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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 0:02:22 GMT
Sorry to all of the peas who don't like political threads, I know there are a lot on the front page lately. But, this seemed too significant to just let slide. I think there's very little wiggle room on this - Trump was clearly threatening Cheney. www.npr.org/2024/11/01/g-s1-31443/2024-election-trump-harris-cheneyTrump late Thursday described Cheney as a “radical war hawk” during an onstage conversation with conservative commentator Tucker Carlson in Glendale, Ariz. Cheney, who was one of only two Republicans on the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 riot, is Harris' most prominent Republican supporter.
"Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her," Trump said to Carlson. "Let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face."
"You know they're all war hawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, 'Oh, gee, let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,'" Trump said.A couple of points. For starters, I think Trump is confusing Cheney with her father. In her roles as a senior diplomat in the State Department and a Representative, I think you could hardly call her a "war hawk". She supported her Dad and was in favor of the Iraq war, but she is far from the only Republican to do so. And it seems really unfair and unreasonable to hold her responsible for Dick Cheney's sins. Second, how unbelievably hypocritical for the bone spur draft dodger to disparage Cheney as somehow cowardly or unpatriotic. Cheney made an incredible sacrifice and essentially gave up her political career to do the right thing. Third, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, his language and the message is violent and completely unacceptable. He's talked about brining her before a war tribunal. This is clearly personal and I have no doubt if he wins, he will seek retribution against her. Finally, we need more politicians like Liz Cheney and Adam Kissinger. Fewer like Donald Trump and anyone who excuses his hateful, violent, dangerous, autocratic remarks. dictatorLiz Cheney
This is how dictators destroy free nations. They threaten those who speak against them with death. We cannot entrust our country and our freedom to a petty, vindictive, cruel, unstable man who wants to be a tyrant. #Womenwillnotbesilenced #VoteKamalawww.thebulwark.com/p/trump-wants-to-execute-my-friendIT’S NOT EVERY DAY THE PRESIDENTIAL nominee of a major political party fantasizes out loud about putting your friend in the way of harm and violent death. Yet that’s just what Donald Trump did to Liz Cheney yesterday: “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” he said. “And let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”In the context of criticizing Cheney as a warmonger, the recipient of five draft deferments who called America’s war dead “suckers” and “losers” was implying that she was a coward who would be unwilling to face the danger into which she sent others. Cheney is among the bravest people I know, but it’s important to note that Trump wasn’t just musing on her character. He didn’t phrase his thought as a hypothetical—I wonder how she’d feel if—but as an imperative: “Let’s put her.”
This is an ominous sign of an aspiring dictator who has abandoned any remaining notion of responsibility or respect for our democratic norms. Threats against fellow Americans—especially those who have taken courageous stands for truth and constitutional values—represent not only a moral failing but also a dangerous indicator of the direction we’re heading. This is personal for me, not just as a former colleague of Liz Cheney, but as someone who has also faced similar intimidation simply for doing my duty to the American people.
Trump hasn’t killed anyone. He didn’t say he wanted to kill Cheney. But he has encouraged violence before. He has admired dictators for their brutality and aggression against defenseless, often innocent people. He incited an insurrection against the government that took the lives of multiple people. And he has predicated his whole campaign on revenge and retribution against those who oppose him—which, in his mind, is anyone who doesn’t actively support him.
We must reject Trump’s vision for America. For those who think that warnings about the fraying of democracy are hyperbolic or that it “could never happen here,” remember that every country that lost its democracy once thought the same thing.If Trump’s rhetoric becomes the norm—if violence, threats, and intimidation replace dialogue and cooperation—then the future we’re looking at is one that should deeply concern every American, regardless of party. We will find ourselves in a country we no longer recognize, one where citizens are not equal under the law, and where the voices of the people are silenced or scared into submission. |
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Post by mom on Nov 2, 2024 0:17:08 GMT
His remarks are absolutely bullshit and should not ever be said to anyone.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 2, 2024 0:17:22 GMT
Said it in the other thread, saying it here. This is performance for his supporters who hate powerful women. Who have violent fantasies about women.
