breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Nov 10, 2024 15:54:53 GMT
That is even more disturbing that I thought when you see it all in one video like that. That is truly disturbing. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 10, 2024 16:18:14 GMT
That is even more disturbing that I thought when you see it all in one video like that. That is truly disturbing. I don’t know how anyone is ok with this. |
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Post by hopemax on Nov 10, 2024 16:36:12 GMT
I was going to respond to another thread in a silly way, by posting “The Emperor’s New Clothes.” But it turned out the fairytale is probably too long, and it would annoy you guys. I’ll post the part I think is relevant to this thread. But first, Hans Christen Anderson wrote it in 1837. But it’s based on a Spanish fable from 1335. The point being the psychological traits people display to inspire the folks to write the fables are timeless. There is nothing “new” about Trump supporters, although their ranks are higher than at other times. The pendulum will swing back the other way. The proverbial child will speak the truth. **** So the faithful old minister went into the hall, where the knaves were working with all their might, at their empty looms. “What can be the meaning of this?” thought the old man, opening his eyes very wide. “I cannot discover the least bit of thread on the looms.” However, he did not express his thoughts aloud. The impostors requested him very courteously to be so good as to come nearer their looms; and then asked him whether the design pleased him, and whether the colors were not very beautiful; at the same time pointing to the empty frames. The poor old minister looked and looked, he could not discover anything on the looms, for a very good reason, viz: there was nothing there. “What!” thought he again. “Is it possible that I am a simpleton? I have never thought so myself; and no one must know it now if I am so. Can it be, that I am unfit for my office? No, that must not be said either. I will never confess that I could not see the stuff.” “Well, Sir Minister!” said one of the knaves, still pretending to work. “You do not say whether the stuff pleases you.” “Oh, it is excellent!” replied the old minister, looking at the loom through his spectacles. “This pattern, and the colors, yes, I will tell the Emperor without delay, how very beautiful I think them.” “We shall be much obliged to you,” said the impostors, and then they named the different colors and described the pattern of the pretended stuff. The old minister listened attentively to their words, in order that he might repeat them to the Emperor; and then the knaves asked for more silk and gold, saying that it was necessary to complete what they had begun. However, they put all that was given them into their knapsacks; and continued to work with as much apparent diligence as before at their empty looms. If someone wants to read the whole thing. www.owleyes.org/text/andersens-fairy-tales/read/the-emperors-new-clothes |
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2024 16:54:28 GMT
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Post by mom2jnk on Nov 10, 2024 20:44:50 GMT
But I find myself wondering about why is it that T voters seem to lack a moral and ethical center.
I absolutely hear what you are saying and 100% agree with the substance of your post. But the bolded part of your question is troubling to me. I disagree with this statement. I have lost two of my oldest and dearest friends over this mess. I would not say that my lost friends lack a moral and ethical center. I believe that I knew both of their hearts and their ethics and morals very well. I think that they are in a group of so many people who, although they truly feel they are highly moral and ethical, have fallen victim to a combination of things. Organized religion. Both women are deeply involved in our local non-denominational church where all the "pretty, shiny people" of our community attend. They both frequent Bible studies, are church musicians, involved in youth groups, etc. I know that they devote considerable time and effort into cultivating what they feel to be "a moral and ethical center." They were some of the most welcoming, inclusive and caring women in so many ways during the 20+ years of our friendship. But they are now captive within their echo chamber. Their pastors heavily push "Christian" doctrine...hard right wing anti-gay, anti-trans, pro-patriarchy, etc. The "love the sinner" crap. But their entire lives revolve around their church and serving others so they are literally steeped in this every single day. One is willing to go along with T and ignore his multitude of sins to abolish the ultimate sin of abortion. And one is convinced that media has invented all the realities of what a horrible human being T is, because of... Social media isolation and siloed information. During the beginning of the pandemic, everyone in their church and friend groups started using Telegram as their sole communication method ("because it was encrypted, you know, and the government can't spy on us..."). Since then, both of them have told me that Telegram is their sole source of "news" and they do not trust any other news source to provide them with accurate information. Day after day, all they are exposed to are the conspiracy theories and whack-a-doodles. I think this is the biggest issue. They simply exist in a different reality. Willful ignorance and lack of attention and critical thinking skills. Although my entire family are scientists and I am a college level science instructor, neither of them "believes" what I teach and are unwilling to listen to me or learn anything that contradicts with their far right wing sources of information. Neither has any understanding of basic biology, economics, civics, or history and is uninterested in learning them. They think critical thinking skills are also "fake news." TikToks and memes are the source of truth in their media consumption. Despite all of this, I still hesitate to say that they are lacking a moral and ethical center. I honestly think they truly believe they are acting in a moral and ethical manner. I don't think that pointing a finger at them and passing that judgment on any T supporters will gain any of us anything until we tackle the issue of social media, siloed information, and so many people's complete inability to focus on anything longer than sharing a TikTok or a meme. I wish I had an answer. I miss my friends. |
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Post by gar on Nov 10, 2024 20:56:13 GMT
But I find myself wondering about why is it that T voters seem to lack a moral and ethical center.
