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Post by Lurkingpea on Nov 10, 2024 19:15:54 GMT
I'm not interested in arguing back and forth with the people gleeful about Trump winning especially when they refuse to answer why they are so happy he won.
But I just want to say for the record that had Biden (2020) or Harris (2024,) said anything about grabbing people by the p****, mocked a reporter, been convicted of even one felony, been convicted of sexual assault, or in general behaved and said the things that Trump did neither one would have had my vote.
These past 8 years have not been so much about party lines for me as they have been about basic human decency, morality, and what is best for our country. Full stop.
I don't think that's explained enough to people. I don't think most of us voted solely for Harris or Biden last election because they were Democrats. We voted for them because the alternative was a convicted felon, rapist, misogynistic racist, human being who can't speak coherently for more than 5 seconds.
Obviously being a Democrat played a part of it because I do believe in their policies but were the roles reversed and the person that was running as a Democrat was Trump they would not have had my vote I would have voted Republican.
How anybody can possibly support him I honestly do not understand.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 10, 2024 20:25:11 GMT
The tweet I saw that partners with Lurkingpea's
"Tens of millions of people believe Bill Clinton is a liar, a sexual assailant, a draft dodger, a criminal, an all around scoundrel unworthy of the office of President of the United States...and just voted to reelect Donald Trump, enthusiastically."
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Post by annie on Nov 10, 2024 20:26:09 GMT
keriwest . Your MO for over a decade has been to drop a turd and never come back to respond.... if you happen to *feel* like coming back, I am curious what names Harris called the president-elect? ETA: and true to form, keriwest deleted her post. Typical. Just typical. And my quote of it disappeared as a result. I was about to comment the same. I actually snicker when I see her name pop up every few years or so on a Republican thread. Predictable. |
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Post by Zee on Nov 11, 2024 0:54:13 GMT
keriwest . Your MO for over a decade has been to drop a turd and never come back to respond.... if you happen to *feel* like coming back, I am curious what names Harris called the president-elect? ETA: and true to form, keriwest deleted her post. Typical. Just typical. And my quote of it disappeared as a result. I was about to comment the same. I actually snicker when I see her name pop up every few years or so on a Republican thread. Predictable. She messed up the quote feature and her response got tacked onto mine so it looks like I said it. That's all I see, anyway. |
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Post by zuke on Nov 11, 2024 11:54:21 GMT
That economy was the residual effects of Obama’s presidency. I was going to say the same thing. A lot of people don't realize that a next president inherits how the prior president left it. Obama left it in great shape. I'm still technically a Republican. I guess what I want to say is that I feel utterly betrayed by my party because of its illogical, insane embrace of Donald Trump, who I don't actually consider a Republican. Has he been a registered Republican longer than he's been a Democrat at this point? I don't know, probably. I did the math once and added up all the pivots from D to R and at that point the D years seemed to outnumber the R years. I guess I don't really care about that any longer. It's important to me that the US President have some semblance of positive personal character. Something...anything. Family man/woman? Great. Military history? Even better. A passion for improving something in the country, in the world? Kind of getting close to the penultimate for me. Our next president not only falls short in personal character--he fills the opposite space. He is the poster boy for everything I do not respect in a person--and especially a man. Anyway, I appreciate your post. You asked where the Republicans are. Here's one answer. I'm sure it's not what you were hoping for. I hope nothing I wrote comes across as an attack. I'm mostly just sad, I guess. Sad and worried. I used to be a republican. Back in the day, no matter what party, they could still have conversations to discuss issues. There was no bashing, bullying, lying, conspiracy theory's, thinking you're above the law etc. They had respect for one another and listened to each other. Then things changed. I realized that no matter who is running for a position, of any party, they can promise you the world. It's all about getting your vote. Then when they get the position, they don't have to do ANY of their promises. That's when I decided that I will only vote for someone that I can respect, is a good role model, treats others with respect etc. If I don't have positive feelings about someone, they won't get my vote. I also don't vote along with the party line. I vote for who I think will be the best for the job at hand. Every party has good and bad. Why give a person that I don't have confidence in, my vote? Seeing how the Rep party was changing to the extreme, I left. I no longer liked what they have become. I changed my party. I'm now independent. I do want to add that since Trump came along, he has played a huge part in dividing our country. There has been so much sadness, hostility no matter who you talk to or where you go. When Harris campaigned, she was a breath of fresh air. I didn't agree with everything she said but I still needed to listen to her to feel like I could breathe. I am typically a Republican, but I am not a Trump Republican. He is a vile human being and an embarrassment to this country and that is as kind as I can be about him. I totally agree with you. I have never felt so negative about someone, and their actions, as I do about Trump. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 11, 2024 12:05:39 GMT