Tells you all you need to know.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 0:24:33 GMT
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Post by katlady on Nov 2, 2024 0:27:14 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 0:37:23 GMT
After the assassination attempts, Trump and the Republicans criticized Democrats and admonished them to tone things down. For the most part, Democrats did in good faith tone down the racism talk over the summer. But, as Trump has made abundantly clear- rules for thee not me. He sends a clear message that he doesn't want Democrats to criticize him, but the gloves are off and he can say whatever he wants. Here's an extensive list of Trump's violent rhetoric www.thebulwark.com/p/donald-trump-violent-rhetoric-catalogueHyperbolic and sometimes violence-inflected rhetoric is nothing new to American politics. But by any measure, Trump has taken this rhetoric to a shocking new level. He has done more than any other American political figure to erode our social and cultural norms against political violence. And, if elected, he is very likely to take us even further down that dangerous road.Long history of verbal violence"Revisiting Trump’s long history of flirtation with verbal violence is in order—if only to keep the record straight." It's always in order. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 0:44:38 GMT
The sane washing, gas lighting and spinning from conservative media and Republicans is unbelievable pretend he didn'tThe most frustrating aspect of Trump apologists. The man clearly insinuates something and you all pretend he didn't |
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Post by breetheflea on Nov 2, 2024 0:46:19 GMT
If someone said they wanted to point a gun at my face, I'd get a restraining order and have them arrested.
Why does he get away with this crap?
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 0:50:26 GMT
I hope the Mitt Romneys and George Ws hear this message loud and clear and publicly endorse Harris. She wrote a lot more, this is essentially just the introduction and conclusion. Definitely worth a read or a listen. Somewhere there is a longer clip, I will try to find it Speak now or forever hold your peaceSarah Longwell: "Speak now guys or forever hold your peace, because if he wins by 9,000 votes in one of the industrial Midwest states and becomes president, it's on you guys. On you. I'm glad your hands are so clean." For those who need to hear it:www.thebulwark.com/p/speak-out-now-republicans-or-youll?utm_medium=webSpeak Out Now Republicans, Or You’ll Regret It
Going public with your concerns about Trump is vital, and it could still make a difference.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR FORMER Trump administration officials, Republican electeds (and former electeds), business leaders, and conservative writers and pundits who recognize Donald Trump for the threat he is. Actually, it’s a question for anyone on the right who knows what Trump’s re-election could mean for the country, for liberal democracy, and for the world—and, who, in the face of this threat, has decided to maintain either a posture of silence or both-sides-are-bad neutrality.
My question is this:
How are you going to feel if Trump wins on Tuesday by an extremely narrow margin?
I suspect you’ll spend the next four years holding your breath.
Because if Donald Trump does a tenth of what he has promised—pulls the United States out of NATO, abandons Ukraine and sides with Vladimir Putin, puts RFK Jr. and Elon Musk in charge of serious parts of the American government, rounds up 15 million undocumented immigrants into camps and deports them, seeks political retribution on those who opposed his candidacy—I suspect you’ll come to regret your silence when you could have made a difference.
I can see you holding up your hands to show us how clean they are. Saying, “But I said Donald Trump was a threat! I said I wouldn’t vote for him! What more do you want from me?”
And I get that. I do. The problem is that this moment demands more from all of us.
It demands clarity. And it demands your leadership.
Over the course of your career you’ve asked people to trust you. Either by voting for you, or listening to your advice, or relying on your judgment and analysis.
So why is it suddenly a bridge too far for you to tell everyone what you really believe?
I understand that this moment is hard. Trump could win. Even if he doesn’t win, coming off the sidelines could alienate you from career networks, business opportunities, or even friends and family.
But being a leader means standing up and telling the truth even when it’s hard, or costly, or scary. Especially when it’s hard, or costly, or scary.
It’s still not too late. Every day, more people are speaking out—people with reputations, and reservations, but whose consciences won’t let them sit this one out.
You shouldn’t sit this one out, either. You should not decide, after a career in leadership, that this time you’d rather just be a spectator.
THE REASON I BELIEVE THAT every little bit counts is because conservative-leaning voters say that to me all the time.
In swing-voter focus groups, one thing I hear again and again is that voters are open to hearing from the leaders who served under Trump, who were in the room with him. The messenger is as important as the message, and these people are ready to believe the words of a lifelong Republican or flag officer much more readily than they’ll believe a Democrat telling them the same things.
So if you’re one of the small number of people who can make a difference in this moment, the question is: What are you going to do?
Courage is contagious. And I have one last piece of advice: No one ever regrets doing the right thing.