I absolutely hear what you are saying and 100% agree with the substance of your post. But the bolded part of your question is troubling to me. I disagree with this statement. I have lost two of my oldest and dearest friends over this mess. I would not say that my lost friends lack a moral and ethical center. I believe that I knew both of their hearts and their ethics and morals very well. I think that they are in a group of so many people who, although they truly feel they are highly moral and ethical, have fallen victim to a combination of things. Organized religion. Both women are deeply involved in our local non-denominational church where all the "pretty, shiny people" of our community attend. They both frequent Bible studies, are church musicians, involved in youth groups, etc. I know that they devote considerable time and effort into cultivating what they feel to be "a moral and ethical center." They were some of the most welcoming, inclusive and caring women in so many ways during the 20+ years of our friendship. But they are now captive within their echo chamber. Their pastors heavily push "Christian" doctrine...hard right wing anti-gay, anti-trans, pro-patriarchy, etc. The "love the sinner" crap. But their entire lives revolve around their church and serving others so they are literally steeped in this every single day. One is willing to go along with T and ignore his multitude of sins to abolish the ultimate sin of abortion. And one is convinced that media has invented all the realities of what a horrible human being T is, because of... Social media isolation and siloed information. During the beginning of the pandemic, everyone in their church and friend groups started using Telegram as their sole communication method ("because it was encrypted, you know, and the government can't spy on us..."). Since then, both of them have told me that Telegram is their sole source of "news" and they do not trust any other news source to provide them with accurate information. Day after day, all they are exposed to are the conspiracy theories and whack-a-doodles. I think this is the biggest issue. They simply exist in a different reality. Willful ignorance and lack of attention and critical thinking skills. Although my entire family are scientists and I am a college level science instructor, neither of them "believes" what I teach and are unwilling to listen to me or learn anything that contradicts with their far right wing sources of information. Neither has any understanding of basic biology, economics, civics, or history and is uninterested in learning them. They think critical thinking skills are also "fake news." TikToks and memes are the source of truth in their media consumption. Despite all of this, I still hesitate to say that they are lacking a moral and ethical center. I honestly think they truly believe they are acting in a moral and ethical manner. I don't think that pointing a finger at them and passing that judgment on any T supporters will gain any of us anything until we tackle the issue of social media, siloed information, and so many people's complete inability to focus on anything longer than sharing a TikTok or a meme. I wish I had an answer. I miss my friends. I barely know what to say…tragic and terrifying in equal measure 😔 |
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Post by hopemax on Nov 10, 2024 21:02:59 GMT
But I find myself wondering about why is it that T voters seem to lack a moral and ethical center.