The tweet I saw that partners with Lurkingpea's "Tens of millions of people believe Bill Clinton is a liar, a sexual assailant, a draft dodger, a criminal, an all around scoundrel unworthy of the office of President of the United States...and just voted to reelect Donald Trump, enthusiastically." Right? Clinton a scoundrel; Trump a good guy. 🤦♀️ |
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Post by mimi3566 on Nov 11, 2024 12:13:40 GMT
In my opinion our economy was better during Trump's first term. That economy was the residual effects of Obama’s presidency. What you are experiencing now is the residual effect of Trump’s. Well done. Exactly! |
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Post by mimi3566 on Nov 11, 2024 12:17:03 GMT
my friend who owns a nut farm, went from selling to the chinese at $8 per pound, to only being able to sell domestically for $0.69 a pound (wholesale). they stopped exporting to china. I look at statistics and economists when it comes to judging the economy. the vast numbers of studies and the large number of economists who say this economy is the best it can be right now, and trump's plan will tank it is more believable than any stump speech by someone who knows nothing about economics. when the republicans stop lying I would love to hear how tariffs will help us. good luck They won't help us at all.....tariffs are past on to the consumers at the retail level meaning higher prices for us all. |
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Post by mimi3566 on Nov 11, 2024 12:37:39 GMT
Ok Republicans, I see and hear all the time in the media about how great Trump is and how he keeps his promises and that is why people are excited about him, so I have a question for you. What exactly and specifically are you excited that Trump is going to do? Is it the dismantling of the Education system? Mass deportations? Abortion ban? Put RFK in charge of health? Eliminate ACA? Pulling out of NATO? Tariffs? Eliminating overtime pay? I am seriously asking. Those are the things I heard him say he is going to do, so what are you most excited about? Or is there something else? I've asked these same questions to any of my trump family and friends and the one thing they all seem to have in common is the mass deportations policy he's proposed. They don't seem to care about anything else or say "he's not going to do that". |
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Post by mimi3566 on Nov 11, 2024 13:04:18 GMT
Laurie from what I read about tariffs, they can sometimes be effective if used in a very specific way. But what Trump is proposing is a tariff (from 20% to 1000%, IIRC) on ALL imported goods. He thinks that the companies will pay that tariff without raising prices, which is ludicrous. Even when he was talking at the Chicago Economic Club he told the interviewer that he knew more about tariffs and the economics of them than the expert. How did the tariffs affect your companies prices and/or bottom line? That's just it....the company that is importing their product has to pay the tariff in order for the product to be released at the port, they in turn charge their buyer of that product the increased rate then they in turn increase their rate to the retailer who in turn increases the prices on the shelves....in the end the consumer pays the tariff by way of higher prices at the grocery store, clothing store, etc.... |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 11, 2024 15:09:34 GMT
my friend who owns a nut farm, went from selling to the chinese at $8 per pound, to only being able to sell domestically for $0.69 a pound (wholesale). they stopped exporting to china. I look at statistics and economists when it comes to judging the economy. the vast numbers of studies and the large number of economists who say this economy is the best it can be right now, and trump's plan will tank it is more believable than any stump speech by someone who knows nothing about economics. when the republicans stop lying I would love to hear how tariffs will help us. good luck They won't help us at all.....tariffs are past on to the consumers at the retail level meaning higher prices for us all. Exactly. Plus those tariffs will end up being multiplied several times over by every entity those items pass through. Say an item costs $1 now coming from China or Vietnam or wherever. Then a 50% tariff is added before it can come here to a wholesaler or distributor. Now that item starts out at $1.50 to the wholesaler. They are going to mark it up another percentage, say 25%, because they have to make some money too. The wholesaler sells it to a retailer for $1.95. The retailer is going to mark it up another 100%, so the cost to you, the end consumer is now $3.90. Not one of these middlemen is going to eat that tariff. Every single one is going to pass it along to whoever buys that thing next, and every single one of them is going to also mark it up. Going back to that original $1 item, pre- tariff using this example, would have retailed at $2.50. That extra $1.45 coming out of the consumer’s pocket is the direct result of higher tariffs. I can already hear the moaning that will begin when the Dollar Tree becomes the $5 Tree. Just sayin’. |
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Post by jill8909 on Nov 11, 2024 15:34:01 GMT
I say this with deep sadness as I think the Dems are far from perfect.