You won’t regret it, either. So stand up. Do the right thing. It’s our last chance. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 1:06:22 GMT
9 guns pointed at someone's face is the visual of a firing squad, not a battlefield. I love Adam Kissinger for calling out what Trump said Absolute insanityAdam Kinzinger
OF COURSE Donald was thinking about a firing squad. Of course he threatened violence.
Wake up MAGA. He’s the smallest, weakest, weirdest guy to ever occupy the Oval Office . Never again. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 1:21:17 GMT
Sorry, I'm trying not to just post a whole bunch of tweets. But there have also been criticisms of articles that are too long. I'm trying to balance that and share different perspectives on what Trump said. I think if Liz Cheney, Adam Kissinger and Stacey Abrams are all in agreement on something, that's pretty significant. patriotism above partisanshipTrump’s violent threats are a stark reminder of the stakes in this election. His dangerous rhetoric is not leadership—it’s a warning of what’s at risk and a promise of what’s to come. On Tuesday, let’s put patriotism above partisanship. And demand decency for our democracy. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 2, 2024 1:27:19 GMT
Guess this fits here . This low... Who in their right mind fantasizes about killing people..??..?? Although he has just talked about pointing guns at Liz Cheney... Ex-Trump insider: Trust me, he’ll try to put people to death — and here’s how he’ll do itPublished: Nov. 01, 2024, 5:58 p.m. By Kevin Manahan | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com As MAGA world scrambles to defend Donald Trump’s firing squad and military tribunal fantasies about Liz Cheney, disloyal generals and political enemies, a former Trump insider says it’s not hyperbole — the former president actually will try to put people to death if he’s re-elected.Former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham warned that there could be dark days of authoritarian retribution ahead for those who tried to keep Trump out of the White House. The tool: allegations of treason.“In his first admin, Trump felt anyone who disagreed with him/was unwilling to carry out his orders to be treasonous,” she tweeted. “Believe him when he says he’ll go after his perceived enemies. I guarantee treason will be a lever of power he uses as retaliation, which is punishable by death.” Trump already has fantasized about taking action against “the enemy from within” — political foes who include Barack and Michelle Obama, Vice President and presidential opponent Kamala Harris, California Rep. Adam Schiff, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Cheney and others.Cheney has been on Donald Trump’s enemies list since she denounced his behavior around the insurrection, was vice chair of the congressional committee that investigated him, pledged to keep him out of the White House and endorsed and campaigned with Harris. On Thursday, Trump revealed a sick wish to have her shot “in the face” by “nine rifles.” Cheney responded on Friday morning with a tweet: “This is how dictators destroy free nations. They threaten those who speak against them with death. We cannot entrust our country and our freedom to a petty, vindictive, cruel, unstable man who wants to be a tyrant.” The former president and GOP nominee joined conservative broadcaster Tucker Carlson on stage at an event in Glendale, Arizona, on Thursday night where he called the former Republican representative a “radical war hawk,” and revealed his deadly fantasy — four days before the presidential election. www.nj.com/politics/2024/11/ex-trump-insider-trust-me-hell-try-to-put-people-to-death-and-heres-how-hell-do-it.html |
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Post by librarylady on Nov 2, 2024 2:16:06 GMT
My "spin" on this is when DT's handlers saw how the idea was repugnant and not getting followers they decided to spin it this way.
He said what he said and I think it was to drop the suggestion to his minions that someone should shoot her.
