lied but justified it) He continued to lie about the situation in Springfield, Ohio. He lied about the labor force and migrants. He lied about the source of fentanyl, falsely blaming migrants. He lied about gun smuggled and an "open border". Vance falsely blamed immigrants for the cost of housing. Vance falsely claimed children were lost by the Department of Homeland Security. Vance vastly overstated the number of undocumented migrants. He lied about the process of applying for asylum. Health CareHe lied about the 2017 tax cuts and who benefited. He falsely claimed Trump saved Obamacare. He repeated falsehoods about pre-existing conditions and the Affordable Care Act. He falsely gave Trump credit for price transparency in health care. Vance lied about the Minnesota abortion law. He lied about supporting a national abortion ban. CrimeHe lied about crime again. He lied about how guns used in crimes were obtained. Foreign PolicyHe lied about Iran receiving frozen assets during the Biden administration. EconomyVance overstated inflation and didn't account for global factors and other macroeconomic causes. Vance lied about the price of goods and the impact of manufacturing goods overseas. He lied about the 2017 tax cuts and who benefited. Falsely blamed Harris for policies that led to more energy production in China and more manufacturing overseas. Falsely claimed Trump's policies delivered largest take home pay in generations. OtherVance falsely described Harris' role in the administration. Vance inaccurately described the child care situation. Vance lied about military conflicts during Trump's presidency. Elections and Jan 6He misrepresented Democrats' response to previous elections. He lied about peaceful protesters on Jan 6. He falsely claimed there was a peaceful transfer of power. Vance lied more in 90 minutes than Walz has in the last 6 weeks. www.npr.org/2024/10/02/nx-s1-5135675/jd-vance-tim-walz-vp-debate-fact-checkwww.nytimes.com/live/2024/10/01/us/factcheck-walz-vance |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 3, 2024 21:12:46 GMT
I agree. Vance is a more polished version of Trump, but just as dangerous to democracy. www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/opinion/jd-vance-trump-walz.htmlthe normal stuff — the details of one economic proposal versus another, the major and minor line items on the candidates’ curricula vitae — doesn’t matter in this abnormal election, because a single consideration nullifies all others. It’s this:
One candidate is prepared to incite violence if it serves his purposes. We know that because he has done so already. That candidate will invent ugly fictions and promote illegal schemes to overturn the results of an election that doesn’t go his way. That’s not my paranoia talking; that’s his record. He places his vanity, his cupidity, his every want and whim above the integrity of our democracy, the dignity of the presidency and the welfare of the nation. Just a week of his social media posts and a month of his rallies make that clear.
And the crucial takeaway from the vice-presidential debate was Vance’s audacious claim — I questioned my own hearing — that Donald Trump honored the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another when his administration ended and Joe Biden’s began. In what alternate timeline? In what parallel universe?
With that comment and with others, Vance laundered and sanctioned Trump’s depravity, telling us not merely that he stands with Trump but that he sinks every bit as low as Trump. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 3, 2024 21:16:41 GMT
Vance likes to ignore the fact that he went to Yale. I think this fund raiser from former classmates is an excellent idea and very telling. www.nytimes.com/2024/10/02/us/politics/jd-vance-yale-classmates-haitian-migrants.htmlDozens of former classmates of Senator JD Vance of Ohio spent Tuesday night’s vice-presidential debate donating money to a fund for Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, raising more than $10,000.
In interviews, some donors characterized the contributions as an effort to repair part of the damage the Trump-Vance campaign — and Mr. Vance himself — caused by spreading bogus rumors that migrants were stealing and eating pets. Haitians living in Springfield and the broader community have faced an array of threats over the debunked claims.
Peter Chen — who was a member of the Yale Law Class of 2013 along with Mr. Vance and his wife, Usha Vance — organized the campaign in a class discussion group on Tuesday. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 3, 2024 21:32:47 GMT
One more perspective www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/opinion/masha-gessen-vp-debate.htmlWe, as journalists, do our absolute worst when we engage in a kind of false evenhandedness. What I think their thinking was — and I can only conjecture — but their thinking was probably: We have one candidate who is in the habit of lying, as is his running mate. Let’s find a way that we can show that we’re equally critical of both candidates.
So before Vance even has to face a question about Jan. 6 or about whether Trump lost the 2020 election, let’s ask Walz why he lied about being in Hong Kong during Tiananmen Square.
Clip of vice-presidential debate
Margaret Brennan: You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989. But Minnesota public radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn’t travel to Asia until August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy? You have two minutes.