I think the only way for the US to finally dump MAGA is for MAGA to do its thing and to inevitably plunge the US into chaos and a depression.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 11, 2024 15:36:21 GMT
They won't help us at all.....tariffs are past on to the consumers at the retail level meaning higher prices for us all. Exactly. Plus those tariffs will end up being multiplied several times over by every entity those items pass through. Say an item costs $1 now coming from China or Vietnam or wherever. Then a 50% tariff is added before it can come here to a wholesaler or distributor. Now that item starts out at $1.50 to the wholesaler. They are going to mark it up another percentage, say 25%, because they have to make some money too. The wholesaler sells it to a retailer for $1.95. The retailer is going to mark it up another 100%, so the cost to you, the end consumer is now $3.90. Not one of these middlemen is going to eat that tariff. Every single one is going to pass it along to whoever buys that thing next, and every single one of them is going to also mark it up. Going back to that original $1 item, pre- tariff using this example, would have retailed at $2.50. That extra $1.45 coming out of the consumer’s pocket is the direct result of higher tariffs. I can already hear the moaning that will begin when the Dollar Tree becomes the $5 Tree. Just sayin’. Who will suffer the most from $5 Dollar Tree prices? Those in food deserts. The great subjects of TFG! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 11, 2024 15:39:50 GMT
Chaos is coming ....
TFG has just named Stephen Miller as WH Deputy Chief of Staff on policy....
Tom Homan(name corrected) will be 2nd in charge of mass deportation... He has already been there with TFG... Solution to prevent family separation particularly with families with citizen children, they must take their children with them out of the country...
There's more coming....
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 11, 2024 15:42:45 GMT
Exactly. Plus those tariffs will end up being multiplied several times over by every entity those items pass through. Say an item costs $1 now coming from China or Vietnam or wherever. Then a 50% tariff is added before it can come here to a wholesaler or distributor. Now that item starts out at $1.50 to the wholesaler. They are going to mark it up another percentage, say 25%, because they have to make some money too. The wholesaler sells it to a retailer for $1.95. The retailer is going to mark it up another 100%, so the cost to you, the end consumer is now $3.90. Not one of these middlemen is going to eat that tariff. Every single one is going to pass it along to whoever buys that thing next, and every single one of them is going to also mark it up. Going back to that original $1 item, pre- tariff using this example, would have retailed at $2.50. That extra $1.45 coming out of the consumer’s pocket is the direct result of higher tariffs. I can already hear the moaning that will begin when the Dollar Tree becomes the $5 Tree. Just sayin’. Who will suffer the most from $5 Dollar Tree prices? Those in food deserts. That great subjects of TFG! I was thinking the exact same thing. In many more rural areas, the only stores left are Walmart way on the outskirts and the dollar stores. And what types of things do those stores primarily sell? Cheap imported goods from everywhere but here. Just one more way the gift of Trump just keeps on giving, and those fools voted for it enthusiastically. Every time I hear a Republican cry more about it from now on, I’m just going to envision slapping one of my imaginary “Trump Did This!” stickers on it. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 11, 2024 15:58:02 GMT
crazy4scraps. I was thinking about food items.. they really could have fed a family for $5, when it was still $1.. Not necessarily the best, but better the fast food.
