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Post by onelasttime on Nov 6, 2024 17:16:56 GMT
My answer? Because no matter how qualified she is this country will not elect a woman president.
And because of that, We the People are going to pay a high price for that fact.
Why do you think trump won?
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Post by christine58 on Nov 6, 2024 17:23:53 GMT
I agree with what you said about her being a woman of color. The other thing I think caused him to win was that Biden pulled out of the race way too late. I think if he had decided not to run in January, that would’ve given the Democratic Party longer to find a more guaranteed to win candidate. Kind of hard to run a successful race in a little over 100 days.
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Post by breetheflea on Nov 6, 2024 17:25:27 GMT
DH (non-Trump Republican, didn't vote for a president this election) trying to spin the next four years as "it won't be that bad," blames Biden. But he's blamed Biden for everything for the last four years so take that with a grain of salt.
The fact that people voted for a rambling, felon, rapist, lying, corrupt, diaper wearing word salad old windbag because he's male just baffles me.
But Biden...
Ugh.
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Post by huskergal on Nov 6, 2024 17:30:18 GMT
My answer? Because no matter how qualified she is this country will not elect a woman president. And because of that, We the People are going to pay a high price for that fact. Why do you think trump won? I will agree with that, but I will also throw in the dismal polling results. 70% of people are not happy with the current state of the country. They looked at Harris as part of the problem. Who said, "It's the economy, stupid." Like it or not, lots of people are focused on that and think Trump will make everything better.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 6, 2024 17:32:03 GMT
Yep,because a woman doesn't have a dick. Biology, evolution, it's all about the dick and seed to spawn. Never about the vessel.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 6, 2024 17:37:39 GMT
they don't know/don't care about all the programs the democratics passed to help the economy. most people do not read any neutral sources, don't pay attention to the news and don't connect what they do have vs what they will have under trump.
lack of education, interest and ready to have an entertainment rather than a serious politician.
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Post by katlady on Nov 6, 2024 17:40:13 GMT
People just did not like the economy and they blamed the Biden/Harris administration for that. Yes, the stock market is doing great. Yes, inflation and unemployment is low. But the average citizen doesn't see that. All they see are the prices in the stores. Unless you want Big Brother stepping in, the government can't do anything about rising prices, whether it be groceries or housing. That is what happens in a free market society. And people also did not like all the crime they see on the news. Don't forget to throw in the "open" borders.
I think there is some truth in people not ready to vote for a woman president, but I think the economy, or the perceived economy, was the important factor.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Nov 6, 2024 17:44:50 GMT
I was wondering the same thing. There's so much blame on Biden and Harris by association. I honestly wonder who Democrats think could have won. What if we knew from the beginning Biden wasn't going to run, who do you all think should have run that could have won? As much as I wanted Clinton to win in 2016 I think Biden should have run then. I think he could have beaten Trump in 2016 and then I don't think Trump would have bothered to run in 2020 or if he had he would have been defeated again because he wouldn't have had 4 years to rally his idiotic followers and ramp them up.
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Post by justkat on Nov 6, 2024 17:48:43 GMT
IMO it's not a single thing,it's a combination of:
1...Americans will not put a woman (especially of colour) in the oval office. Hilary Clinton was the single most qualified presidential candidate in history and we all know how that turned out
2...stupid people vote too. People don't research,don't educate themselves on candidates,issues etc. They hear what they want as they stick their heads in the sand. I'd be wealthy if I'd been given a dime every time a Trumpster said he doesn't mean what he says or that he won't do the things he says. Huh,so why you voting for him?!
3...the most important issue for a vast majority of Americans isn't gun control,equal rights,healthcare,civil rights,education etc it's money. People blame Biden for the economy and somehow believe Trump will magically create a world in which everything costs 5¢ and put a gazillion dollars in their pockets (see #2)
4...in the light of day people loudly support equal rights,civil rights,inclusivity etc while under the protection of darkness burn crosses on lawns. In other words,they claim we're all equal until Trump tells parents of murdered children to get over it or says that POWs are losers or calls people garbage and then their tiny black hearts cheer. They're showing their true selves.
5...Biden bowed out too late
6...Kamala didn't distance herself from Biden. Polls showed Americans weren't happy with him and/or his presidency yet she kept saying she wouldn't have done anything differently. IMO people saw that as four more years of Biden which they didn't want.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 6, 2024 17:50:51 GMT
My answer? Because no matter how qualified she is this country will not elect a woman president. And because of that, We the People are going to pay a high price for that fact. Why do you think trump won? I agree and I wish our GD party would have handled this better. It didn’t help that Harris didn’t even go through the primary nomination. It’s 2016 all over again and I’m really f*cking pissed off.