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Post by Merge on Nov 2, 2024 2:37:11 GMT
If he’s going to claim he was just suggesting sending her to a war zone, then he’s going to have to admit that cognitively he doesn’t understand the difference between the literal firing squad scenario he described and soldiers being deployed.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 2, 2024 3:22:53 GMT
If someone said they wanted to point a gun at my face, I'd get a restraining order and have them arrested. Why does he get away with this crap? Isn’t he also out on bail? Shouldn’t this be cause for putting him IN jail? |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 4:17:32 GMT
This is the real reason Trump made the violent comments and threats, according to Trump's former National Security Advisor she voted to impeach himRepublican Voters Against Trump @accountablegop
John Bolton: "His criticism of [Cheney] is not based on her being a warhawk or anything else, it's the fact that she voted to impeach him...It's just typical of the way he goes after people when you're on the wrong side of Trump." |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 4:28:33 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 14:55:22 GMT
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-1-2024Trump’s comments to right-wing media figure Tucker Carlson last night at an event in Glendale, Arizona, about former representative Liz Cheney (R-WY), coming as they have after the extraordinary racism and sexism of Trump’s Sunday event at New York City’s Madison Square Garden, have have highlighted the centrality of the campaign's attack on women. “She’s a radical war hawk,” Trump told Carlson, “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK? Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.” Today, Trump surrogates have tried to say that he was referring to Cheney’s positions on American warfare, but it seems pretty clear he is fantasizing about seeing her in front of a firing squad. Journalist Magdi Jacobs noted the parallels between this statement and his 2020 command to the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” the precursor to the Proud Boys’ attacking the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, to try to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. In both statements, Trump avoided explicitly calling for violence, but absolutely set the stage for it. This morning, Cheney responded to Trump’s threat “This is how dictators destroy free nations. They threaten those who speak against them with death. We cannot entrust our country and our freedom to a petty, vindictive, cruel, unstable man who wants to be a tyrant.” While Trump began to attack Cheney openly when she accepted the role of vice-chair of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol, where her presence clearly made Republicans—like Cassidy Hutchinson, aide to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows—willing to share what they knew, Trump’s recent bloody fantasies appear to have broader meaning. Cheney has emerged as the key figure to urge Republican women to vote against Trump, and it is becoming increasingly clear that Trump’s reelection is in trouble in part because white women are abandoning him. The early hints that this is happening, like the huge gender gap showing up in early voting, have sparked a right-wing frenzy of attempts to restore the power of white men over the women in their lives. Right-wing men are insisting that wives should vote as their husbands do, or that women should lose the ability to vote altogether. Trump’s suggestion that Cheney should face a firing squad seems to be a general expression of the anger of white men accustomed to dictating the terms of public life when faced with the reality that they can no longer count on being able to cow the people around them. Trump’s attack on Cheney has galvanized his unpopularity with women, while the larger meaning of the MAGAs’ attacks on women got additional illustration with the news broken today by Lizzie Presser and Kavitha Surana of ProPublica that a pregnant 18-year-old in Texas suffering from sepsis was turned away from emergency rooms twice before doctors at a third visit required two ultrasounds to make sure her fetus no longer had a heartbeat before they would move her into intensive care. She died within hours.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 2, 2024 15:09:25 GMT
The right wing media & MAGA Republican response is really typical. Trump speaks in code to give himself plausible deniability, his surrogates defend him, but his supporters hear the message loud and clear. Just like his message to the Proud Boys- Stand by and Stand back. the link for the original tweet seems broken. here’s the text Magdi Jacobs @magi_jay As the political press asks, "Is Trump ~actually~ threatening Liz Cheney?," let me suggest a different process; one we might call "remembering the past." In 2020, Trump told the Proud Boys to "Stand Back and Stand By." What happened next? and the response Plausible deniability |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 2, 2024 15:51:33 GMT
If someone said they wanted to point a gun at my face, I'd get a restraining order and have them arrested. Why does he get away with this crap? Isn’t he also out on bail? Shouldn’t this be cause for putting him IN jail? This was what I was thinking too. How is he able to make threats like that out loud in a public space? I agree with Harris that saying threatening things like that should make him ineligible to run for office. He must really think he’s untouchable and above the law to the point that he could shoot someone in broad daylight and get away with it. ETA: Threats like that have no place in our country’s leadership. It is so far beyond the pale. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 2, 2024 16:01:03 GMT
Well, so far he has gotten away with everything he has done, threatened to do etc...
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 2, 2024 19:33:29 GMT
He is a disgusting human being. The fact that the Republicans stand behind him is equally as disgusting. And while I wasn't a George Bush fan when he was president, I believe he is a decent person and wants what is best for the country. I'm baffled that he refuses to speak out about this and give his endorsement to Harris.
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Post by breetheflea on Nov 3, 2024 0:02:10 GMT
Just listen to him talk for 2 minutes. Why anyone would vote for that bumbling pile of nonsense for any elected position, but especially president of an entire country baffles me.
I just don't get it.