I absolutely hear what you are saying and 100% agree with the substance of your post. But the bolded part of your question is troubling to me. I disagree with this statement. I have lost two of my oldest and dearest friends over this mess. I would not say that my lost friends lack a moral and ethical center. I believe that I knew both of their hearts and their ethics and morals very well. I think that they are in a group of so many people who, although they truly feel they are highly moral and ethical, have fallen victim to a combination of things. Organized religion. Both women are deeply involved in our local non-denominational church where all the "pretty, shiny people" of our community attend. They both frequent Bible studies, are church musicians, involved in youth groups, etc. I know that they devote considerable time and effort into cultivating what they feel to be "a moral and ethical center." They were some of the most welcoming, inclusive and caring women in so many ways during the 20+ years of our friendship. But they are now captive within their echo chamber. Their pastors heavily push "Christian" doctrine...hard right wing anti-gay, anti-trans, pro-patriarchy, etc. The "love the sinner" crap. But their entire lives revolve around their church and serving others so they are literally steeped in this every single day. One is willing to go along with T and ignore his multitude of sins to abolish the ultimate sin of abortion. And one is convinced that media has invented all the realities of what a horrible human being T is, because of... Social media isolation and siloed information. During the beginning of the pandemic, everyone in their church and friend groups started using Telegram as their sole communication method ("because it was encrypted, you know, and the government can't spy on us..."). Since then, both of them have told me that Telegram is their sole source of "news" and they do not trust any other news source to provide them with accurate information. Day after day, all they are exposed to are the conspiracy theories and whack-a-doodles. I think this is the biggest issue. They simply exist in a different reality. Willful ignorance and lack of attention and critical thinking skills. Although my entire family are scientists and I am a college level science instructor, neither of them "believes" what I teach and are unwilling to listen to me or learn anything that contradicts with their far right wing sources of information. Neither has any understanding of basic biology, economics, civics, or history and is uninterested in learning them. They think critical thinking skills are also "fake news." TikToks and memes are the source of truth in their media consumption. Despite all of this, I still hesitate to say that they are lacking a moral and ethical center. I honestly think they truly believe they are acting in a moral and ethical manner. I don't think that pointing a finger at them and passing that judgment on any T supporters will gain any of us anything until we tackle the issue of social media, siloed information, and so many people's complete inability to focus on anything longer than sharing a TikTok or a meme. I wish I had an answer. I miss my friends. This is a very good summary of a lot of the things I see. Lack is the wrong word, miscalibrated is probably better. You can demagnetize a compass and totally lose where North is, while still believing you are going the right direction. |
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Post by cecilia on Nov 10, 2024 21:16:19 GMT
I am terrified I am going to lose disability, Medicare, Medicaid. Trumpers told me that I won't lose it, that he cares about Americans according to one, and that they'll pray for me. For real. (If you are Facebook friends with me, you can still see the post on my page).
They are drinking the fear and religion Kool aid
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 10, 2024 21:19:34 GMT
I heard something this morning that made me think more.
Talking about how people go after those they think are lesser... How they are unable to gather others into their lives..
What I wondered was how they think about their children. If they have one child and then a second, is one of their children a lesser because they cannot gather them in?
Of course not. When the second child comes you open yourself to love and care for the first and second child equally. And as more arrive you can still have room for the next. You don't treat any of your children as a lesser. Each one improves your life
Same way as you meet more people. Every one enhances your life ...
How can they not know that as good christians? Doesn't their religion embrace all as they embrace ALL their children!!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 10, 2024 21:24:32 GMT
But I find myself wondering about why is it that T voters seem to lack a moral and ethical center.
I absolutely hear what you are saying and 100% agree with the substance of your post. But the bolded part of your question is troubling to me. I disagree with this statement. I have lost two of my oldest and dearest friends over this mess. I would not say that my lost friends lack a moral and ethical center. I believe that I knew both of their hearts and their ethics and morals very well. I think that they are in a group of so many people who, although they truly feel they are highly moral and ethical, have fallen victim to a combination of things. Organized religion. Both women are deeply involved in our local non-denominational church where all the "pretty, shiny people" of our community attend. They both frequent Bible studies, are church musicians, involved in youth groups, etc. I know that they devote considerable time and effort into cultivating what they feel to be "a moral and ethical center." They were some of the most welcoming, inclusive and caring women in so many ways during the 20+ years of our friendship. But they are now captive within their echo chamber. Their pastors heavily push "Christian" doctrine...hard right wing anti-gay, anti-trans, pro-patriarchy, etc. The "love the sinner" crap. But their entire lives revolve around their church and serving others so