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Post by ellen on Nov 6, 2024 17:59:26 GMT
I think it is an anti-woke vote. That includes a lot of things - sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.
Donald Trump has his voters that will turn out for him. He did some absolutely ridiculous/awful things leading up to the election and people did not care at all. I think we were going to lose no matter what.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 6, 2024 18:04:54 GMT
Because the democrats won’t play by the same rules as republicans. It’s long past time to get down and dirty.
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Post by Tearisci on Nov 6, 2024 18:08:05 GMT
Because the democrats won’t play by the same rules as republicans. It’s long past time to get down and dirty. I hope we never get that dirty.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Nov 6, 2024 18:08:24 GMT
I was watching Prime streaming last night and at one point someone was talking about how alienated white men felt from the democratic party. And then extended it to men in general. They talked about how much Trump went on the "bro podcasts" (their words, not mine) and how in recent years it has become unacceptable to be a man and do manly things. I was telling my DH that and he said, yep, that's true. I saw him vote for Kamala and he is not a "bro" by any means but that statement didn't surprise him at all. And I am having a really hard time with understanding that. I don't have a problem with men being men....oh wait, you want me to be ok with men grabbing women by the p($$y, or assaulting other boys in the locker room (local story) or....yeah, I am not ok with that. So, I think misogyny played a big freaking part.
Yes, the economy played a part too. Egg prices, sure. But deep down, millions of people don't think a woman should be president. And all the rest is just ways to justify their thinking.
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Post by peano on Nov 6, 2024 18:09:12 GMT
I quickly read an X post this am where George Conway responded to someone (I’m paraphrasing) who said people elected T because his behavior gave them permission to give rise to and act out their worst impulses. His response: yes.
I think it’s this and also because most people have no advanced system of ethics and morals. If they have anything at all, it’s from religious training which predicates salvation on “good behavior”. If you are not moved to behave in an ethical way because you believe in treating people well and it’s the right thing to do, then you really have no ethical foundation. I think people are just so empty today and are terrified. It makes them vulnerable to pitches like “I alone can fix it” and “I will protect women whether they like it or not”
I think misogyny and racism definitely play a part, but there are a lot of psychological causes at play too.
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Post by peano on Nov 6, 2024 18:11:07 GMT
Because the democrats won’t play by the same rules as republicans. It’s long past time to get down and dirty. Well I disagree with that, but I do admit to being very, very weary of Democratic hand-wringing.
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Post by librarylady on Nov 6, 2024 18:15:34 GMT
Economy-- Biden was/is blamed for inflation, but inflation was happening world wide. We have too many who don't look at what is happening in the world, just look at their little world.
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Post by peace on Nov 6, 2024 18:16:37 GMT
but why did we have record breaking turnout and new registered voters and the count is so low? How? It makes NO sense.
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Post by Just T on Nov 6, 2024 18:22:30 GMT
I agree with those who say the economy. I was talking to my brother in law yesterday. I don't know if he voted for Trump or not...he did in 2016, but voted for Biden in 2020. I'm assuming he voted for Trump this time because he kept going on about the price of groceries and gas and how they were lower under Trump. Good freaking grief. I asked him, do you think if Trump wins, prices are magically going to come down? And what about corporations making higher than ever profits?? He had no answer.