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Post by Just T on Nov 11, 2024 16:00:42 GMT
Chaos is coming .... TFG has just named Stephen Miller as WH Deputy Chief of Staff on policy.... Tom Holmon will be 2nd in charge of mass deportation... He has already been there with TFG... Solution to prevent family separation particularly with families with citizen children, they must take their children with them out of the country... There's more coming.... Wait a minute! Didn't someone on this very thread, I can't remember who but one of the Republicans, say that Stephen Miller is a wacko has been? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2024 16:02:08 GMT
Chaos is coming .... TFG has just named Stephen Miller as WH Deputy Chief of Staff on policy.... Tom Holmon will be 2nd in charge of mass deportation... He has already been there with TFG... Solution to prevent family separation particularly with families with citizen children, they must take their children with them out of the country... There's more coming.... Wait a minute! Didn't someone on this very thread, I can't remember who but one of the Republicans, say that Stephen Miller is a wacko has been? Rs are going to have to shift quickly from “that won’t happen” claims to “it’s fine if it does happen” claims a lot during this term. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 11, 2024 16:05:55 GMT
Chaos is coming .... TFG has just named Stephen Miller as WH Deputy Chief of Staff on policy.... Tom Holmon will be 2nd in charge of mass deportation... He has already been there with TFG... Solution to prevent family separation particularly with families with citizen children, they must take their children with them out of the country... There's more coming.... Wait. I thought cindosha said he was a has been who hasn’t been in power since 2021? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2024 16:07:01 GMT
 Please cry more about name-calling when this is the sort of rhetoric we deal with every day. Name calling (groomer, indoctrinator, baby-killer, pedophile) and threats of violence from the right are totally fine, I guess. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 11, 2024 16:08:43 GMT
crazy4scraps . I was thinking about food items.. they really could have fed a family for $5, when it was still $1.. Not necessarily the best, but better the fast food. Oh, I agree with that too. The tariffs are going to affect food prices as well. If people think the shrinkflation is bad now, just wait. It isn’t going to be pretty. It’s particularly bad at dollar store type retailers now. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 11, 2024 16:12:36 GMT
Please cry more about name-calling when this is the sort of rhetoric we deal with every day. Name calling (groomer, indoctrinator, baby-killer, pedophile) and threats of violence from the right are totally fine, I guess. How exactly does one tell by looking who is a liberal woman? 🤪 Oh, yeah, we’re the ones not wearing the MAGA hats and shirts. 🙄 |
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Post by hopemax on Nov 11, 2024 16:22:29 GMT
The playbook is for them to shift quickly. Squash the thought of resistance. Give up. Star Trek fans know this as “Resistance is futile.”
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Post by huskergal on Nov 11, 2024 16:25:08 GMT
I don't understand how Republicans don't see Trump as completely different than any other candidate. If you don't think he will do what he says he is gonna do, how do you discern his truths from his lies? Do you laugh when he said vile things about Kamala and wouldn't pronounce her name correctly?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 11, 2024 16:33:59 GMT
I don't understand how Republicans don't see Trump as completely different than any other candidate. If you don't think he will do what he says he is gonna do, how do you discern his truths from his lies? Do you laugh when he said vile things about Kamala and wouldn't pronounce her name correctly? They don't see or hear it on FOX or their other 'news' and other social media outlets... |
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Post by katlady on Nov 11, 2024 16:59:56 GMT
I don't understand how Republicans don't see Trump as completely different than any other candidate. If you don't think he will do what he says he is gonna do, how do you discern his truths from his lies? Do you laugh when he said vile things about Kamala and wouldn't pronounce her name correctly? I asked the same thing somewhere on another thread. What is the secret to telling when Trump is just joking (“Oh, he is not going to do that”) and when we should believe him?? I don’t understand either! |
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Post by Just T on Nov 11, 2024 17:12:15 GMT
Chaos is coming .... TFG has just named Stephen Miller as WH Deputy Chief of Staff on policy.... Tom Holmon will be 2nd in charge of mass deportation... He has already been there with TFG... Solution to prevent family separation particularly with families with citizen children, they must take their children with them out of the country... There's more coming.... Wait. I thought cindosha said he was a has been who hasn’t been in power since 2021? Yes, you are right. That is who said it. |
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Post by gar on Nov 11, 2024 17:18:37 GMT
I don't understand how Republicans don't see Trump as completely different than any other candidate. If you don't think he will do what he says he is gonna do, how do you discern his truths from his lies? Do you laugh when he said vile things about Kamala and wouldn't pronounce her name correctly? I understood much better when I read mom2jnk's post on the thread Why is Half our Population So Broken. Very well explained how it is for some folk at least. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 11, 2024 17:27:56 GMT
Wait. I thought cindosha said he was a has been who hasn’t been in power since 2021? Yes, you are right. That is who said it. I was wrong... |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 11, 2024 17:46:59 GMT
Please cry more about name-calling when this is the sort of rhetoric we deal with every day. Name calling (groomer, indoctrinator, baby-killer, pedophile) and threats of violence from the right are totally fine, I guess. How exactly does one tell by looking who is a liberal woman? 🤪 Oh, yeah, we’re the ones not wearing the MAGA hats and shirts. 🙄 Yea, this liberal bitch will be packing so she won't get past step 1. |
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