Tim Walz: Yeah. Well, and to the folks out there who didn’t get at the top of this …
Gessen: The idea that that is in any way comparable to the kinds of really malignant lies that Trump and Vance have been spreading intentionally. There is no equality here. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 3, 2024 23:29:26 GMT
I just don't understand why you keep bringing up Walz but I don't recall you ever questioning why Trump or Vance lie. Or saying it bothers you or mentioning that you hope someone brings it up to them. I am wondering why you don't mention that it bothers you when Trump or Vance lie? I don't think you are a Trumper. I do think you lean Republican and I do think you hold the Democrats to a much different and higher standard than you hold the Maga and Republican crowds. I think it is disingenuous to keep bringing up Walz and not Vance's myriad lies. And when asked about it you deflect. It bothers me because that is the same behavior our resident troll uses and I think better of you. Even your response when you acknowledge that you said Walz was in the city where it happened was dismissive of your misinformation and blaming Walz. Well, I guess the good thing is you don't have to understand it. I have only discussed Watz 3 times -- when he was nominated I stated that I did not know much about him. I said he wasn't on my short list for VP because I wanted Pete or Josh, but I listened to Minn Peas who had such great things to say about him. Then when Walz misspoke about the military stuff, I posted that it pissed me off. And it did.And then I posted about him mispeaking again about Tiananmen Square and I hoped he addressed it. He did and I didn't buy his gosh darn, I misspoke again excuse. I know why Trump lies - but I admit it. I am curious why Walz tells these things that don't really matter and seem to be easily proven. Is it because he didn't have a primary season that would have normally found all this crap out? Maybe. Is he a pathological liar about shit that really doesn't matter? I doubt it, but I've only really watched him since the beginning of August. Thats all. I have never hidden the fact that I was a Republican voter until 2020. I've never hidden the fact that I am very much someone without a Party now. But I also have been vocal about being open to not voting party lines and voting for what I consider non-perfect candidates. And I have voted for candidates that I normally would not have and I have supported candidates that don't have R after their names. But do I bash every political candidate nonstop, like many do here? Nope. I don't need to. Y'all have that covered from every angle. I think the fact that you are so bothered by Walz and brought it up several times on this thread alone but didn't bring up Vance because we all covered makes you concern for people's lying disingenuous,that's all. If you were so concerned about someone's ability to lead because they lie you should be bringing up Vance as well. You're no better than Sunshine is all I am saying. |
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Post by mom on Oct 4, 2024 0:33:51 GMT
Well, I guess the good thing is you don't have to understand it. I have only discussed Watz 3 times -- when he was nominated I stated that I did not know much about him. I said he wasn't on my short list for VP because I wanted Pete or Josh, but I listened to Minn Peas who had such great things to say about him. Then when Walz misspoke about the military stuff, I posted that it pissed me off. And it did.And then I posted about him mispeaking again about Tiananmen Square and I hoped he addressed it. He did and I didn't buy his gosh darn, I misspoke again excuse. I know why Trump lies - but I admit it. I am curious why Walz tells these things that don't really matter and seem to be easily proven. Is it because he didn't have a primary season that would have normally found all this crap out? Maybe. Is he a pathological liar about shit that really doesn't matter? I doubt it, but I've only really watched him since the beginning of August. Thats all. I have never hidden the fact that I was a Republican voter until 2020. I've never hidden the fact that I am very much someone without a Party now. But I also have been vocal about being open to not voting party lines and voting for what I consider non-perfect candidates. And I have voted for candidates that I normally would not have and I have supported candidates that don't have R after their names. But do I bash every political candidate nonstop, like many do here? Nope. I don't need to. Y'all have that covered from every angle. I think the fact that you are so bothered by Walz and brought it up several times on this thread alone but didn't bring up Vance because we all covered makes you concern for people's lying disingenuous,that's all. If you were so concerned about someone's ability to lead because they lie you should be bringing up Vance as well. You're no better than Sunshine is all I am saying. Ok. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 1:29:15 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2024 1:36:47 GMT
The truth about the Springfield OH geese.. The white guy did it... he grabbed the geese and shot them!! x.com/stevanzetti/status/1841835234641207615It turns out that someone was illegally killing geese in Springfield, Ohio, but it wasn't a Haitian immigrant. Donald Trump and Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) spread baseless claims that the city's sizable Haitian immigrant population was stealing and eating other residents' pets, and police investigated rumors they were also killing Canada geese – but journalist Steven Monacelli found exactly one such case involving a white man from the area on the day of the presidential debate. "Complainant Michael Dudley ... observed a white male in his late 50s or early 60s, who was heavy set and riding a lawnmower, get off the lawnmower with a shotgun and shoot two geese near water on [Rocky Lake Golf Course]," police said in an incident report. "The man picked up the first goose and tossed it into the weeds. The second goose was wounded and as he collected it the man twisted it breaking its neck. This goose was disposed of in the same manner." Police spoke to the golf course manager the following day, Sept. 11, and she admitted that she allowed several individuals to hunt geese on the property, and based on the witness description she believed the hunter was one of her employees named Brian Comer, who then called officers himself."Mr. Comer advised that he was responsible for shooting the geese," police said. "Mr. Comer advised that he thought the golf course had a nuisance permit and that he could shoot the geese." However, police found the golf course did not hold a goose damage permit, and Comer did not have the necessary permits required to shoot the geese, and he was cited for hunting without an Ohio wetlands stamp, a fourth-degree misdemeanor that carries a maximum 30-day jail term or $250 in fines. www.rawstory.com/springfield-ohio-trump-2669321357/ |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 1:38:04 GMT
one more psychpathAvanti @peteravanti
Shawna Vercher on JD Vance’:
“Watching someone spew falsehoods so effortlessly without even flinching, came across like a psychopath who’s calmly explaining to you why it’s your fault he’s about to harm you.”