they are literally steeped in this every single day. One is willing to go along with T and ignore his multitude of sins to abolish the ultimate sin of abortion. And one is convinced that media has invented all the realities of what a horrible human being T is, because of... Social media isolation and siloed information. During the beginning of the pandemic, everyone in their church and friend groups started using Telegram as their sole communication method ("because it was encrypted, you know, and the government can't spy on us..."). Since then, both of them have told me that Telegram is their sole source of "news" and they do not trust any other news source to provide them with accurate information. Day after day, all they are exposed to are the conspiracy theories and whack-a-doodles. I think this is the biggest issue. They simply exist in a different reality. Willful ignorance and lack of attention and critical thinking skills. Although my entire family are scientists and I am a college level science instructor, neither of them "believes" what I teach and are unwilling to listen to me or learn anything that contradicts with their far right wing sources of information. Neither has any understanding of basic biology, economics, civics, or history and is uninterested in learning them. They think critical thinking skills are also "fake news." TikToks and memes are the source of truth in their media consumption. Despite all of this, I still hesitate to say that they are lacking a moral and ethical center. I honestly think they truly believe they are acting in a moral and ethical manner. I don't think that pointing a finger at them and passing that judgment on any T supporters will gain any of us anything until we tackle the issue of social media, siloed information, and so many people's complete inability to focus on anything longer than sharing a TikTok or a meme. I wish I had an answer. I miss my friends. This is where I really struggle. Friends and family that in all other ways are perfectly nice people but they completely ignore or overlook all of the things that Trump has said and done that hurt people, are a threat to the country, and show that he is not fit to lead in a positive way. Not a single one has acknowledged that he has said racist things and that some of his policies are steeped in racism and sexism. They may say, "I wish he wouldn't say the things he does" but that is it. I have to think that they hear/see these things and it doesn't register to them that they are racist because they think the same way. And that is why it is hard to continue to be friends or cultivate relationships with people who are Trump supporters. Someone posted an article yesterday that really resonated with me and I think is in line with what you are thinking and seeing. It talked about the media and messaging that people are exposed to. Of course the Republicans on the thread disagreed and said it was a load of BS. I don't know how things will every change if people can't engage in some introspection. It truly is like a cult, IMO. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 10, 2024 21:50:58 GMT
I live in a rural red state. The way I see things is less students are going to college/vocational school after HS. This is unfortunate because they don't ever leave their backyards and meet "different people" and see a little bit of somewhere new. Also, I feel way too many people get their news from podcasts and Tik Tok (both opinion based in nature) as well as FOX which is truly not news. These low informed/educated young people grow up and never evolve their perception of the world. They can't see how the world is connected. Rural America survives on government programs aka socialism to everyone else, but consistently votes against their own best interests. My favorite saying is "You can't fix stupid!" It applies to a lot of my world.  They can at least grow some vegetables. I have no yard! They might well have cost me my SSA check, Medicare et al. Fortunately it will not be a total disaster for me!! |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2024 22:31:34 GMT
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 10, 2024 22:41:16 GMT
I live in a rural red state. The way I see things is less students are going to college/vocational school after HS. This is unfortunate because they don't ever leave their backyards and meet "different people" and see a little bit of somewhere new. Also, I feel way too many people get their news from podcasts and Tik Tok (both opinion based in nature) as well as FOX which is truly not news. These low informed/educated young people grow up and never evolve their perception of the world. They can't see how the world is connected. Rural America survives on government programs aka socialism to everyone else, but consistently votes against their own best interests. My favorite saying is "You can't fix stupid!" It applies to a lot of my world. They can at least grow some vegetables. I have no yard! They might well have cost me my SSA check, Medicare et al. Fortunately it will not be a total disaster for me!! My mother, who has no savings and doesn’t own a home and has zero assets, seems to have voted for him. When my father was in hospice, I took on extra teaching to pay for his care, which I was able to do because it was for a few months. Kamala Harris of course had a proposal to help bridge the gaps in elder care. This administration is instead going to be rolling up support programs. I am wondering what exactly my mother thinks her situation is going to be. I don’t have $100,000 a year to pay for a nursing home when that time comes, and given that my mother seems to have signs of dementia, it’s going to happen. For her sake I hope the support programs don’t run out on her during the time she needs them. I have five kids still to put through college. I want to help, but I won’t be able to pay for years of care for her. I cannot figure out why she did this (she has never in my entire life voted for a Republican; she does seem to have gone down the Fox News well). |
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Post by mom2jnk on Nov 10, 2024 23:10:45 GMT