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Post by valincal on Nov 3, 2024 2:37:02 GMT
Just listen to him talk for 2 minutes. Why anyone would vote for that bumbling pile of nonsense for any elected position, but especially president of an entire country baffles me. I just don't get it. There is nothing to get. He represents an ideology that his followers crave…no brown-skinned immigrants, no religious diversity, no gay people, no transgendered people, no outspoken women, yada yada yada There is literally nothing that can sway a Trumpster to the left. |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 3, 2024 13:00:17 GMT
Just listen to him talk for 2 minutes. Why anyone would vote for that bumbling pile of nonsense for any elected position, but especially president of an entire country baffles me. I just don't get it. There is nothing to get. He represents an ideology that his followers crave…no brown-skinned immigrants, no religious diversity, no gay people, no transgendered people, no outspoken women, yada yada yada There is literally nothing that can sway a Trumpster to the left. There is something to ‘get’ They do espouse & approve his rhetoric they like it and they want this white male theocracy, but then when directly confronted they deny that they are racist, misogynist etc. If they want this magical white man fantasy land so much they why not actually admit it? How are the both proud and embarrassed by what they want? |
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Post by smasonnc on Nov 3, 2024 15:52:51 GMT
There is nothing to get. He represents an ideology that his followers crave…no brown-skinned immigrants, no religious diversity, no gay people, no transgendered people, no outspoken women, yada yada yada There is literally nothing that can sway a Trumpster to the left. Ah, longing for the good old days. I have an acquaintance who posts all kinds of stupid $#*t about the 60s on Facebook. I just think, "Oh, those halcyon days before women could have their own bank accounts or hold 'men's' jobs." |
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Post by Merge on Nov 3, 2024 16:00:17 GMT
There is nothing to get. He represents an ideology that his followers crave…no brown-skinned immigrants, no religious diversity, no gay people, no transgendered people, no outspoken women, yada yada yada There is literally nothing that can sway a Trumpster to the left. Ah, longing for the good old days. I have an acquaintance who posts all kinds of stupid $#*t about the 60s on Facebook. I just think, "Oh, those halcyon days before women could have their own bank accounts or hold 'men's' jobs." Or worse, the ones like Trump who want to go back to the Gilded Age, before women could vote, when much of the working class lived in grinding poverty while robber barons lived like kings, with no union-based or law-based worker protections, while child labor was endemic and Jim Crow reigned in the south. And, of course, the McKinley tariffs, much praised by Trump, which raised the price of consumer goods by up to 50% and caused widespread outrage. Good times! I swear some people have never opened a history book. This is another strong argument for keeping the liberal arts and humanities as a required part of a complete education. We all know what they say about those who don't study history. |
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 3, 2024 16:14:25 GMT
Ah, longing for the good old days. I have an acquaintance who posts all kinds of stupid $#*t about the 60s on Facebook. I just think, "Oh, those halcyon days before women could have their own bank accounts or hold 'men's' jobs." Or worse, the ones like Trump who want to go back to the Gilded Age, before women could vote, when much of the working class lived in grinding poverty while robber barons lived like kings, with no union-based or law-based worker protections, while child labor was endemic and Jim Crow reigned in the south. And, of course, the McKinley tariffs, much praised by Trump, which raised the price of consumer goods by up to 50% and caused widespread outrage. Good times! I swear some people have never opened a history book. This is another strong argument for keeping the liberal arts and humanities as a required part of a complete education. We all know what they say about those who don't study history. Everyone thinks they will be the robber baron, not the sharecropper. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 3, 2024 17:02:11 GMT
Sarah Huckabee Sanders has already signed reversal of child labor laws as have several other states. Kids serving alcohol, meat packing plants, much longer hours etc...
The goes their education!!!!
Sound familiar?
When the deportations have been in the works, someone has to fill the stoop laborers, ditch diggers, wait staff/cooks, housekeeping etc jobs..... Those are the low level Black, brown and Latino jobs in TFG's mind!!!
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 3, 2024 20:35:16 GMT
He added the media to his target list. www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/11/03/trump-rally-media-shooting/LITITZ, Pa. — Donald Trump told a crowd on Sunday that he wouldn’t mind if someone shot at the news media present at his rally here, escalating his violent rhetoric at one of his closing campaign events where he repeatedly veered off-message.
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Trump made the remark while complaining about the bulletproof glass surrounding him onstage — a fixture at his outdoor events since an attempt to assassinate him at a rally in July.
“I have this piece of glass here,” Trump said. “But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news.
“And I don’t mind that so much,” Trump said. “I don’t mind. I don’t mind.” The audience roared with laughter. |
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