Trump 2.0 devoid of humanity. The face of 21st Century American fascism |
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 4, 2024 4:44:39 GMT
I do feel compelled to point out that Republicans axed the individual mandate in 2017, which is why your brother hasn't been penalized and in large part why prices have gone up (and providers become fewer) for the rest of us. I also think the quality of lies told between the two parties is vastly different. "I was in China at this time" when it was really some other time strikes me as far less consequential than "The election was stolen" and "I never told anyone to riot about it." The only thing axed about it was the tax penalty. The mandate still stands. And of course, some states DO have mandates. Mine is one of them. The point isn't that my brother got away without having to pay into the pot. The point is that it was sold as a way for everybody to have (implied "affordable") healthcare. And that's not what it was, at all. It did not result in everybody having healthcare. I don't understand why people hear these cockamamie pie in the sky promises and act as if that is what is going to happen. Then count the votes and start making the excuses about why the other guys didn't let you do the thing you promised you would do, knowing you couldn't unilaterally do it, but hey, gullible people who actually have hope will trust you. Lies are lies. How hard is it to be honest? Why does integrity matter so little to so many people? This guy has a serious history of lying. Why can't it just be said? Just because it is a little lie to you, and inconsequential to you, doesn't make it inconsequential. If something was so moving- so damn meaningful, why lie? All thinking people know, the data shows, and the fact Joe Biden is president are meaningful proof that Trump lost in 2020. Why is Trump's lie worse than a guy that says he was at a horrific historical event, and he was not? Because one is an ugly orange guy?The misspeaks, exuberances, embellishments (btw.. the word we are looking for here is lies...) keep coming. This guy is seriously lacking integrity. Blatant lies about where you were at a very specific time that you say was incredibly meaningful, that's ok because the other guy lies, just call it a misspeak. Lying is not ok. No matter what color your tie is on debate night. Yall also don't care about drunk driving in this thread I guess... Hell.. to know whether it is wrong or not, one Pea wants data about the prevalence of law enforcement letting people go or drunk driving in general? Does that matter? WRONG is wrong. No matter what night of the week. But every other thread on this board where it is brought up= torches and pitchforks. But because he's a Democrat against the ugly orange man, it's ok. It actually makes me feel alot better reading this thread. You all aren't so different after all. The bolded part. Are you serious? You really don’t understand why one lie was worse than the other? You don’t understand the ramifications of trump’s lie? Interesting. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2024 9:48:06 GMT
Let us not forget how and what TFG lied about his views and participation on/during and after 9/11. Sure he was there. Digging on the pile. He gave and gave and gave. Just like he did the other day claiming HE provided supplies to Georgia for Helene survivors. He provided nothing but a platform for Franklin Graham to enter in/on the scene with publicity. Samantha's Purse would probably have been there whether TFG was there or not.
Which incident, Walz/China or TFG/9/11, is/was more iconic/devastating to the American public..?? I know, do you?