I absolutely hear what you are saying and 100% agree with the substance of your post. But the bolded part of your question is troubling to me. I disagree with this statement. I have lost two of my oldest and dearest friends over this mess. I would not say that my lost friends lack a moral and ethical center. I believe that I knew both of their hearts and their ethics and morals very well. I think that they are in a group of so many people who, although they truly feel they are highly moral and ethical, have fallen victim to a combination of things. Organized religion. Both women are deeply involved in our local non-denominational church where all the "pretty, shiny people" of our community attend. They both frequent Bible studies, are church musicians, involved in youth groups, etc. I know that they devote considerable time and effort into cultivating what they feel to be "a moral and ethical center." They were some of the most welcoming, inclusive and caring women in so many ways during the 20+ years of our friendship. But they are now captive within their echo chamber. Their pastors heavily push "Christian" doctrine...hard right wing anti-gay, anti-trans, pro-patriarchy, etc. The "love the sinner" crap. But their entire lives revolve around their church and serving others so they are literally steeped in this every single day. One is willing to go along with T and ignore his multitude of sins to abolish the ultimate sin of abortion. And one is convinced that media has invented all the realities of what a horrible human being T is, because of... Social media isolation and siloed information. During the beginning of the pandemic, everyone in their church and friend groups started using Telegram as their sole communication method ("because it was encrypted, you know, and the government can't spy on us..."). Since then, both of them have told me that Telegram is their sole source of "news" and they do not trust any other news source to provide them with accurate information. Day after day, all they are exposed to are the conspiracy theories and whack-a-doodles. I think this is the biggest issue. They simply exist in a different reality. Willful ignorance and lack of attention and critical thinking skills. Although my entire family are scientists and I am a college level science instructor, neither of them "believes" what I teach and are unwilling to listen to me or learn anything that contradicts with their far right wing sources of information. Neither has any understanding of basic biology, economics, civics, or history and is uninterested in learning them. They think critical thinking skills are also "fake news." TikToks and memes are the source of truth in their media consumption. Despite all of this, I still hesitate to say that they are lacking a moral and ethical center. I honestly think they truly believe they are acting in a moral and ethical manner. I don't think that pointing a finger at them and passing that judgment on any T supporters will gain any of us anything until we tackle the issue of social media, siloed information, and so many people's complete inability to focus on anything longer than sharing a TikTok or a meme. I wish I had an answer. I miss my friends. This is a very good summary of a lot of the things I see. Lack is the wrong word, miscalibrated is probably better. You can demagnetize a compass and totally lose where North is, while still believing you are going the right direction. YES! That's exactly what I was trying to say. What a fantastic analogy, thank you! |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 11, 2024 2:12:11 GMT
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 11, 2024 2:20:16 GMT
BRAVO!!! That guy totally nailed it. |
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Post by peano on Nov 11, 2024 6:36:40 GMT
But I find myself wondering about why is it that T voters seem to lack a moral and ethical center.
I absolutely hear what you are saying and 100% agree with the substance of your post. But the bolded part of your question is troubling to me. I disagree with this statement. I have lost two of my oldest and dearest friends over this mess. I would not say that my lost friends lack a moral and ethical center. I believe that I knew both of their hearts and their ethics and morals very well. I think that they are in a group of so many people who, although they truly feel they are highly moral and ethical, have fallen victim to a combination of things. Organized religion. Both women are deeply involved in our local non-denominational church where all the "pretty, shiny people" of our community attend. They both frequent Bible studies, are church musicians, involved in youth groups, etc. I know that they devote considerable time and effort into cultivating what they feel to be "a moral and ethical center." They were some of the most welcoming, inclusive and caring women in so many ways during the 20+ years of our friendship. But they are now captive within their echo chamber. Their pastors heavily push "Christian" doctrine...hard right wing anti-gay, anti-trans, pro-patriarchy, etc. The "love the sinner" crap. But their entire lives revolve around their church and serving others so they are literally steeped in this every single day. One is willing to go along with T and ignore his multitude of sins to abolish the ultimate sin of abortion. And one is convinced that media has invented all the realities of what a horrible human being T is, because of... Social media isolation and siloed information. During the beginning of the pandemic, everyone in their church and friend groups started using Telegram as their sole communication method ("because it was encrypted, you know, and the government can't spy on us..."). Since then, both of them have told me that Telegram is their sole source of "news" and they do not trust any other news source to provide them with accurate information. Day after day, all they are exposed to are the conspiracy theories and whack-a-doodles. I think this is the biggest issue. They simply exist in a different reality. Willful ignorance and lack of attention and critical thinking skills. Although my entire family are scientists and I am a college