I think a lot of it is that certain people are tired of having to be "politically correct" and Trump's open bullying, calling people names, blaming stuff on those dirty immigrants...gave people permission to bring their own hatred out into the open.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 6, 2024 18:25:48 GMT
Former AG Barr has a partial answer. Along with his statement that the case against TFG should be dropped now by Garland and not wait for TFG to fire Smith... But Barr also dropped in another nugget said that 'they' elected TFG with FULL knowledge of his crimes etc. But that really isn't true. Many of them only watch Fox and other right wing media and their social media sights.. They never heard some of the news and were surprised when it was played for them at other times.. "The American people have rendered their verdict on President Trump and decisively chosen him to lead the country for the next four years," Barr said in a statement. "They chose him to lead us with full knowledge of the claims against him by prosecutors around the country. I think Attorney General Garland and State prosecutors should respect the people's decision and dismiss the cases against President Trump now." www.rawstory.com/bill-barr-trump-criminal-cases/
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Post by nightnurse on Nov 6, 2024 18:27:17 GMT
It wasn’t the economy. The economy has been improving under Biden. It tanks following every Republican presidency. The economy was an excuse. It’s the hatred, racism, misogyny and cruelty. The cruelty is the point.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 6, 2024 18:29:01 GMT
Yep,because a woman doesn't have a dick. Biology, evolution, it's all about the dick and seed to spawn. Never about the vessel.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Nov 6, 2024 18:29:04 GMT
I agree with those who say the economy. I was talking to my brother in law yesterday. I don't know if he voted for Trump or not...he did in 2016, but voted for Biden in 2020. I'm assuming he voted for Trump this time because he kept going on about the price of groceries and gas and how they were lower under Trump. Good freaking grief. I asked him, do you think if Trump wins, prices are magically going to come down? And what about corporations making higher than ever profits?? He had no answer. I think a lot of it is that certain people are tired of having to be "politically correct" and Trump's open bullying, calling people names, blaming stuff on those dirty immigrants...gave people permission to bring their own hatred out into the open. I have been thinking about things I have seen that have said "you haven't been bullied and it shows". I guess it really rings true for people. It boggles my mind.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 6, 2024 18:30:14 GMT
I agree with those who say the economy. I was talking to my brother in law yesterday. I don't know if he voted for Trump or not...he did in 2016, but voted for Biden in 2020. I'm assuming he voted for Trump this time because he kept going on about the price of groceries and gas and how they were lower under Trump. Good freaking grief. my DH is the same way... he was complaining about the high price of eggs (and in the land of Thomas, everything should only cost 50 cents... eye roll) and I finally told him BIRD FLU. He had not heard a THING about it. Still doesn't think eggs should be that high, though. He's going to get a rude awakening when prices do not magically drop.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 6, 2024 18:34:46 GMT
Yep,because a woman doesn't have a dick. Biology, evolution, it's all about the dick and seed to spawn. Never about the vessel.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 6, 2024 18:42:46 GMT
While I believe the misogyny and racism impacted the choice of how to move forward, IMO, the reason Trump won is because the post WWII era was so successful, struggle has been redefined.
Costs are high because there is more global competition for raw materials, goods & services and labor, due to overall increases in the worldwide standard of living. Business is so obsessed with how to squeeze a half penny per transaction due to some technological factor, combined with monopolistic industries that increasing *supply* to go along with the increase in demand... that's so 20th century. Barriers to entry by new players is high, intentionally, by wealth protecting their turf. The result is more price and supply volatility than people are accustomed to, and the pandemic accelerated certain trends. It will get worse, until the world figures out how to be more productive. And instead, factions are hellbent on decreasing global productivity with anti-immigration policies, ignoring climate change, wars, etc.
But not exactly bumper sticker, or airing of grievances friendly is it? "I want X, and I don't have X because of you" is much easier.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Nov 6, 2024 19:07:22 GMT
Because the democrats won’t play by the same rules as republicans. It’s long past time to get down and dirty. I completely agree! I am so sick of the Dems taking the high road. So someone tried to kill that asshole twice, oh let's be nice about it. Guess what? The GOP wasn't nice about it. I am 100% sure that the attempts on his life are not going to stop.
I think it is way past the time to be nice.
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Post by Tearisci on Nov 6, 2024 19:11:42 GMT
Because the democrats won’t play by the same rules as republicans. It’s long past time to get down and dirty. I completely agree! I am so sick of the Dems taking the high road. So someone tried to kill that asshole twice, oh let's be nice about it. Guess what? The GOP wasn't nice about it. I am 100% sure that the attempts on his life are not going to stop.
I think it is way past the time to be nice.
I dunno - I agree with the old adage (paraphrasing) - When you get in the mud with a pig, you both get dirty but only the pig likes it.
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Post by stingfan on Nov 6, 2024 19:21:58 GMT
What about the pandemic response? Lots of people were mad about vaccine mandates, lockdowns, extended school closures, mask mandates, etc...
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Post by Rhondito on Nov 6, 2024 19:25:49 GMT
I think it is an anti-woke vote. That includes a lot of things - sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. This is what I've heard from people around me for the last couple of years. I cannot tell you how mad I get when people and politicians in my state refer to "OUR conservative beliefs." They've all won now though. No separation of church and state... we've just kissed that goodbye. With the antichrist at the helm!
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