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 4, 2024 17:07:08 GMT
Trump and Vance literally have zero plans to address the cost of childcare or housing. Biden and Harris' plans are not perfect, but they are trying. Harris and Walz will expand the child tax credit. As governor, Walz expanded state child tax credits and built a family leave program. Harris does have plans to build houses. She's calling for a $40 billion innovation fund for affordable housing. She plans to create incentives for builders to build starter homes. A huge part of the problem is that developers can make more money by building McMansions. Both child care and housing are complicated and the result of years of capitalism and other things. There is no quick fix to either situation. The only long term solution for both is government investment - in affordable housing, assisting parents with paying for child care and increasing wages and training for child care workers. www.cnbc.com/2024/08/18/with-harris-economic-plan-us-family-child-care-crisis-is-in-election.htmlwww.pbs.org/newshour/economy/harris-has-proposed-a-slew-of-economic-policies-heres-a-look-at-whats-in-themYes. Very complex. Offering grandiose unachievable, downright false, and detrimental solutions is no better than sticking his tongue out and saying neener neener. Government investment means “taxpayer” money to subsidize. I will happily (giddy over the moon happy- we are all in this together!) walk back this statement if Harris is elected and they actually implement some serious equitable tax on the Uber wealthy that makes those subsidies not just be yanked from my paycheck and given to someone else.But, reality and history tell me that’s exactly the same as making Mexico pay for building a stupid wall. Only stupid people believe that’s gonna happen. Even stupider people believe it did happen. When Obama was elected, my mother sat there in tears. She was so happy that my brother was finally going to be able to get the mental health care that she believes he need it. Spoiler alert 15 years later most healthcare systems have had a consolidate me to get Obamacare mandates. Healthcare has become way more expensive and unaccessible. My brother never did buy into the marketplace. Nor has he ever been penalized like was supposed to happen to force “young healthy” people to buy coverage they don’t want and/or can’t afford. Of course those of us that do follow our federal and often state healthcare insurance mandates simply pay a lot more. Mom is the most ridiculous Trumper you’ll ever meet. Lofty promises and lies. These people, both parties, no very well with the executive branch can, and cannot accomplish unilaterally. But yet, they keep telling you what you want to hear. And I go back to probably my very first post in this thread, Walz yet again, demonstrated that he has no problem lying to the faces of the American people. He’ll fit in very well in Washington. President Biden.. on twitter ”This morning we got some great news on our economy, which has created 16 million jobs under my Administration. Now, Congress must pass our plan to lower costs by building millions of homes, capping prescription drug prices, and cutting taxes for hardworking folks. I’m curious, what do you think the chances are that Congress will pass the bill the President is talking about? To be successful at a job one must have the necessary tools to do the job with. It is the responsibility of the employer to make sure the employee has those tools. In the case of a president the “tools” would be a strong majority in both the House and Senate. And the employer would be the voter. So if she is elected and the voters don’t give her a strong majority in both chambers of Congress then things like voters right act, fixing health care, dealing with immigration among other things will not get done. And we can thank the voters. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 21:31:36 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 22:55:24 GMT
regarding the consequences of Trump's lies www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/04/newsletter-trump-lies/Trump is a master liar. There are his insulting lies (Vice President Kamala Harris is “mentally disabled”). Then there are his xenophobic (“They are eating the dogs, the people that came in. They’re eating the cats.”) and antisemitic (saying Jews will be responsible if he loses) lies.
There are his economically ignorant falsehoods (e.g., foreign countries pay tariffs). There are his lies to raise resentment and anger at the current administration (e.g., it is denying aid to hurricane victims, crime is rising, tens of thousands of migrant murderers are running loose). There are his lies to deflect blame (e.g., former House speaker Nancy Pelosi is responsible for the attack on Jan. 6, 2021; sexual assault victim E. Jean Carroll, who successfully sued Trump for defamation twice, was lying). There are his lies about Democrats (e.g., they favor infanticide).
Trump also recycles numerous lies about the American people (e.g., everyone wanted to repeal Roe v. Wade, women love him) and his own record (e.g., his economy was the “greatest” ever, he had a perfect call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, troops under his command suffered only “headaches” from an Iranian attack). He even lies about what he said (e.g., denying he ever signaled openness to restricting contraception). His lies undermining democracy might be the most dangerous (e.g., he won in 2020, millions of illegal immigrants are registering to vote).
We should not forget the “merely” ludicrous assertions of his own powers. (e.g., Hamas would not have attacked Israel if he were president, he could “settle” the Ukraine war) and dystopian predictions if he loses (e.g., we won’t have a country, there will be a “bloodbath”). And his absurd conspiracy theories can never be disproven (e.g., the Deep State). His exaggerations about his wealth, his physical health and his cognitive performance are among the most cringeworthy.
His lies are so prolific, they prompt some to question whether he knows he is lying. But like many authoritarian leaders, Trump uses his go-to tactic to bend reality and bamboozle the public. He lies to conceal his own abject failures, criminality, incompetence, disloyalty and ignorance — and the lies are made more potent when the right-wing media echoes his lies and the mainstream media presents his distortions as he said-she said disputes. For him, it’s better to be called a liar (and rely on the public’s suspicion that “all politicians lie”) than acknowledge his manifest faults and failures.
There are psychological explanations for his lying. There are historical and political explanations for his lying. But the consequences of his lies — stoking fear, hatred and distrust of democratic elections — are disastrous for democracy, which depends on a shared understanding of reality. |
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