level science instructor, neither of them "believes" what I teach and are unwilling to listen to me or learn anything that contradicts with their far right wing sources of information. Neither has any understanding of basic biology, economics, civics, or history and is uninterested in learning them. They think critical thinking skills are also "fake news." TikToks and memes are the source of truth in their media consumption. Despite all of this, I still hesitate to say that they are lacking a moral and ethical center. I honestly think they truly believe they are acting in a moral and ethical manner. I don't think that pointing a finger at them and passing that judgment on any T supporters will gain any of us anything until we tackle the issue of social media, siloed information, and so many people's complete inability to focus on anything longer than sharing a TikTok or a meme. I wish I had an answer. I miss my friends. , I appreciate your thoughtful response to my post. And I know what it's like to have an old friendship changed forever. Although I don't think I've completely lost my friendship with my oldest friend, it's been frosty ever since I cut her off from telling me what the pastor of her church thinks about same-sex relationships by saying I think religion needs to stay out of people's bedrooms. Her strategy is to stay oblivious to what's going on politically, so she doesn't have to deal with the disconnect between the teaching of Jesus and, for example, T's plans to deport millions of people, a plan for which I'm sure Jesus would not be pleased. So I do get what you're saying. Due to some tragic life circumstances, my friend and her family have opted to become steeped in fundamentalism. I went to church with her and her family many times as a child, and can attest that this church was quite on the liberal spectrum, especially compared to the ones common in my Arkansas hometown. I was raised a Jew, and it's my impression that for many Christian denominations, it's "sinful" to disagree with or challenge church teaching. I haven't had this experience with Judaism; we are conditioned to question things, and we are debaters. So I agree fear can be a major inhibitor. This is definitely something I need to do more thinking and reading about. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2024 9:57:11 GMT
I absolutely hear what you are saying and 100% agree with the substance of your post. But the bolded part of your question is troubling to me. I disagree with this statement. I have lost two of my oldest and dearest friends over this mess. I would not say that my lost friends lack a moral and ethical center. I believe that I knew both of their hearts and their ethics and morals very well. I think that they are in a group of so many people who, although they truly feel they are highly moral and ethical, have fallen victim to a combination of things. Organized religion. Both women are deeply involved in our local non-denominational church where all the "pretty, shiny people" of our community attend. They both frequent Bible studies, are church musicians, involved in youth groups, etc. I know that they devote considerable time and effort into cultivating what they feel to be "a moral and ethical center." They were some of the most welcoming, inclusive and caring women in so many ways during the 20+ years of our friendship. But they are now captive within their echo chamber. Their pastors heavily push "Christian" doctrine...hard right wing anti-gay, anti-trans, pro-patriarchy, etc. The "love the sinner" crap. But their entire lives revolve around their church and serving others so they are literally steeped in this every single day. One is willing to go along with T and ignore his multitude of sins to abolish the ultimate sin of abortion. And one is convinced that media has invented all the realities of what a horrible human being T is, because of... Social media isolation and siloed information. During the beginning of the pandemic, everyone in their church and friend groups started using Telegram as their sole communication method ("because it was encrypted, you know, and the government can't spy on us..."). Since then, both of them have told me that Telegram is their sole source of "news" and they do not trust any other news source to provide them with accurate information. Day after day, all they are exposed to are the conspiracy theories and whack-a-doodles. I think this is the biggest issue. They simply exist in a different reality. Willful ignorance and lack of attention and critical thinking skills. Although my entire family are scientists and I am a college level science instructor, neither of them "believes" what I teach and are unwilling to listen to me or learn anything that contradicts with their far right wing sources of information. Neither has any understanding of basic biology, economics, civics, or history and is uninterested in learning them. They think critical thinking skills are also "fake news." TikToks and memes are the source of truth in their media consumption. Despite all of this, I still hesitate to say that they are lacking a moral and ethical center. I honestly think they truly believe they are acting in a moral and ethical manner. I don't think that pointing a finger at them and passing that judgment on any T supporters will gain any of us anything until we tackle the issue of social media, siloed information, and so many people's complete inability to focus on anything longer than sharing a TikTok or a meme. I wish I had an answer. I miss my friends. This is a very good summary of a lot of the things I see. Lack is the wrong word, miscalibrated is probably better. You can demagnetize a compass and totally lose where North is, while still believing you are going the right direction. My take is that those people are often more committed to the outward appearance of having a moral and ethical compass than with going to the bother of actually having one. They let their church tell them what to think and substitute that for any difficult moral grappling of their own. The thought is that if the church says it, it must be good. |
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